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There were 13 people alive during the last cycle, and there were only 4 votes. Would you rather I didn't vote too? I'm actually trying to find elims. And it's coming from someone who is not participating in lynches, which seems like hiding for me. Can you guys participate in voting too? We are probably 2 cycles away from losing. Reads are Sart, SfS, Fadran and Danex are village. Other 6 are Whysper, Vapor, Chasmgoat, Jester, Aman and Kings Way. Aman, I have no clue. Kings Way was active during the cycle in which there was no kill, and hasn't been active since Thursday, during which there has been a kill. I was reading Whysper was village when she was active. That leaves Vapor, Chasmgoat and Jester. Chasmgoat's activity actually matches with inactivity during the cycle with no kill and active in the last cycle during which there was a kill.
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As seen from LG71, in which there was a cycle without elim kill, the elim team do not have to be completely inactive to not submit a kill. In fact, among the players you mentioned, Whysper and Chasmgoat had been online on the Shard, they just hadn't posted in the thread. As I told in my post, I was reading Chasm and Whysper as village earlier in the game, and Aman tried killing Bearer in D1. Besides, Aman was inactive in the middle cycles when you blocked Gears, so there has to be someone else submitting elim kills.
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You can just click Bearer's tag in the player's list in the first post. It seems they have changed their name to Ookla the Tortured.
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I'll vote for Bearer as well. We'll have to look for players active till the last cycle, but not during the last. Chasmgoat and Whysper fit the bill as well, but I was reading them as village earlier in the game.
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Ahh, these xD:
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@Ashbringer, a few questions: Who will be the owners of the Blades in the beginning? Will it be randomly distributed among the village? Are there other non-Faction specific Radiants? Does using Surges via Honoblades cost Stormlight? Because if I recall correctly, canonically, Honorblades do not require expenditure of Stormlight. Can the Truthless be killed in the Night? If so, do they "win" their game as well?
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Galatar rose from the chasms and mentally felt his bond with Stormfather. Yes.. it was weak, but it wasn't broken yet. Diagrammists had tried to kill him, but Stormfather had saved him at the expense of the strength of their bond. And so when he heard there was excursion to Shinovar to reclaim the Honorblades, he knew he had to go. He had to get his hands on Ishar's Blade. Perhaps claiming the Bondsmith's Blade would get him closer to finding the Stormfather again. Sign me up as Galatar, making his return from LG67.
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How was your PMs with Fadran, and what do you think of him?
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People who have been resistant to Gears lynch were - Ghander, Vapor and Jester. Among them, the most suspicious is Ghanderflaffle as they have been sneak-defending Gears ever since the role-block PM reveal. They were also one of the early votes on Turtle's lynch and the shift away from Gears in that cycle.
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I was literally the one pushing strongly for Gears' lynch even after everyone retracted their votes post his TLR claim.
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I really don't get the voting for Quinn. She's the reason we even know about Gears in the place, and she's a roleblocker. The other TLR claim to Quinn is enough for me to believe Ash was telling the truth to me about being contacted by TLR. And the elims would have definitely killed Gears off last cycle itself in a double tap ( @Matrim's Dice, please confirm if it's possible. If someone with an extra life is lynched and targeted with a kill in the same cycle, they lose both their lives?) to finish off our PMs. Gears.
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Hmmm, I still don't see a case where an elim roleblocker blocks an elim kill, and the main thing that set off my bells is you clearing me, which is what elims always do before killing me off, but now apparently the choice was Quinn's so.. I'll wait for a counterclaim. If there isn't one, then I'll think about it. EDIT: Ventyl, this is super suspicious. You do know he'll survive the lynch as he could be Spiked right?
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Why is it suspicious? If you believe Gears, then you'd believe his scan on me? Think about it, why would he claim to Quinn, whose alignment he didn't know, and not claim to me, whose alignment he apparently did? Y'all lynched Reading to give us info about Gears. Reading wasn't TLR and he wasn't a WGG'd elim. That means, as clear as a day, Gears was roleblocked. Are we really considering that an elim!role-blocker blocked elim killer to frame someone more than the simple fact that Gears is an elim whose kill was blocked and is now lying to get out of the lynch? Like the fact that elim!roleblocker would block elim kill is more farfetched than a WGG because we didn't even know that roleblock would show as "attacked but survived" in C1, and I don't know why elims would know any different as Mat didn't mention it anywhere else, and role-blocks never showed the message in previous games, so the elims would have no reason to believe that role-blocking the elim kill would show the message. Besides, what's the point? To frame a villager at the expense of a kill? When they could have easily gotten mislynches as it was just C2, and not waste an elim kill. Why would they choose Gears to frame, a player who always dies very early in the game? Pretty sure they plan to kill me this cycle, so they'd clear me here and then submit the kill so when I flip village, Gears would get trusted. People in PM with Gears, do look out of the scope of PMs as it's very easy to get manipulated in PMs. It's quite clear from all the info that we have in the thread that he was the one who submitted the role-blocked elim kill. I really hope TLR who scanned Ash trusts someone to claim to them.
