honorblades

This part is super throwing me for a loop. So let's recap: But then: So The Heavenly Ones do need Voidlight to fly (and normally they will never run out), but if they are drained by healing or Lashing, they can't fly anymore. Interesting. - Of all the Fused we have seen, they appear to have access to a single Surge, if any. Never two, like the Radiants. - The Heavenly Ones can fly forever, and only use Voidlight for healing or Lashing (and possibly lashing themselves to gain speed?). - That new teleporting Fused we saw appears to be using Transportation or perhaps Transformation, but he did use Voidlight when doing so, because he kept having to refuel. So what is the conclusion here? - All Fused can use a single Surge, but some consume Voidlight to do so and some don't. I don't like this, as it feels inconsistent. - All Fused can use a single Surge, but certain applications of that Surge are "free" while others cost Voidlight. This feels right to me, but we need more info. - What we have seen from the Fused is a mix between Surgebinding and Voidbinding, and we don't know enough about VB to tell the difference yet. This also feels plausible. It's so early in the book still.. Need more chapters T.T

They know a lot, but not quite all. I believe this is similar to Rosharans knowing that the Knights Radiant betrayed their oaths, but not knowing why. I think the question of how exactly these mortal beings came into their immense power is quite important, and will change people's perceptions of their gods.

Today I would like to make a guess about a greater Cosmere idea that Brandon is foreshadowing to us using a pivotal moment from the Stormlight Archive. The evidence I have is mainly thematic. Let's start with a quote from Khriss: Khriss is talking to Kelsier, alluding to the nature of the Shards of Adonalsium as mere men and women. People who seized power and became something more. Brandon talks broadly about the bigger themes that he is writing into the Cosmere in this article, among them being that Warbreaker is meant to foreshadow something greater: This leads me to a thought; what if the Recreance on Roshar is foreshadowing a future event when people in the Cosmere become aware of the true nature of the Shards? Now, to be clear, I am not referring to the actual action of the Knights Radiant breaking their oaths, but rather to them gaining the knowledge that would eventually break them. The Recreance was an event that doubtless had multiple causes. The Radiants learning the true nature of humans on Roshar (that Surgebinders had destroyed Ashyn, were the original Voidbringers and, according to Honor, were bound to destroy Roshar as well) was only part of what lead to the downfall of the Order as a whole. However, I believe this event is a hint towards how many people will act once it is widely known in the Cosmere that 16 people killed God and usurped his power. I can only imagine the fallout from that revelation would be destructive & immense. I think that Brandon hints at this eventuality with groups, cultures, and persons who do seem to have some sort of knowledge of Adonalsium. In certain societies, the there is a sort of cultural memory pertaining to a God that existed before the Shards. This is heavily debated, of course, but I contend that the Iriali's belief in the One, and the various mentions of The God Beyond are examples of this. Now, it's not as if this knowledge is completely unknown at our current point in the timeline. Of course all of the original Vessels know of their own origins, and we can assume that new Vessels such as Harmony have a pretty good handle of their Shards history as well. There are certain informed scholars, such as Khriss, who seem to know quite a lot. And of course there are outliers like Hoid or Frost, who have just been alive forever. My point is simply that by and large, the vast majority of people in the Cosmere are unaware of the various Shards and the origin of their power. Alright, let me wrap up the argument I've laid out here with a summary: Once we hit Space Age Cosmere (or possibly sometime earlier, depending on technological advancements) the majority of cultures will be able to rapidly communicate and share information. During this time, it will become known that the Shards of Adonalsium are just that - mortal beings who murdered God and stole his power. What happens after that is anyone's guess, but I imagine it will be chaotic. Please let me know what you think, and thank you for reading. Special thanks to Pevin-son-Kalak on Discord & @asmodeus for their help with a little bit of research I couldn't seem to find.

That would be Galladon (Grump; an Elantrian from Sel), Demoux (Thinker; an Atium misting and general from Mistborn Era 1) , and Baon (Blunt; a soldier and Sand Master from Taldain).

As much as I dislike authors leaning into the whole "chosen one" thing, I do agree there is definitely something going on here. Kaladin seems destined to be more than just the leader of the Windrunners.

This was a great chapter, what a lovely surprise to get a spren viewpoint! A couple thoughts. 1. Everyone here and on Discord seems sort of put-off by Plate being made up of lesser spren. I am not sure why, that always seemed very well-foreshadowed to me, and it makes sense in my head.. Oh well. I, for one, am happy that we finally got confirmation of that. 2. Man so much Bondsmith stuff. A Bondsmith (or someone with the same powers) brought over the people from Ashyn, discovered the Nahel bond, etc. This messes with the already-messy First Desolation timetable a lot, I think. 3. Kaladin as a surgeon again.... Hmm. I really hope he finds his stride and gets less mopey this book. I am also wondering why Urithiru needs very many surgeons when they have people with Regrowth like Lift and Renarin? In any case, I hope that the Windrunners can still fulfill their typical purpose as scouts and such even with Kaladin taking his doctor sabbatical, or whatever this turns out to be.

