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I suppose but then what’s lift do? I think her plans extend farther.

Shards cannot tile travel to the past because that’s impossible but time travel to the future should be, and also they probably cannot do that because they are entities that must be present in the cosmere they can’t just blip out and appear later. I don’t see why shards would lack the power to create black holes it’s just why woudl they ever do that? Every time shards have fought there isn’t a reason to do that. with ruin he was imprisoned and he had an easier way to do it. Black hole creation should be possible but it wouldn’t be easy. odium also trapped doing that wouldn’t release him. these are the only real shard vs shard conflicts we have directly seen, there has never been an instant where they would need to do so it want to. If adonalsium created everything black holes should be comparatively easy a single shard doing so would likely take immense effort but they should be able to. plus even with expanded minds shards don’t know everything it’s possible these are abilities they never explored

Because it makes sense that if honor helped create the surges that honor is the binding force plus honor literally Is a god of paths and bonds dominion, sevotion snd odium make even less sense for codifying the forces. yeah adhesion just seems so not great for windrunners and so insane for bondsmith a it can’t be not nerfed I disagree I think if windrunners could access the spiritual realm with adhesion they would likely be able to make a much steadier stream of stormlight I do not think that they would be able to make a perpendicularity or give it to other people but I think they could pull it straight to themselves with some kind of spiritual lashing. but if adhesion has a spiritual side then it would make sense they all do. Like time seems to be a function of gravitation snd/or progression and/or transformation which seems like it would be spiritual not physical. And the idea that people are just drawn to kaladin and other windrunners seems to me like it woudl make a Lot of sense as a weak spiritual gravitation perk. im pretty sure the bondsmith resonance is actually the ability to synergize with other orders like when shallan and dalinar create the map. the fact that Ishar is displaying this ability to me lends credence to the idea in my mind that kaladin either becomes a bondsmith and this is a echo from this future or that windrunners are unlocking spiritual adhesion and kaladin. Connect himself to the cognitive realm. i also do not think having a hybrid lashing means windrunners weren’t supposed to have spiritual adhesion because unless that’s a fifth ideal thing they definitely don’t rn. the shardplate thing I think is new because it was lent shown in the visions. Yeah I suspected time travel to the past would be off limits but I bet windrunners could pull themselves to the future this way or manipulate fate somehow like I suggested. However I think the problem here is they would have no way of seeing what’s coming but I think like a windrunner completely unchained working sith day renarin could accomplish some stuff.

Yeah I May be crazy but I feel like there is a big reason the only surge that can use its spiritual aspect to a reasonable degree is adhesion and that windrunners they should be insanely strong. Stuff like black wholes and creating planets and manipulating connection pulling energy directly from the spiritual seem like things they should be able to do, in fact they can pull directly from the spiritual realm since they do taht when they swear oaths. So like these abilities like time travel or fate control or making black holes should take so much stormlight it’s stupid windrunners unrestricted may just be able to grab it from the spiritual realm, in fact they should be better at it then bondsmiths since gravitation should eat them create vortex’s to pull it form the spiritual. Maybe they could suck investiture from others?

