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The plan is Biplet (4): Ash, Steel, Drake, Araris Ash (4): TJ, Mat, Aman, Wiz is that it? im confused.

ashbringer biplet anyone?

smh mat is toooo indecisive this game >> e!fadran with that role had no reason to reveal it to us though. by revealing it to us he has made us cautious and aware that scans could hit an evil confirmed villager. shows village tendency to share important info.

assuming 5-6 elims in a 25 member-game, weve already got 1, leaving 4-5 - from orloks eight, 2 from - ash, silho, archer, mat, steel from the rest, 2-3 from - jnv, biplet, sart [assuming loads of villagers - wizard, fadran, araris, aman, drake, orlok, rby, fae] huh, the rest is more narrow than orloks eight lmao. granted loads of village assumptions, but all reasonable to make no? anyone think anyone in the village pile is not village? biplet archer

there was ample time before the end of cycle after you claimed to kill biplet? and jnv has been lurking a lot. i suppose he could be trying to catch up but... its not the first time ive observed.

Mat could have the "Confirmed Villager" role but yes it would clear UPS. point 1. his pm scan ability is for even cycles so it has to be n2 :P. and smh i blocked shining n1 (shining started speaking of conversion very early in the game, wanted to prevent a conversion if he had a conversion role) and mat n2 i swearrrr grrr. >:( i can actually. if the elim who blocked you has the same role as me - wall-poster, then the person who blocked you n2 is likely the same person who blocked you n3 (ash, mat, shining, biplet, sart). we could have a trolled!multiquoter (i dont remember if someone copied xinos role) on you to prevent your blocking as we would be able to see who targeted you. i can also volunteer to troll!roleblock you so you get your troll on randby. @Biplet, did you get a successful scan in n2? also we have a tieguy this cycle too right? i wanted to change to biplet too. but if tie guy is there id stay on archer.

i dont have a pm with anyone bro.

an intersection of all the sets like whom i suspected (was iffy that archer was somewhat village read by majority) plus who has a free night action slot (avoiding trolls)(assumed and still assuming odd night pms dont take up an action slot) plus tie guy result (had already blocked mat and shining from it) plus elim team combinations (orlok not likely evil, araris not likely evil, aman not likely evil. if archer is evil, who else is gonna submit elim kills?). okay this is weird. two players targets one person and both their actions failing? im guessing archer has a role that make all actions on him fail or some variant of it subject to some conditions. thoughts?

Double-posting as this might be a large post - Player Day/Passive Action Night Action N1 N2 N3 Ashbringer Thread Master ? ??? ??? ??? Wizard - PM Spider ??? Scan Araris Araris targeted TKN ??? Steeldancer Pinch-Hitter Snatch Striker ??? Snatch Dannex Fadran Confirmed Villager Troll Troll Walin Troll RandBy Troll Aman Striker Lynchbait/Stab Voter - Xino Multiquoter Scan Aman Action Failed Scan Bookwyrm Book targeted Orlok JNV ? ? ? ? ? Matrim Tunnel Constrictor ? ? ? ? Biplet ? ? ? ? ? Araris Troll Watcher Scan TKN Troll Negative Watch Bookwyrm Troll Negative ? Devotary Pinch-Hitter ? Aman Goalkeeper Troll Saved Xino Save/Troll Bookwyrm Action Failed Save Bookwyrm Action Failed TUN Goalkeeper Save Aman ? Bookwyrm Vote Analyst Scan Striker (V) Scan Orlok (V) Scan Araris (V) Tani Roleplayer ? Archer PM Spider ??? Scan TJ TJ targeted Mat ??? Walin Troll Troll Aman - TJ Wall-Poster Blocked Shining Blocked Mat Blocked Archer Action Failed Danex Tie Guy Stick/Drake Terminal Seeker Kill Tani Kill Xino ??? Orlok Pinch-Hitter Copy Danex D3 - Use Tie Guy N3 - ? Random Roleplayer Copy a Troll? Troll Xino (failed) TTaTT (Fadran -> RBy) ? Sart ? ? ? Shining Discussion Leader ? ? ? Fae PM Buddy PM Spider ? ? ? first questions - @Kasimir or any of the pmers, does it take an action for you to send pms in the alternate odd cycle? we still have 2 more unidentified pmers - one who is a pm (presumed) analyst in comms with ada who scanned mat v, the other is pm troll in comms with drake/stick, the whole i kill myself you troll me thing at the end of n2. @Amanuensis, any more scan results from your pm contact? just a single result seems odd. @Ashbringer, @Matrim's Dice, @Shining Silhouette, please confirm if you have a night action if you can. @Sart, @Biplet, @JNV, inviting yall to claim your role if you want to. @Steeldancer, what did you do n2? @Araris Valerian, whom did you troll watch n3? @DrakeMarshall, still not sure by what you mean when you said "pacifist". do you not actually have a kill role? if you do, what happened last night? also, if you did not take any action, how do you know if you were roleblocked or not? @Orlok Tsubodai and @Random Bystander, which role did you guys copy last night, if its safe to reveal it considering village opsec? [if not just confirm if you have sucessfully copied a role last night] @The last Fae in the Woods, you scan results from n2? pardon if you have already mentioned this info before, i did try to search as much as possible, sorry if ive missed it. inviting everyone else to know the unknowns in the table to help me out. unaccountable n3 actions - ash, wiz, jnv, mat, biplet, (araris?), archer, drake, (orlok?), (random?), sart, shining, fae - removing players who could have actions not yet revealed and village reads - ash, jnv, mat, biplet, archer, shining im hoping at least one roleblocker and one elim kill is among these. ash, archer, mat, shining is the overlap between this and the tieguy result.

