|TJ|

im so confused. bros. if you think amans claim is distracting, just ignore the claim and all parts of his role. focus on reading his posts and judge him as baddie or goodie purely from that. if hes true neutral, he wouldnt want to get voted out before fulfilling his wincon. hens, he shouldnt, in theory, be exhibiting baddie tendencies to avoid being voted out. also. im confused. i think one of shining/wiz/fae/fadran are baddie. pure gut. and strikers doing the pretend-to-be-neutral bit again but idk if hes goodie or baddie this time -.- goodie - ashbringer, bystander ???? - stick, locky, aman, archer, walin, striker, fae, wiz (read ??? as waterrr you doinnnng?) idk but hmmm leaning mildly just slightly goodie - mat, araris baddie - jnv, fadran, shining

... okay is fadran a jester? -.-

smh aman opened the floodgates -.- see i considered that but look at what he posted right after that. it reads to me like he felt it was a slip so he had to go the other way. said there are no villagers. now say there are no elims to balance it out and make it appear like a joke.

loooove that theres football themes in the game and love that referee role lmao. amanthony taylor, everyone! @Amanuensis, youre removed from the game after giving 2 red cards? pfa might frown that you were being too harsh, so presuming youd be relieved of your duties.

yes I realised that when noting fadran changing votes so many times smh. at the time I just wanted everyone to keep an eye on interactions slash show theres ways to solve a flipless game. mad watcher wanting everyone to be watcher. besides nahh baddies dont got too much time on their hands to specifically designate time to mess with my chart im sure. they gots their own agendas and issues plus ill obviously not be one hundred percent reliant on chart. my motto always, data to be used to assist analysis, not be the primary reason to kill someone.

duhh im reading the second post doubling down on the first post as a cover to a slip (bcause second post essential says the same thing, almost repeat), so yes leaning more towards baddie than neutral. edit - now what possessed you to post this totally unprovoked -.-

>> whats the common thing between terms and conditions agreement and general rules? i ignore both of them and move on to the next bit :P. okiedokes, associationings still relevant yay.

hmmmm couple of points. after lockys post accusing stick, i scrolled down and expected the defence to be "never said i wanted to consolidate early in the game (bcause stick never said anything about consolidating early in her og post). only when we have an idea slash suspect the gamestate is close to parity we should be wary". the actual reply waaaas longwinded aaand idk not exactly sure what to feel. tldr - *reads sticks post* hmmm yes we need to be wary of hammers in the endgame *reads lockys post* agreed but stick never said anything about consolidationings early in the game, surely shell rebut like so *reads sticks response* huh, what is this defence???. hehe when the tldr is longer than your og statement :P. okok watchers watchings point number 2. hmm very important point. neutral does not mean harmless to the village. (as i taught yall in mr56 muahahahaha :P). could be baddie neutral. could be wincon to kill x goodies. could be anything. call us pirates because we're partially blindfolded :P. anyway, yes neutral != nice goodie adjacent lad. we need to be aware their motivations too. as such, quite happy with my vote. [edit: the second post from fadran doubling down could be a show as well to fake neutral after og slip] point tres. i was just re-reading the thread and felt ash and aman (oooooh merge them and you get asha'man) are not both baddies on gut. bcause ash be speculating keeper or striker. but then i realised. bros. we dont know if baddies are informed or uninformed. one of the best ways to balance unflippiness is to isolate the baddies (or some sort of uninformed mechanism) [the other way is to make baddies numbers v smol like locky said]. if so, my entire associationings are useless smh. @Kasimir, do we get to know if baddies are informed or not?

slippery slip woosh. this feels like elim or neutral slip. woosh. no reason to think of a case where there are no goodies unless you are not a goodie in the first place! fadran j-envy

walin: if im not there, pls do this kas: no. be unconditional walin: i wont be there. do this. kas: sure sir what do you want to do?

smh i promise that looks better in sheets. How'd the village do in TJ's game? I remember that neutral!Devo won, but the village did alright, yeah? village rally to find e!archer. but after that iirc demon!devo killed all other elims. maybe not stick? maybe stick was also village killed? but yes demon!devo kills also a mechanic against flippilessness. hmmmmmm stink fellow was very well hidden. you guyssss, amans a keeper :') matty hiii yess its been too long . and yes a&b != b&a :P.

watching watching watching.... like googly eyes. left... then right... then left... then right. or maybe like crossing a road. why did mad watcher cross the road? because she was watching left and right and she felt compelled. cant rely on good ol gm to give us good or bad info when someone goes dead. so mad watcher go watching. why did all these players sign up? more than ag even. crazy people. anyways watching but by associationings. a whooooole record of who defend whom. who argued for whom. like so - Ashbringer Wizard Steeldancer Fadran Striker Xino JNV Matrim Biplet Araris Devotary Aman TUN Bookwyrm Tani Archer Walin TJ Danex Stick Orlok Random Sart Shining Fae Ashbringer Wizard XVD1 Steeldancer Fadran XVD1 Striker Xino XVD1 JNV Matrim XVD1 Biplet Araris XVD1 Devotary XVD1 Aman XVD1 TUN Bookwyrm Tani Archer XVD1 Walin TJ Danex Stick Orlok Random Sart Shining Fae X Opposing & Supporting V Vote A Argument ofc supporting doesnt mean both are baddies. and opposing does not have to mean baddies fighting goodies. but associationings taken in context with other stuff leads to *thumbs down* baddies :P. one of the ways to help in gm-boo-why-no-color games. ill vote for jnv. them very much anticipationing the cursed cat video means they are baddies! [feel like im not doing og mad watcher much justice. og mad watcher the best mad watcher.]