So it seems honor restricted the surges in some way to prevent what happened to ashyn and seemingly something stoneshaping did to yolen from happening again. This raises a few questions the most pressing of which are 1. what restrictions it appears we know for certain that bondsmith are restricted and so are stonewards and willshapers because according to khriss their version is less destructive then what was on yolen it also seems that the most limited surge is adhesion because adhesion seems to be the surge taht bound and codifies all the others it’s what connects every other surge into a cohesive whole. and I think the restrictions really applied to the spiritual forms of everything, there is only a single order that seems to have access to the spiritual side of their powers in any major way. Windrunners kinda draws people to follow them and Lightweavers kinda change people’s perception and can transform them I guess but these are still very limited and it seems like these have been super restricted. 2. are those restrictions falling away this one is a clear yes we know this for a fact but what exactly does this mean? it means that surgebinding will likely Become stronger and new abilities will be accessed this may be happening already through kaladin who displays never mentioned or seen shardplate abilities alongside abilities that even his spren does not understand which should not happen. 3. Do these restrictions apply cosmere wide? We don’t know about this but probably yes honor seems to be the force that codifys all forces in the universe and when it was part of adonalsium the part that is now honor was still always what was doing that. So likely I think it would restrict everything in some way. the fact that all illusion magic mirrors light weaving seems to suggest this too. - everything after this is just my crackpot theories about isnane windrunner abilities because they are probably restricted for a reason so who will be most affected probably windrunners and bondsmiths adhesion seems to have likely been dampened more then any other surge because of its odd interaction with other things and insane power level. We know this is happening with bondsmiths reacessing insane abilities and we may have seen kaladin do the same for example the parting of a high storm is clearly not something that normally windrunners should be empowered to do. In fact windrunners may now be capable of things in the realm of the creation of black holes and generating infinite storm light, I think a windrunner could use adhesion to connect themselves to the spiritual realm directly like a bondsmith and draw investiture out and I think we have seen this before. In the duel in WoR kaladin displays a thing described very similarly to atium which could result from him using adhesion to connect to the spiritual realm. In fact if the restrictions fall apart completely could windrunners gain access to spiritual gravitation and adhesion because maybe windrunners aren’t allowed either of those since sky breaker do not have spiritual gravitation and the extent of it for windrunners seems to be a leadership buff basically drawing poeple to them. What if windrunners completely unchained could do isnane things like Windrunners most insane theoretical power time travel or timeline manipulation, like imagine using spiritual gravitation to pull things like events to yourself and attach them with spiritual adhesion imagine a bondsmith and windrunner totally unbound and the windrunner could maybe create connections like forcibly attract these threads dalinar sees and forge connections the bondsmith can exploit. Or like imagine if you could pull the spiritual realm in a certain way like imagine since everything exists there at once you say went in and create a let’s call it spiritual lashing and then connected it to the formation of the path pact and pulled yourself to that moment through the spiritual realm or do something like pull yourself to the moment of odium defeat in the future which would be much easier since it’s possible in real life through near light speed travel or you could maybe take go in and like make something happen faster or make it inevitable like say you know ___ villain will die and you use spiritual gravitation to pull the moment of their death closer or pull yourself to it or maybe it’s not certain so you like pull them to a moment where they can die and bind them spiritually to make sure they do. The problem with this is windrunners wouldn’t know what exactly they are manipulating but combined with say renarin this could be incredibly powerful. Like what is spiritual gravitation if not time or at least part of it right, like a surge diner with spiritual progression and gravitation maybe could just control time. i think I’m losing it.

Yeah but this was a theoretical conversation before this was happening. that’s true I bet it would take time but it should happen if the current course continues. I doubt we will see them now but eventually it seems possible since there are odd unique spren, it seem possible that kaladin-spren or a kaladin spren could come into being. Yes basically that the cult around him and what he represents could result in a type of spren that is if not related to him at lea at inspired by him. yeah seons being love spren seems close and yeah the yellow odium ones being hate spren makes a lot of sense too. ok good suggestion that's true but it could also be about this didn’t think about that angle though. but it’s all like if kelsier existed in roshar survivorism should have spren of some type like survival spren

Yeah I meant that the atium like ability is probably related to the breakdown of bonds

Maybe the bind shard enabled them to acess other op surges or yeah they could have create a fusion process and destroyed the planet. yeah but it seems like too interesting an oversight and with the cult following kaladin is creating there probably should be now or in the future spren of him or related to or created because of him. Like if kelsier existed in roshar survivorism should have spren of some type like survival spren

Yeah but does that mean maybe like they are discussing in the podcast the unchaining of powers is allowing radiants to have fused like internal abilities does kaladins weird atium thing happen because he used adhesion internally to connect directly to the spiritual realm? exactly it seems so intuitive but it doesn’t exist and there are weird forshadowing moments I made a new post to talk about it because I wanna see what people think about it

After the end of rythm of war and even before that kaladin was developing what really can only be called a cult following. I’ve seen some people refer to it as the cult of stormblessed and I’ve started thinking will kaladin get spren? An interesting thing I realized looking through spren lists is there is no determination spren or perseverance spren. There are gloom spren and logic spren but no determination spren? That seems weird to me. Especially when coupled with what happens in rythm of war, during the book we see the cult following around kaladin expand into soemthing that is highly reminiscent of the way kelsiers religion formed. on top of the fact that I think there is subtle foreshadowing that this may happen for example syl has a conversation with kaladin about having or adopting baby spren and raising them like her kids and teaching them to annoy kaladin. These kinds of conversations are not the kind of things that happen in Sanderson books for no reason. This was specifically included, and while syl seemed to be talking about adopting a group of wind spren it could apply to spren that come into being because of kaladin because they would kinda be her kids too since their souls are connected. Like if kelsier existed in roshar survivorism should have spren of some type like survival spren