bros hold on @Channelknight Fadran, i was rereading, but just to confirm - you trolled Aman last night? which means amans protect on bookwyrm should have turned into a kill??? maybe your action failed because the elims were already killing bookwyrm?

uh no im just saying its not logical for any elim to do this, much less me because its - well to put it mildly is a very self-destructive move. like your logic is - there is a suspicious roleblocker -> elim claims as roleblocker (when there was no reason to do so) -> elim goes on to block a nearly confirmed villager despite the public knowledge that they are a roleblocker ??? how is that any way not self-destructing for an elim? like what is a single elim motivation to go through any of the steps in the chain of logic? [btw ive suspected shining since very early in the game] anyway ill stop defending myself, its of no point. id rather go on the offensive. i should be free in a while. i want to re-read to make a comprehensive action tracker so we can get to know who has free night roles to kill and role-block aman.

i dont know why my roleblock failed. perhaps there is some other action that is messing up and causing actions to fail. fifth pafo'd the question. but seriously, after claiming roleblocker, it would be suicidal to roleblock aman if i was evil. thats death sentence right there. plus a better option for evil me would be to claim i blocked one of my teammates. thats what i would do if i was evil. claiming that my action failed is all the more suspicious which does not make sense for evil me to be doing.

ah sorry, momentarily i thought pinch-hitter can directly get roleblock from tani. i dont know how though but my action really did fail. either by some other mechanic or by another roleblocker/version of roleblocker. i dont even know if another villager rber blocked me (in which case they should claim). if not, then i dont know why they targeted me instead of you, maybe they had another way of nullifying your presumed kill and the candidates for players with unaccountable night actions was decreasing which made it likely possible i could block the nk. i can only speculate, i really dont know.

broooo aman reaaaaad smh xD it should have failed n1 and n2 too as shining and mat claim they dont have a night action. hmmm... possible but not likely. pinch hitter? what exactly did steel do last night?

smh - its also possible there is an evil rper who copied the evil rber or me and got an extra rb last night.

if the theory is that e!archer providing cover for e!me saying i targeted mat, that is not a smart move at all, because there was no reason to provide cover as i wasnt known to be a roleblocker at all. even after he said i targeted mat, i had no reason to claim rb if i was evil, as rb was being suspected. because there was confusion regarding the the whole assumption as i could have been the one to scan mat, i cleared up the confusion by claiming. i really did target shining and mat in the first two cycles. i could try to provide interference immunity to aman in n3 since you keep getting blocked.

what exact type of vote manip? and any night role?

@Kasimir, is there any way an action can fail without the person being roleblocked? @DrakeMarshall, yo what happened to your vig kill? @Amanuensis, yeah we can target the same person in consecutive cycles but if you trolled in both cycles, then you lost the coin toss both the times. troll and roleblock on same ooa. who is ups??? also what exactly did silho claim? currently slightly more sus on silho than archer.

my action failed -.- i attempted to roleblock archer. I assume the other roleblocker blocked me. kas said earlier in the game that when two actions in the same order of actions interact, it's down to a coin toss, so I assume i lost one.

to clarify, troll!roleblock does not provide immunity to my target if my target is trolled. it is not termed as interference. it only provides interference against roleblocks and possible redirects.

sure but grant immunity to whom? if there isnt a good target for that, id rather try to block the elim kill. if steel like e, then 2 evils are to be likely on walin - steel plus 1 out of [mat, shining] if walin is e, then 2 evils likely to be on steel - 2 out of [archer, ashbringer, tkn] if the train is v/v, then hmm my likely guess would be within [archer, ash, mat, shining]. also pardon for not coming on for the later half of last cycle. thursdays and fridays are very hectic for me and i overslept beyond rollover today morning. need to read if we asked tkn to vote or if they did it by themselves because i see evils saving their vote for later.

smh i guess the cons of a long thread is you might miss to read some posts xD also im guessing silho has a role something like - if you vote on yourself, you are protected from removal. bcause theyve only been voting on themselves after they became the main train. both the times.

>> now im doubting that orlok village scan also, how did bookwyrm scan striker n1 when striker died d1?

>> its just mad watcher speak for connection

tani connesion - bookwyrm asks whom to poke vote on. stick suggests tani. bookwyrm insists to vote on fae, the newcomer. tani votes wizard. asks for pm from archer. mat votes tani for voting on wiz. archer mentions he hasnt gotten around to making that tani pm. archer votes alongside tani to make it striker(3)/archer(3)/walin(2)/fadran(2)/wiz(2) hmm i think 24 hrs left in the cycle. orlok asks why tani dies. hmm doesnt seem very e/e tani claims rper tani claims she did not use it in n1 not going any further, but that initial bookwyrm interaction is making me sideye them a little. as ada said, what is the point in rbing him and leaving bookwyrm alone to scan?