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Which nights exactly did you scan Cinn and Archer? From the order you named them, I'm guessing Cinn N3 and Archer N4, but want to make sure.

Just to clarify my vote. It wasn't so much that I was sure on Archer. It was more to see what happened with the wagon. Like who might follow on now that it was a possible wagon or what would happen with counter wagons. The PM info I wanted more to find out who might be a villager if Archer ended up being Elim. EDIT: Okay, I'm back to thinking Archer must be V. I think Cinn is V. And didn't like Dannex's comments when placing that vote on Archer. So going with a vote on Dannex for now. Probably also gives the most info going forward. Dannex

Hmmmm, does that mean Archer protected Cinn? I need to head out soon and won't be around for a while, possibly not until tomorrow.

Yeah, I had been wondering about this. I know that things are a little more lenient as far as talking about RL here, but wasn't sure about this. Is there a reason you are mentioning this now? Does that help with figuring out Elim comp? I think someone previously mentioned something of the sort. I think my role is useless at this point, but I guess still going to submit an action.

Because they helped vote out Archivist when we would have otherwise lost the game if there was another V execution. Which should have been possible if they piled onto another existing wagon. Unless all the existing wagons were Elim I guess.

I was kind of assuming that if he were E, he would have known better that it wasn't tied actually. I'd think he'd have his partners telling him if he himself were confused. EDIT 1: I don't think anyone has him lock village. He's been staying in PoEs. And you are right, that looks bad and like a possible attempt to save Archivist if you are V. And I do still think you and Dannex aren't E-E. EDIT 2: Man, is the team coming down to basically Dannex-TUN-Bookwyrm?

Unless the person he thought they were tied with is also Elim EDIT 1: Though thinking that through again, I suppose he should have just took a stand on one and bussed them. Nevermind. EDIT 2: Actually that does bring up a good point about Mat's vote, which he left on Silver. If Mat is E, he would probably have went on Archivist as well since he was going down already. Even if Archer is V, Mat wouldn't risk a tie to attempt a 50-50 shot at saving Archivist because it would look bad if the random went to Archer and he flipped V. EDIT 3: Okay, so if I were to assume Mat is V, I get down to these teams. Archer-TUN-Bookwyrm Dannex-TUN-Bookwyrm

That's extremely clever

Ummm, you can see people at the bottom, can't you? I didn't feel the need to insert any useless comments into the mix.

So you don't think there were really any experienced players from the start? Who would you say was leading this team primarily?

Weren't where? You mean EoD? Yeah, I was there and watching what was unfolding, but thought my vote on Archer was fine to stay there.

I think so. Originally my gut feel was that he was Villager. But as I was looking at really who was left and what the team would have to have, I guess I kind of start seeing him as Elim. I think he fits with either Archer or Dannex. And I particularly started seeing his comments about Archer as being distancing if Archer is Elim.

Well, going from the team comp I had earlier and taking out Archivist, I guess I would have the following: Archer/Dannex Mat/Shining TUN/Silvereye/Bookwyrm But then considering this last vote, if I decide to remove Shining and Silvereye I would get this: Archer/Dannex Mat TUN/Bookwyrm And that seems possible to me

Oh true, I need to be reading these quotes more carefully. Haha

Oh wait, I missed that part of the context. Hmm, I agree that sort of lessens that theory. Though interesting that they did pretty much Elim lean all 3 of you instead of removing at least one person from consideration.

Think this is a point for Mat IMO Point for Mat which way? This actually looks bad for Mat since both the others flipped Villager. When an Elim presents a list with 3 people, usually 1 of 3 is a partner.

Nice job, Illwei! That felt like a random guess, but at least it worked.

Sounds like someone didn't get enough Halloween candy

You know, you are absolutely right. I don't really do this enough myself in FM and really shouldn't. Looking at team comp. I guess if I were to take a shot at it, I would see something like this. 1 of Archer/Dannex 1 of Mat/Shining 1-2 of TUN/Aspiring/Silvereye/Bookwyrm I could actually see Archer and Mat being E-E. The way Mat talks about Archer could easily be distancing to keep at least one of them alive to the end.

Oh, okay. What do you think of the interaction between Archer and Dannex though?

But how does that remove him from being Elim, where he can be wrong intentionally? Or are you saying you find that he is usually right as Elim?

Thanks for this! I was wondering about the current vc. Archer I want to see what happens with the Archer wagon. Logically I should probably vote for Bookwyrm, which is maybe where I'll go later. But I'm curious about this.

You can add me as a Pinch-Hitter for now. I might sign up later, but need to see how schedules go for games on another site.

Actually yeah, I think Archer's statements against Dannex are too strong. I could see him saying he disagrees with him about where to focus, but to call them logical fallacies is kind of weird. I am kind of getting a bad feeling about Archer. And I'd really like to hear more from Cinn about the conversations with Archer about the target.

Well, I can kind of see Archer's point in that there definitely has to be someone from the experienced pool with how things are going. There could be one from the inexperienced pool, but not necessarily. It just seems likely statistically. And maybe it should theoretically be easier to find the experienced one because there's more to go off? Yet I can't help thinking that making a mistake there and removing experienced town members more quickly is going to be a problem. The Elims are going to be taking away from that pool, too, like they have.