So apparently the surges can change slightly on perception but generally they will manifest similarly and he has rfao’d wether it’s adonalsium or honor that kinda caused it to form this way. But maybe what happened is honor limited the surges for the purposes of surgebinding in the rosharan system this is what’s gonna probably prevent insane abilities like a windrunner creating a black whole. I think it makes a lot of sense that honor is the manifestation of bounds and so that even when it was big a setting the rules the codification of that was always part of honor. Even the sibling says honors truest surge is adhesion and it behaves weird. Bondsmiths existed and were named apparently a while before everything else. Which I think suggests to me that this power comes from somewhere and since bondsmith a have also supposedly destroyed by a dawnshard. I think maybe the dawnshard of binding is super unlimited bondmsithing and destroyed this stuff but what we have is a restricted copy? Yeah this is also when is eyes begin to glow slightly yellow in a way Venli described as like a fused mare you saying that maybe kaladins psuedo atium and superspeed abilities could be the result of fused like abilities one maybe explicitly from odium and the other is maybe him manipulating connection within himself like internal surgebinding like the fused? Maybe kaladin is becoming like an honor fused? Side tangent are kaladin spren a thing? Or like determination spren maybe those will begin to exist and will look like a shash glyph maybe? Idk

Thanks for the video, it may help support my points, I do think it’s possible though that all of the four shards under this unite or bind dawnshard have adhesion having been made from the same weird dawnshard

He was not using any lashings we would have seen it and gravitation was not working that was supernatural speed

He may or may not have been void-binding but the speed described is certainly supernatural, he had been described to be fast but this and just the way it plays out makes it seem not normal even for him. He has is moving so fast that a person who must have killed some of the greatest champions humanity on roshar has ever known wihthout that person cannot react in any way except to run away. Yes he is often described this way but his speed has never been as impressive before when we really think about the situation here. In other situations he has been fast but not so fast that others couldn’t react and those were people of a much lower caliber then the pursuer who is probably one of the most dangerous fused fighters we see and he dispatched him so easily and so quickly lezian could do nothing all while kaladin was severely off balanced.

Yeah but When I say more honor I mean Relstively more honor then I do like you think honor is involved in a higher percentage of the thing then me not that it’s more honor then cultivation.

Yeah idk what she would know about voidbinding. yeah idk how fabriels are ten based maybe gems or something idk. yeah I agree with that assessment I can see why you woudl think it’s more honor but I don’t feel like it seems that honor related. yeah I’m trying to figure out the most information or come up with the best theory with the fewest possible assumptions. These aren’t gonna be perfect but I think I can at least hit the edge of the target doing this.

No by itself the one dawnshard that has been shown granted that we know that one dawnshard is certainly different form the others. We also know a dawnshard appears to have helped destroy ashyn and that bondsmith were also involved it would make sense if they gained this through a dawnshard since adhesion comes from honor. Which makes this leaky the different one. no other windrunners have shown acess to spiritual adhesion so it seems likely that it’s a weird kaladin thing. Because we know he is special independent of his radiant ness because son of tanavast. That is true so any special adhesion things are different it’s also possible this is the rosharan philosophy of adhesion more then it’s application because seemingly only kaladin in thousands of years has used it this way. when he is standing over texts body and lezian attacks him he jumps into the air and proceeds to move so quickly that the people around him struggle to follow the movements. This is an anomalous amount of speed which he has never previously displayed he has always been fast but this is described supernaturally fast. Ok so old magic is more like what he said earlier and should be off to the side.

That true the fused and voidbinding are weird. But what renarin does if it’s close to voidbinding the surges must still act similarly. But also what does khriss know of voidbinding considering how rare and unexplored it appears to be that’s fair but I think it would be possible to go really deep and identify what each is. I can see why you would disagree but I can’t really think of a way to come up with anything other then we have no clue without assuming something. that’s true I didn’t think of that, but I think maybe that goes back to the surgebinding being stronger the yolish Lightweaving seems much weaker because I think they don’t make a trade off like I said about the oaths it makes sense to me that it’s weak because they haven’t made the trade off of oaths that limit them as well. Sanderson magic systems that tend to have more limitations tend to be stronger normally which is why I think radiants are probably the strongest surgebinding form we will see because the oaths are such a huge limiting factor that radiants get more power for this limitation which could be why yolish light weaving seems way worse then rosharan Lightweaving. But this doesn’t work. I think hoid uses these aids because the illusions aren’t enough to get the visual across. yeah we don’t know anything about the old magic but roshar is supposed to have 3 Magic’s so the third is either fabriels or the old magic. I would agree in the sense that anything happening on a planet where two shards have been cooperating for so long has something to do with both of them always in some sense but I think it’s mostly cultivation.