Look, I firmly believe that if one can dish it out, one should be able to take it back. As your former flipless-arson-blackout GM of the infamous MR56, I need to experience what my players did in that game :P. Plus Kas games directly following AGs are always cash money. As a throwback to MR42, my first SE game, sign me up as mad watcher!

Mods, I've been quite busy for a while and I'm not sure when I'll be free next. Mark me down as such till I say otherwise. Thanks!

sooooo many regulars? I derped so hard this game lmaoo xD i thought it was role-madness, which is why I claimed I had role in D1, and almost claimed what the role was then. Well, I think this is the first elim sweep I've been a part of, so that's been fun, finding elims with almost no connections to each other xD Also, it was an exercise in restraint as I usually always use my role, even vote manip, each cycle. So knowing when to hold back as a villager is v important. Good game guys, and yes Arelene doc was v fun to hang around with the lads.

Kas, I'mma need you to stop looking at my actions as 'could be possibly evil' and start taking actions and then reading alignment off them. Less "hey he could have done this if he was evil too" and more "okay he has done this, now what does it say about his alignment". I was lurking at the end of D1 too, because again, I wanted to look till the last minute to decide if I should vote-shift or not. You'll recall that I asked you and shadow to stop talking in the doc immediately after the cycle was over because you guys were talking into the rollover. Another thing is there were like 8-9 players viewing the thread during EoD2 (didn't observe keenly on who among them were still playing) but still a large enough pool for e!me to take a bet on killing multiple player once and/or saving Illwei. There's no way elim!me not protect Illwei after not protecting Archer in the previous cycle. And not protect shadow on top of that. That's just purely self-destructive elim-play. If I understand correctly Tani target-scanned Baker last cycle and came up with nothing. And one Fjordell scanner scanned another Fjordell player and came up empty? My PoE right now is <Bort, JNV> , <Baker, Sibling>, <Tani, Devotary>, <Mat, Kas> Let me know about my Forging. Currently leaning towards shifting a side-train vote onto JNV to make it 4-4. Edit: Wait, what? xD I thought it was so I could shift votes from the 4 to the 2 to make it 3-3-3 to clear players xDD

Okay my re-read has been a mess, it's all over the place but I'll just tag stuff whenever I need to comment on them and not make a huge multi-quote mess, so first - This does not look e/e with Illwei, imo. (+ I want to say that the stuff about Tani hunting for the player typing stuff in wrong color and voting on them feels village)

I'm a village Forger, showing restraint not to use my action to go against consensus because I wasn't confident enough in my votes. If I was an elim Forger I could have saved 3 elims in each of the 3 cycles. In addition to that, I could have killed 3 more players in D2 with a single vote-shift (which is the reason I was observing EoD stuff carefully, so that if I do send in an order to shift votes and there are some last minute vote changes in thread, it could have lead to multiple players dying). There's no proof that I am a Forger, but I can easily prove that in this cycle. I think I've already mentioned this xD but yes Kas' strong village read on Orlok is what added probably 20% of the 80% I mentioned I was sure that Orlok is village. (Except for D1 vote) I work with content bro. I discern guilt from volume of content, and Illwei basically had barebones of content compared to Mat. I wasn't clear given the time constraints but I was looking for her reasons to vote on Archer and her opinion on Illwei specifically, so I was confined to a D1 and D2 content search. She stated in the thread (and in the doc) that she had flagged certain stuff from Archer which she found suspicious, so I was search for these things she had flagged but I couldn't find it anywhere. And yes I was in the doc at near-EoD, but I was on the Docs app on the phone, so I donno if it makes a difference in terms of visibility.

Yeah, I'm passing.

Okay, no. Need more time to read shadow and don't wanna cannibalize into my own doc. I'm gonna go for pure bad vibe vote on Bort cause I don't know what to do anymore.

Hold on, trying to go through her D1 vote and thoughts in doc asap.

I've been arguing against e!Aman the entire day in the doc. You can ask Kas and Orlok. Mat, agreed that shadow is the player I trust the least in the doc but it's possible that our doc is uncompromised.

Okay, seriously. Where's the logic in this? If you believe Aman is village and you're village you just want to cost the village 2 of our own?

Bro, smh >>

We've been discussing Aman for like 24 hours and I'm probably the least convinced out of the four of us, so I've been playing the role of devil's advocate. And honestly, they have a response for any issue I've brought up and I've come up empty more than a few times at things that show e!Aman, their reasonings make sense. I don't sense any maliciousness in their arguments in the doc. It doesn't seem to come from an elim mindset i.e. it doesn't feel like a witch hunt. I'm very very sure that Kas is village, a bit less sure about Orlok but I'd say I'm 80% sure he's village. And since I trust them, there are no better players to read Aman accurately than them. So I'm backing them in this, I trust their ability to read Aman more than I trust mine.