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Kill Thaid "too"? All tied vote deaths weren't a thing when you voted Thaid in D1. Which means you're lying about your intentions. Striker
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I need web browser, which in turn requires laptop access, bro. Give me some time (or i can just tell you the steps in the doc).
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I tried quoting this on mobile and it all quoted like one jumbled mess but @Orlok Tsubodai, this is pertaining to post #64 - Devotary's. Why is she villager in 'Perceived AI' column? You've only used 'villager' when describing confirmed villagers' posts.
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I know I knowwww, yeah it was bad >>
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Bah, sorry guys. I really didn't put my all into the game, and basically did zero back-reading. Having said that, I'm glad I was able to change Mat's mind in the last cycle even though it didn't matter in the end. Smh I just wish I had stayed on the one paranoid theory I dismissed because that Orlok retraction was weird as heck xD Good game, elims! I don't think I had any of you figured out, and Mat was the one who pointed me in Aman's direction. Also there should be a rule that you don't survive a tie if you have survived a tie before in the game xD Sorry Stick and Archer for tunneling on you guys with the bus theory :P. This was one of the bad village games >>
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Yes, that too, but I was v-reading you prior to D2 cycle based on your content I mentioned before that I had an MR57 reason for v-reading you but couldn't remember if I said it here too or just in the doc, so I thought I'd explain it here.
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Broskis I'll be busy till Saturday, predominantly on phone with limited laptop access so I'll just be chipping in from the phone now and then. Current thoughts is I donno where we go from here because Mat's annoyance that he couldn't do more in D1 felt genuine and Devo... I really have no clue. With regards to the MR57 reason for not voting on Archer, it's because I tunnelled and almost got him MLed in that game, which made me want to be more careful and take more time to solve his slot accurately as I didn't want to ML him as early as D1 (stating this would have shown I was village in MR57, which is why I couldn't say this). I also think my village read on Aman is mainly due to how different he feels in this game when compared to MR57.
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I'm happy with my vote xD I'm looking at developments smh :P.
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Huh, wait what???
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Uhhhh, perhaps you meant to vote for Matrim? xDD
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Any reason why your gut is going with Devotary? Gut reads come with reason too, because rn it looks awful lot like a Mat-protection vote because it's unprompted, sudden, and without a reason.
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Okay huh, I did not know this. Probably missed this reveal somewhere but till now I was thinking Exp claimed elim without the knowledge of his doc-mates. Because point of reaction-testing is that no one knows as they don't manufacture reactions. Which... is a point for e!Matrim (because the logical assumption for anyone to make was that the point of reaction-testing was that no one knew, but the fact that he guessed it was a voted thing hints at TMI from Archer, like Aman is saying). But it also points at e!Devotary because she puts in a slam-dunk-no-questioned-asked vote on Exp after the reveal which hints at the wanting to generate a similar reaction to what Kas expected villagers to react to his AG8 gambit, which further shows she knew Exp claim was incoming, again hinting at TMI from Archer. And now I'm unsure because this shows Devotary and Mat to be e/e but their on-thread interactions are very much not e/e and now I'm just confused. xD
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Okay okay I'm here omg, you know I do tend to get detached from games at times till D3 >> @Amanuensis and @Kasimir, with regards to my Devotary read, I'd like to be clear because it wasn't hedging or the sorts. Elim!Devotary has a very clear meta - be quite, don't gain attention, coast along the game by chipping in interesting seemingly-helpful tidbits now and then, which often ends up resulting in Devotary being the last standing member of her team. Bussing (especially D1) is also not a part of e!Devotary meta. Devotary busses only when the elimination is a foregone conclusion. In D1, she particularly saved e!Illwei when there was a tie in a fairly recent game. So, by hopping onto the elim claim, she immediately brought attention to herself - which is why I said it's a weird thing for e!Devotary to do. This means two things - either she's village or she's playing this evil game very different to her usual meta. And because I think it's latter rather than former, I placed her in my evil list. And I came here to vote on Mat, but then see he's defending me in last page smh >> I do think Mat's been suspicious because I've not seen him defending players like this before, and there seems to be no one he solidly suspects. Usually he'd be a bit more firm about his suspicions by now, but he does seem self-aware that he's been defending more than accusing. More self-awareness is a possible elim alignment indicative, I think. Mainly though, this is what triggered me in the first place - This re-affirmation looks very bad to me, like he was caught making a suspicious statement and when Devotary asked him in a way that it showed how ridiculous the statement was, he knew backing down would make it even more suspicious and he doubled down on it. Matrim's Dice Some other thoughts - I no longer v-read Striker. There's something weird going on between Striker/Araris/Tani and I'm not sure what. @StrikerEZ, why is Tani in your conf-V tier? And Kas, I really can't say why I wanted to take more time to read Archer without mentioning it in conjunction with MR57.