True but it’s a fairly solid connection in a area of theories where the only concrete info is “there are 4 dawnshards” “hoid had a dawnshard” “one is change” and “they were used to create the cosmere” thats fair but I think the parallels will be fairly tight for surgebinding. I think the big difference may be that surgebinding roshar may be stronger because of the limitations like is suggested here. That could be way rosharan system surgebinding can destroy worlds as well. Possible true i agree they probably aren’t 100% right but to arrive at any conclusions I’ve got to assume something and this is what I’m assuming is the case since it’s the smallest leap maybe but they always trick me as more of a cultivation thing im saying that everything we have seen suggest it to be fundamental on roshar and it would be weird for one planet to have different fundamental laws well the theee magic systems names are voidbinding, surgebinding/radiants and the old magic I think so we know nothing about void binding except it comes form the unmade and is probably what renarin is doing. The old magic is whatever cultivation and presumably lift does. fused I’m not really sure they seem weird they don’t fit with the voidbinding chart but that could just be totally bogus and they are the only void surge users we see so I guess they are void binders it seems weird that we wouldn’t have it at this point but if they aren’t voidbidners renarin is probably the wonky example of one we have. Unless this is a possibility taravodium will relate void binding and it isn’t already a thing maybe or odium scrapped it and he will bring it back. yeah I’ve had some weirder ones too my running theories to explain kaladins weirdness are 1. Dawnshard that binds 2. splinter of honor 3. connection feedback loop because he becomes a bondsmith or honor or another shard probably valor or soemthing else later and this is residue form that leaking back in time through the spiritual realm.

I stand corrected on that point then. that still does not seem to fit what is going on maybe but we also have references to a dawnshard destroying ashyn and bondmsithing/surgebinding doing it so it seems very possible that the dawnshard grants bondsmithing abilities. that’s possible but granted that it’s yolen I am more inclined to believe they had surgebinding since it’s the strongest magic system we have yet to see in the cosmere. yeah my crackpot rn is that this is dawnshard peers but I think it is far more likely that this and other odd powers are a connection feedback loop like I said earlier that fits a bit more though dawnshard maybe explains some of the son of tanavast more. But i think it’s far more likely that kaladin had these weird powers because he becomes s bondsmith or a shard or splinter of honor or whatever and because of this he has residual effects of that power already. potentially but once again we have to assume some things to begin to even theorize at all and this is one thing I think we need to take for granted, but I think it should also be pointed out singer forms are likely to be from cultivation and because fused have special forms they probably have some amount of cultivation going on still meaning that may be why they have progression. yeah I don’t either but my point is it’s a lot less of a leap to believe that the fused are right for the purposes of theorizing then go unity and survive are dawnshards cause they whisper like change did. But because we more or less have to take a leap somewhere to get to any conclusion other then we just have no clue I think that believing the fused is the shortest of the leaps or least improbable assumption to get some answers. I do think the surges are the fundamental laws though, we have never seen surgebinding on another planet, and we have never heard of it except for the implication of it being present on yolen. At the moment we have seen every surge behaving relatively the same across what seems to be 3 magic systems with each having a cognitive, spiritual and physical aspect. Our only outlier appears to be renarin but his illumination surge Fitz pretty well with what spiritual illumination might look like. I think the surges are the fundamental laws of the universe or at the very least we can assume that because it fits what we have seen. Adhesion is weird though and I think is what binds the other laws together. Like when the fused say cultivation to make it nature and honor to bind it into law I think adhesion is the way possibly not honor but adonalsoum bound it into law.

Scadrial is a special case they are complete opposites, but he still managed to do it I think it wouldn’t be very difficult for him to eliminate splinters of A shard, autonomy has more secondary forces then odium but odiuks are of a far higher quality as well.