I love this. Very clever. Now I'm imagining a campy spy thriller about a Windrunner and a Lightweaver, and every time they almost get caught they just stick themselves to the ceiling

Nice I had no idea, thank you!

Intro The Heralds, as we all know, were once normal men & women who were offered the chance to become something greater by Honor. They were granted the Honorblades, allowing them each the use of two Surges, along with other abilities. Upon death, the Heralds are returned to Braize to endure torture until one of their number breaks, which initiates another Desolation. We know that during the first few Desolations, many hundreds or thousands of years would have passed between the last time the Heralds returned to Roshar. Often, the Heralds would have to progress society rapidly in order to get them prepared for the coming war. This alone would have most likely been enough to convince many of the Herald's divine nature, however I suspect others would need a more direct demonstration. The Heralds have two distinct advantages when it comes to feats of unnatural power: First, the Heralds were directly powered by Honor. This means that they did not need to rely on stormlight stored in gems, and also implies that they would be able to use a greater amount of stormlight at once than a regular Radiant. Second, the Heralds occasionally swapped Honorblades. Additionally, it is possible to wield more than one Honorblade at once. My proposition is that this mixing of Surges greatly influenced the deification of the Heralds, due to the miraculous feats they could achieve, beyond that of a normal Surgebinder or even a Knight Radiant. Allow me to present some examples. The Surge of Transportation Jasnah, an Elsecaller, uses her Surge of Transportation to Soulcast from a distance, without physically touching the object she is changing. I believe this application of Transportation would apply to any of the Surges that usually require touch, such as Cohesion, Adhesion, or Regrowth . . . This is actually an incorrect assumption, please disregard along with the following example. But my ultimate point about mixing Surges still stands, damnation it! Transportation & Progression Regrowth is a powerful application of the Surge of Progression that allows healing and even resuscitation, but is limited to the user physically touching the recipient. However, let us imagine that the Herald Vedel (Progression & Abrasion) borrowed her Honorblade to the Herald Battar (Transformation & Transportation), allowing the latter to use both Honorblades at once. This, along with presumably unlimited Stormlight provided by Honor, would allow Battar to heal many people remotely. She could perhaps heal an entire army at once this way. Adhesion & Abrasion Adhesion, a Surge that sticks things together, and Abrasion, a Surge that can be used to ignite and degrade matter, including humans. Perhaps a Herald wielding these two Surges could stick many enemy's feet to the ground at once, locking them in place, and then use Division to set the ground alight. There are many different applications of these mismatched Surges, and I believe that these incredible feats of power (along with the Herald's normal prodigious use of the Honorblades) greatly contributed to their staying power in the minds of the people of Roshar. I would love to hear your ideas on the different ways the Surges could be combined in non-organic ways (that is, combinations that do not currently exist in the Radiant Orders). As always, thank you for reading, and I hope that you had to google apotheosis, a fun new word I learned today while researching this topic

So I am really new here, I don't exactly have a long history of interactions to pull from, but here goes. I really do love this place, I find myself absently reading articles on Coppermind or wild theories here on the forum more and more. Even if I don't say anything, I'm on the Discord server every day. I have never been a part of a community like this before and it is such an awesome feeling to be able to interact with the people who are just as passionate about the Cosmere as I am. I'll be here to stay, for sure. I'd like to give a specific shout out to @R J on the forums - whether it's in my own threads or others, your comments never fail to bring something new to the table for me. Your positivity is infectious. And another to @asmodeus, mainly on the Discord. As you well know, you're the reason I created an account here in the first place! Thanks man! Happy Anniversary everyone.

Here is my theory about Truthwatcher surges

Ooo wow I really like this explanation. I don't know why it has never occurred to me that scene also used Illumination, thank you for this.

I went back and checked, you are totally right! When Renarin uses Regrowth to heal Adolin's wrist: It is very interesting catch. This seems to imply that seeing this perfected version of someone else may be related to Spiritual Illumination, not a combo of Illumination and Transformation as I had previously thought.