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Yeah no. Gears. Ashbringer and I had a PM going in which he told me that TLR had scanned him first and he had claimed to him. Now that we know Ash was village, there was no reason for him to lie to me. I'd rather believe him over someone who has escaped 3 times in a row. Also, I'd imagine you'd want to contact me as soon as you had scanned me to build a village trust. You haven't done so, as it is the first time I'm hearing you have scanned me. You're lying to escape the lynch again.
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1. Gears PM-chain spreading too wide could possibly be explained by the reduced no. of elims (I think Mat mentioned that the game would have lesser-than-usual no. of elims because of the Spiked ability). So if the PM-chain mainly spread through village, it's the reason by the chain spread quickly. And I actually seriously doubt the elims would want to start a chain that can be traced back to them, because we would want to trace a claim if it lead to a mislynch. 2. Actually, shouldn't Gears have passed on the chain? What did we all do when we received the PM that Gears was role-blocked? Did we spread the message or did we PM Gears to tell we received a message that they were role-blocked? Here, Gears received the message that Quinn was role-blocked and instead of spreading it, decided to PM Quinn?
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Hey, don't thank me. xD You might still be an elim. I just find that, even if you are one, the fact that you cannot defend yourself is a bit unfair.
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Guys, be very careful about believing PMs because basically you're keeping the other villagers in the dark, and you're not giving the person you are accusing a chance to defend themselves. Now, as a voter of Gears, I'd like to know why do you believe Gears isn't an elim. Has another role-blocker claimed to you that they blocked someone else? If so, why is it more likely that their block targeted Reading and not the person who claimed to have blocked Gears? Anything else to explain why Gears is village, something more than "PM reasons"?
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This post sounds very hedgy. I actually think Reading is village (or village aligned TLR) since Reading is now pursuing a lynch on Gears, and if Reading was indeed WGG'd elim, he knows Gears lynch and Gears flipping village would only implicate him. We still haven't heard from the presumed other roleblocker. I believe they would have told it to someone they trusted by now because if they die to an elim kill, they take the info with them. As I said last cycle, Gears being role-blocked (as an elim) is more likely than Reading WGG or the presence of another roleblocker for the reasons stated above.
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I'm going to sleep so i won't be around for roll-over. Most of you make a good case against eltruT. I still think something is off about Gears as it's the case of WGG on Reading vs Role-blocked elim!Gears vs Role-blocked elim!x with the roleblocker silent and not revealing whom they role-blocked and I think role-blocked elim!Gears is the most probable of the three. Turtle's alignment also might help to decide which of the three cases occurred.
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So a village role-blocker blocked village Gears? That would mean that the attack on Reading was WGG then?
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So, what's the theory now? Genuine roleblocker started the chain and Turtle tried to muddle it up or an elim started the chain to pin Gears? If it's the former that would be both Gears and Turtle are elims. If it's the latter, there's an elim at the head of the chain. I think Books mentioned a defence for Gears as they said an elim would try to sow chaos and blame other villagers, but I'm of the opinion that an elim would be cautious in doing so as such fake roleblock claims can always be traced back to them, so they'd not want to risk another elim's life while trying to save elim!Gears.
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Basically the farfetched scenario I think Quinn mentioned. A case where there's no role-block and spiked!you were attacked by an elim team-mate so you could get cleared. I say this because if Gears is village, that means the creator of the chain is an elim, meaning the creator is not the roleblocker, meaning there was no role-block, meaning you survived by some other means, meaning your elim teammates attacked you to clear you (since you didn't claim TLR). WGG stands of Wounded Gazelle Gambit, a move where an elim attacks a protected team-mate to clear them as village.
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We shouldn't "want" you to give reads. You should give them by yourself. I think something's up with Turtle/Gears/Danex. I received PMs from 2 people that Gears was RBd. If they flip village, Danex and Turtle are under suspicion. If Gears flips village, we might have to keep an eye on Reading as he might have been WGG'd.
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Didn't you tell that TLR would be basically useless if they joined the elims and then proceeded to make a case for them to join the village? Where did you advocate TLR to join the elims?
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I'm telling you it's eerie how I was thinking the same thing. I was just noting down the voting sequence for the last cycle and found it very weird that he didn't retract or even speak about the fact that he voted for you. I'm wary of following Aman but he wanted to give up his life so Bearer doesn't die so I'm cautious reading him village. Ventyl Aman, what are you thoughts on Reading's survival? I'm reading Somebody as village as well. They were the 3rd player to vote on Aman and shifted to be the 3rd player to vote on Bearer, which showed clear purpose. An elim would see no difference between the two. In fact they might have preferred the lynch of more experience Aman. They would also be afraid of how they would look if Bearer flipped village as they were the last person to vote for them. Reading Books as village for their attack on Danex. I'm not sure about Danex, but I'm leaning v/v on Danex-Books. Leaning elim for Turtle for their vote on Illwei last cycle.