It’s likely that progression is closer to cultivation and that plus her life light worked together to help. no we can’t take their word 100% but if we are to get anywhere in theorizing about something we know basically nothing about we have to make a few leaps to get there accepting what the fused say is one of the leaps that is the shortest it’s for more likely they are right then that survive and unity are dawnshards because people heard those whispers and someone declared themselves unity for example. (Note that dalinar really could be this bind dawnshard though and if he is he took it up in oathbringer when he was surrounded in the column of golden light(like Rysn with the gold light)) yes but if those were normal abilities syl would understand them every ability that hadn’t occurred in these weird unexplained situations syl as immediately understood once he accessed it that did not happen in any of these instances which indicates it is not that. Also we have yet to see anything that ineiviates adhesion is really about pressure and vacuum because it may not even be a natural surge that’s what khriss says is the case but that may just be the rational behind it, in fact if anything is the surge of pressure and vacuum shouldn’t it be tension? During the duel in words of radiance while fighting two shardbearers he begins dodging them perfectly and stated that he felt like he could have done that with his eyes closed, the sequence and feeling is described very similarly to atium or when spook jacked his senses up to a million. I don’t think that changes the fundamental laws of the universe though what Sanderson meant by pure surges then is that each is limited by understanding like you go to a different planet the surges will be reshuffled versions of the same rules laws and concepts. If I had to bet “pure surges” would exist only on yolen or anywhere they have a very very good understanding of the universes laws a pure surge would be each power and aspectnof the surge sorted into its rightful place. I also think we are told the surges are of honor and cultivation because they accessed them not created them and the fused don’t quite get that difference. regardless it seems likely that at least one dawnshard grants bondsmithing, we are told that a bondsmith and a dawnshard destroyed ashyn at different points and we know of no other way to have a bondsmith on ashyn that makes sense rn. Change does not grant bondmsithing and therefore this “unite” or “bind” dawnshard is likely the unique one and the force by which the other 3 are bound into a cohesive whole. It also then makes sense that bondsmith are imitations of the power of this dawnshard. yolen has Lightweavers which means that the They have surgebinders, we have seen hoid use upload light weaving I believe but it seems substantially less useful then rosharan light weaving which seems to be way better from what we have seen of what can be assumed to be yolish lightweaving.

True but i mean belonged to her when they shattered adonalsium. maybe but it must have happened long ago that it may as well be native, additionally it’s possible it was storied in the cognitive realm. I think that it may just be a savantism thing would be immortality to all of them I think that create could also prevent the killing of people. I don’t think it could be survive that doesn’t make much sense to me if it’s anything like survive I would call it conserve like the 1st law of thermodynamics. Because survive only really applies to life where as conserve applys to everything and is universal so I think that’s a lot better. Create makes no sense and neither does destroy because the law of thermodynamics exist and so that cannot be a Divine command. I’m pretty sure that hoid was offered endowment he was in the group and so would have been offered a shard given that endowment is the shard he would be tempted by its safe to assume he was offered it, and also we have almsot. I information so we have to make some assumptions and this is fairly safe. If shards could easily add additional surges and ones as insanely powerful as adhesion is they woudl eovand odium definitely would because he really really wants out. the surges are not a rosharan only thing there is surge binding on other planets there was surgebinding on ashyn, and on yolen on top of that it’s stated by odium the other shards have yet to discover its power. The surges are the FUNDAMENTAL forces of the universe they don’t just not exist rn. Than voidbinding must not be what we think because according to the fused who would know this adhesion is honor only and after the tower attack we have tested evidence taht supports this claim so I think it’s more reasonable to believe this claim then dispute it. On top of the fact that a dawnshard/bondsmith is said to have caused ashyns destruction. Kaladin does definitely have unexplained abilities because he has used abilities syl does not understand this is important because when he discovers new abilities it is like she always understood. She does not understand how he DEFLECTED a high storm. He also at one point had basically atium when he said he could have dodged the two shardbearers with his eyes closed his experience mirrors atium which there is no way he should be able to do. Some have theorized that he used adhesion to connect to the spiritual realm but he shouldn’t be able to do that sicne he isn’t a bondsmith unless he is because when has the unite dawnshard. That is certainly not wind manipulation additionally in rythm of war he displays an instance of super speed against he pursuer. Make no mistake there is something weird about kaladin. But the dawnshard idea is kinda crackpot I think a much much more likely explanation is that kaladin is getting a spiritual feedback loop (just like the one that makes it so that since he was going to become a spear master he was always gifted (and most likely this kinda thing is what made vin so naturally gifted as well)) but on a much higher power level maybe he will become a bondsmith or some other high power entity and this is working through the spiritual realm to grant him extra little abilities. This is much more likely but also less fun then him being a dawnshard. cultivation is definitely setting up a new generation of shards she may have manipulate many more people I think to take up shard mantles but that’s not the point rn.