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Sigh, I'm done. Like Kas says, thread-brawling with Aman is bound to be an L. My main points were towards Mat anyway. I'm just imploring you to make a careful decision. I feel I've done my best. Just for the record, I didn't get Mat to do anything, and don't shorten the reasons to just this. It was a combination of re-reading D1 and realizing Xino felt village + my next suspects on this list were Thaid, TUN, you and Mat, with TUN and you being the only votes that would get support, and I preferred to vote you out over CC-ing TUN. Mat PMed me asking how on boarding I'd be for Aman lynch, and asked to look at him if Mat was killed. I said I had him in second tier suspicion and that I was starting to look closely at him, then I re-read D1 and dismissed xino and decide to go for Aman among my list of suspects because of the above mentioned reasons. This reeks of Hyena btw.
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Aha! I was suspected by only Mat (and Stick) and merely stating that Mat can read e!me correctly, which is what I meant by 'caught'. Your 'caught' seems to imply that I was eliminated, which I was not. It feels like your making this point to falsely argue that me having a different game is not the result of change in alignment. Also, you make me sound so smart here - - only to theorize that I made the stupid, obvious, one move that would get me caught, here - Sigh, listen everyone, NK analysis, it's possible to frame anyone. The only thing that is mine are my votes and my posts. Judge me on them. I feel good tonally, but votes are bad? Then compare them to Aman's posts and how they feel. If I'm being scrutinized for my votes, look at Aman's votes too because they aren't particularly better than mine.
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I'm sorry, I didn't understand a single point of this part. Who was the most villager-y of all the players? If e!Aman kills you, it would have set Orlok more firmly onto Aman, with JNV being firmly village read. I - really can't argue with this, you're right this is the most optimal move for e!me. So either you or Aman is doing a very good job of framing me. Okay this is important so listen up. If you think I'm solo elim, remember I revealed my role as Elder as early as C2. Also remember we're going by the hypothesis that last elim member in a 3-person team is a Veteran because distribution is not balanced for a normal 3p elim team with Fang system. There's zero reason for elim!me to fake-claim as Elder being a Veteran, especially when there was a chance I could be voted out. I'd be immediately caught in my lie when a lose my life, get voted out again. Zero-profit move it is for e!Veteran!me to make. And the bolded part just annoys me smh :P. No, he doesn't deserve to win, because we have him in our sights. Don't be afraid to vote for him smh. As evident from both the content and the timestamp of this EoC2 post of mine - I did not see the two Striker votes nor did I have the knowledge that they were coming. I was typing up this post and there is no way I could have put the kill on Archer when I was rushing to finish this up for EoC. If by boys, you mean your elim-mates, then yes xD Matty, c'mon. You caught in me LG83. Do you really think I could have so distinctly different elim games b2b?
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Grrrrrr, Mattyyy >> I'm gonna vote here and not check this thread for the next 48 hours for my mental health >> Amanuensis
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Hmmm, that seems fair. I think my current hypothesis of most likely scenario is e!solo!Veteran!Aman, which is why I'm voting there.
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Okay, now I'm back to paranoiding e!Mat xD Why not?
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Evil, Evil, Village, Village, Village, Village and pending re-read because I don't remember. I also evil-read Mat :P. And you seem different than your usual village game as well. Striker, I'm v-reading for exactly the same reason Aman mentioned, re: so confident in my read of D1 Striker, I'm hoping he's village.