To figure out the dawnshards we need to figure out what they are and where they are. so I think first we need to know who has a dawnshard to begin with, we know that 1) at least 2 are on roshar 2) 1 is change and I think we can assume it belonged to cultivation 3) 1 compelled hoid to not harm people and may or may not be on roshar 4) 1 destroyed ashyn which means that it likely belonged to odium but honor brought them to roshar for a reason meaning it could have been his. This is also why he raved about it and felt like it was needed to beat odium. 5) one may be on Scadrial and if one was it seems likely that it is survive. 6. the dawnshards have voices and speak to their bearers, can they speak to people who do not Carry them? so assuming each of the 16 who owned a dawnshard had them at the shattering. So the shards are 1. Change- That means cultivation had one and its change that’s done. When this was taken up there was a stark golden light 2. ______- dawnshard savanatism stopped hoid from hurting people and hoid had this one where it is we don’t know. 3. ______- destroyed ashyn possessed by honor or odium. 4.______- no definitive information interesting points- 1. surivive is a voice heard on Scadrial and would match preservation 2. unite them and unity is tied to dalinar, nohadon and honor. when dalinar proclaims himself unity odium shrinks back from a golden light 3. honor appears to have a unique surge present in bondsmith a and windrunners additionally bondsmith dedicated on ashyn which means adhesion must have been accessed but honor was not present and a dawnshard was. 4. this is very very important the most important one, surges existed before the shattering they are fundamental forces of the universe and the fundamental laws that govern it which means that since they are tied to honor and cultivation specifically by the fused if we take their word considering their advanced cosmere awareness and age we may be able to. 5. this is also very very important, one dawnshard is different than the others. conclusions- Then if dawnshards are the fundamental commands used to create the universe and honor and cultivation are responsible for the surges somehow but surges and surgebinding was around before the shattering that means that it makes sense for this to be a dawnshard that did this and since we have a danwshard very closely matching cultivation’s intent being growth there should be one very closely matching honors. therefore the dawnshard closet match’s honors intent it is likely the one that grants bondsmithing through the honor or potentially dawnshard specific surge, this woudl be how bondsmith existed on ashyn most likely. in fact based on this it seems that bondsmiths are basically recreations of the power that this dawnshard gave. So that means dawnshard number 3. Was most likely possessed by honor. This assuming that he possessed it for the shattering means in cannot be hoids. so 3._______- possessed by honor so what is the most likely candidate for this shard the answer immediately seems to be unity but we will see. so as another post suggested we can group the shards into 4 like the alomantic metals each under a dawnshard nad this why their are 16 shards it split adonalsium into 16 parts each group of 4 being aspects of a dawnshard. So we must be able to group these along the lines of dawnshards. we can ignore change since other then cultivation it doesn’t matter. So we must identify Other shards related to bondsmithing to then work out the intent of this dawnshard. It cannot be odium, or cultivation because on has a dawnshard and one divides which bondsmiths do not do. Valor doesn’t seem to currently share much in common same for whimsy, invention, mercy, ruin, ambition, and autonomy. Endowment is out because hoid was offered the shard of endowment and assuming he had this dawnshard at the shattering along with honor that means endowment cannot be in the same group as honor. This all leaves us with honor, dominion, and devotion. All of these are effects that bind things. It is possible that odium is in this group if you consider that maybe it is in a two shard group with devotion as shards that unite for/against one pushing and one pulling but I think hatred being more divisive so this is debatable. I think odium would be in the group with ruin but this is a possible arrangement. this means odium seems to not possess a dawnshard as it may be in the group with honor and 3 dawnshards on roshar seems unlikely. Now for the dawnshards I think that the different dawnshard is likely either the one possessed by hoid or honor. Hoid because of the interesting effects it may have had on him but this may be explained by basically dawnshard savantism. Honor because of the unique surge associated with the dawnshard honor possessed and honor himself possesses as a consequence of that dawnshard potentially. This opens up a possibility that all people in honors 4 group have adhesion but this seems potentially unlikely since odium could be in that group and the fused who know of other shards specifically call it a surge of honor. However it does not seem like cultivation has a unique surge and she seemingly possessed a dawnshard that means honors dawnshard is likely the unique one, so it is still possible all shards in honors group possess this power because they were created through a unique dawnshard this means odium is not in honors group if this is the case. I could also have this backwards and change is the only one that does not give a unique surge or we have not seen the unique surge for change yet. This seems unlikely because odium possesses neither another special surge or adhesion. Supporting this is the line stating the dawnshards were known to bind any being voidish or mortal however growth seems hummable to do this and adhesion can do just as described. unity would fit this description and may be the dawnshard or at least soemthing similar which means dalinar may have it. Another possibility that may have been overlooked is that kaladin is actually in possession of this dawnshard and that is why he has other unexplained abilities however this would likely mean that the honor dawnshard is not different because he does not display bondsmithing abilities or he potentially does not have enough investiture to activate them. So what is the dawnshard hoid had? it does not appear to be the one honor had assuming honor has had it during the shattering and it is likely the one related to endowment and its like it also made him nearly unkillable and prevented him from being able to harm anyone. This appears to be a form of savantism. The unkillable part seems likely to apply to all of them but the inability to harm may be similarly connect to them all or it may help us narrow down the intent, assuming it can help us our best bet here is to group endowment with other shards via common ground then extrapolate an intent. But I have no clue what shards it could share common ground with other then cultivation and those don’t seem to have similar dawnshard roots. A suggestion I like on the names of the dawnshard is from user Leuthie These are comprehensive commands that fit the nature of the shard held by honor very well. this would mean hoid has the create dawnshard however I think this doesn’t make sense for a few reasons. The main one is these are commands to a universe where thermo dynamics exist and as such matter/energy/investiture cannot be created or preserved so I think the shard hoid has was something along the lines of conserve/ maintain/ transfer basically the first law of thermodynamics. This is why he cannot kill because in the cosmere souls exist outside this and when things are killed they pass seemingly for good meaning hoid is unable to kill them or eat their flesh since it would violate that intent. In this context endowment represents whatever the energy is being converted to when its “used up”. The 4th dawnshard I have no clue but bind seems a good bet for the 3rd. Basically- the first dawnshard is change and cultivation had it. the second dawnshard is basically or at least kinda related to the first law of thermodynamics or soemthing similar and hoid had it at one point. If it is not this I believe that this dawnshard would be life or soemthing similar and would law down the rules for life in the cosmere and it’s interactions with everything this would include things like the rules for how souls work. the third dawnshard is different from the others and is possibly unity or bind or some other similar command this dawnshard if this is correct was likely used to bind the other three into a cohesive system. This dawnshard also appears to give bondsmithing powers to those who use and the bondsmiths may exist as imitations of this, honor likely possessed it this likely destroyed ashyn, it is also likely honor possesses the surge of adhesion because of holding this dawnshard for a long time or soemthing like that or all shards split by it may have access to it these likely include devotion and dominion it’s possible it include odium but I doubt it. the 4th dawnshard i have no idea about and were ruin not a shard I would assume it to be like the second law of thermodynamics ever increasing entropy but generally it seems likely that this category includes ruin, maybe odium and others and will be vowed more negatively. also cultivation is evil, Because I feel compelled to put that since in losing my mind thinking of cultivation conspiracy theories.