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The last two games don't exactly count because they were basically vanillas :P. bro I swear each post I read I'm changing my mind, so sit in a corner and cry out of indecisiveness maybe? >> bro I'm telling you, give me one good reason for me to park on xino if I was elim. Look at it this way so that it's clear. It's 3-2 Bort to Orlok. Elim!me has only two logical actions - just two. Vote on Bort to bus him and gain village cred (as seen from LG83, I believe this is the move I'd choose if I was evil) OR vote on Orlok in an attempt to protect Bort (this works irrespective of the possibility of e!Orlok because if it was a tie and e!Orlok was chosen to die, I'd get village cred here too). There is no logic in e!me voting for Xino at all - because it doesn't give elim!me village cred nor does it give me a chance to save an elim teammate. Bro, you were the one who said TUN was not aware of game-state enough to kill Thaidakar, so he cannot be a solo elim. And when he's removed from 3-member team possibilities, the overall probability of him being evil decreases. Sigh, this looks like Aman is bussing TUN and then positing TUN/me team to ML me next, so I'm comfortable with my vote. Contrary to what you say, Aman, I really don't mind TUN dying, but I think you've been more suspicious than him this cycle. Possibilities if we eliminate TUN - 4-member team, v!inactive-killed!Orlok, v!eliminated!TUN - We lose after this cycle e!Veteran, 3-member team, v!inactive-killed!Orlok, v!eliminated!TUN - 2/1 after C5, 1/1 after C6 only if eliminated correctly, 50-50 win chance at the EoC7 4-member team, v!inactive-killed!Orlok, e!eliminated!TUN - 2/1 after C5, need to eliminate accurately in C6 to win 3-member team, v!inactive-killed!Orlok, e!eliminated!Veteran!TUN - 3/1 after C5, vote TUN again to win
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Okay, so I've caught up. Village - Striker (pure gut read from posts in p2 and p3), Aman (feels like MR56), Kasimir (effort might be fake-able but hyper-activity is very difficult to fake), JNV (very specific statement of ‘empire/empire connections might feel similar to evil/evil connections and that why is revealing empire-mates can be good’ feels coming from a village mindset) Evil - Thaid (echoing other players, seems asking why x makes him suspicious and why y is voting for him, previously not caring if they were being voted out), Devotary (agreed, that vote is so uncharacteristic of Devo, but I'm confused because it's uncharacteristic of e!Devotary as well) I was very mildly v-reading Archer prior to Aman's case, so wanna re-look into it. Unsure about Bort singling out Araris' post to put up suspicion on him like that. Care to reveal yet? We're under 90 minutes till the cycle ends.
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Hi, just posting to say I haven't started reading the thread yet, but I'll try to catch up before EoD, which should be... around 5 hours from now, yeah?
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Mmrghhhhh @Orlok Tsubodai, help pls ;-; I feel like Mat and Aman are both playing me like a fiddle >> and I really don't wanna be the guy that decides the game the wrong way >>
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;-; I am so confused. This doesn't make sense with xino flipping village? Why would 2 elims hammer to save a villager? And you'd be considering yourself as village, so why would two elims hammer on a villager to protect over another villager? How have you gone from this - to this? Aman, bro, it feels like you're wanting to win players over to your side and when you're trying to convince one player you suspect someone else, and when you want to convince the said suspect, you suspect some other player. No strong reasons to prefer you over TUN actually. Mainly, I didn't feel comfortable CC-ing in this stage of the game + TUN mentioned they were still catching up, so wanted to give them a chance to post some matter of substance. If you're asking why I voted along my suspect, it's because your death would have given me a very clear idea of his alignment. The reverse is also true i.e. his death would give a good idea of your alignment, but given how the response was to Mat elimination was in C3, I just realized it was futile. sigh, there was no one else, there was just me >> and now I'm confused again. why do I feel like e!you is trying to turn me and v!mat against each other -.- Excuse me if I massively misunderstood your first paragraph, but did you not just reason out that it doesn't make logical sense for an elim to shift the vote right there? +1 to this. @JNV, you go on to explain it wouldn't make sense for me to be an elim and then go ahead and vote for me anyway? Contradictory, Aman :/ You've slyly omitted Mat from my list, I see :P. Besides, do you have problem with my PoE? If I were to ask you to give a 4-member PoE last cycle, which 4 names would you have given me? I'm reaaaally don't wanna include JNV in the PoE, because that's just gonna give me headache. It's still between Aman, TUN and outside chance of Mat for me. If it's a three-member team, I predict the last member to be a Veteran, which fits well with Aman. TUN an outside chance for this because Kas likes to teach the village a lesson in distribution each game he manages, and if this game's lesson is 'don't be afraid to CC inactives', e!Veteran!TUN matches that. :P.