Yeah that’s fair ruin would not lose easy or automatically but an unsupported resourceless shard would be easy pickings for odium compared to many others, he could let him rampage among the other shards until they team up on him but then odium risks ruin and the others learning and becoming proficient in the shattering of shards at which point odium may struggle. Odiums biggest advantage goes away with time so he wants to strike hard and fast. Ruin however has almsot no chance of winning because his intent will often leave himself without the same resources as others. So he likely will not win, the best chance vs odium is autonomy because autonomy has spread their influence widely. odium vs autonomy is. Basically a clsssic example of a wide vs tall strategy odium has gone tall he has the single most powerful system we know of magically and militarily but his influence is really limited to that so while these forces could easily overwhelm any single planet or system controlled by autonomy autonomy outnumbers them. Additionally odium has kept his splintering of power to a minimum while autonomy has split a lot in fact head to head their may not be enough of autonomy to take odium even a little bit but it means where odium isn’t an avatar of autonomy can be. So the question is which strategy is more effective and I think it largely depends on 1. Who other shards attack 2. how easily odium kills autonomy avatars because it could either end up with autonomy kiting odium around the cosmere in a war of attrition attacking with avatars where odium isn’t and stuff or odium hunting down autonomy avatars killing them and hoping form world to world burning them or the ground as he goes.