Today I would like to share a little idea that has been bouncing around in my head for a few weeks, regarding the nature of the Truthwatcher Radiant surges. Let's get this out of the way first: Renarin is one of the only Truthwatchers we have seen use their powers on screen, however as he has bonded a corrupted spren, it is not exactly clear which power (or lack of power) is due to him being Truthwatcher, or due to the influence of Sja-Anat. My main point here being that Renarin seems unable to use the surge of Illumination at all, but to me that does not indicate that Truthwatchers in general are unable use Illumination. Radiant Surges As we all know, the Radiant Orders share a single surge with the neighboring orders, with each order having a unique combination of two. Surges work largely the same between orders, with some examples being: Bondsmiths and Windrunners: can use Adhesion to stick things together Windrunners and Skybreakers: can use Gravitation to fly (read: fall) Truthwatchers and Edgedancers: can use Progression to heal others Elsecallers and Lightweavers: can use Transformation to Soulcast Elsecallers and Willshapers: can use Transportation to enter the Cognitive Realm at will Etc, etc. There are a few more but I wont list them all here. I think that the existing correlations between orders strongly implies that a regular Truthwatcher will be able to create illusions. We also see that each Order has a sort of synergy with their specific surges. Some examples of that include: Lightweavers using Transformation to add a physical weight & presence to their illusions Elsecallers being able to Soulcast without physically touching an object Additionally, we have seen some Radiants use a surge in a way that is different than how another order uses it. Case in point: Dalinar using Spiritual Adhesion. Now, it is entirely possible that Windrunners also have access to this application of the surge, but if so we have not seen that on screen yet. Similarly, this could be a result of Dalinar being a somewhat.. special version of a Bondsmith. However my point here is that in certain cases, surges can work differently for the different Radiant Orders, and I believe Truthwatchers are able to use "Spiritual Illumination" in a way that Lightweavers might not be able to. How it applies to Truthwatchers Lightweavers are known to uplift the spirits of those around them, and Shallan in particular is able to see a sort of "spiritual ideal" that a person is capable of becoming. I think this is due to Lightweavers being able to use a Spiritual aspect of Transformation to gain insight to how a person might grow and change. This has always given Lightweavers a more positive bias in my mind - but what about the opposite? We see in Oathbringer that Shallan is capable of creating horrifying illusions, but I think that application of Lightweaving makes much more sense coming from a Truthwatcher. I think Truthwatchers seem to be able to "see" through people in a way, for example a Truthwatcher may be able to tell when someone is lying . . .Or perhaps in the same way that a Lightweaver is able to see what a person dreams of becoming, a Truthwatcher would be able to see what a person fears. Using illusions not to distract, but as a source of fear & chaos on the battlefield. Any readers of a certain as-of-yet-unreleased book might know what I am talking about here. The idea that started this train of thought for me was basically this: Lightweavers lift the spirits of others, but what if there was a Horror Lightweaver? Someone who could create the illusion of being surrounded by terrors - and perhaps specifically the horrors you yourself fear the most. The more I thought about it, the more it made sense to me that this fits the Truthwatchers more than the Lightweavers. Either would be capable of it, surely, but one is better than the other. Thanks for reading! Let me know if this is plausible at all or if I am completely off my rocker. See you in the comments.

What a great read. I'm so happy to be a part of this community, here's to 10 more years!

I am a bit late to this, but I don't think it is a given that any Elantrian that enters the pool near Elantris automatically becomes part of the Ire. The Ire seem to be a group, and I would expect that an Elantrian would be able to join, but could refuse if they want. We just don't really know enough yet.

Ooo, good point.

Sort of weird that no one is able to "push" stormlight into it though right? Not even Dalinar. That suggests to me that a Highstorm wouldn't charge it either, and that some other mechanism is involved.

I am wondering if perhaps the gemstone pillar in Urithiru was directly infused by Cultivation. This would be similar to how Odium seems to provide Voidlight directly to the Fused, or how the Heralds were powered directly by Honor when he still lived.

I generally agree that Nohadon was probably a Bondsmith, although I think it's a bit weird that the Stormfather wouldn't have mentioned that as he certainly would have been aware of that info if it were true. Bondsmiths do seem to be the most likely to have been leaders or kings, so that part checks out. Also, welcome to the forums!

Oh wow I just looked this up, of course I knew of Riino but I had no idea it was confirmed he was a member of the Ire! Thank you for this, very interesting.

For me personally, even though I think they are really cool, I would have to go with the Sleepless. An entire person (or... something else) made out of bugs?? Gross man.

I have always thought it was like this: 16% of Scadrians have Allomantic potential, however that 16% require varying levels of anguish in order to Snap, and so they will also have varying levels of Allomantic ability in terms of power. Now what I'm curious about is if the 16% rule still holds true in the post-catacendre era, where the mixing of Feruchemical and Allomantic bloodlines has reached its lower limit.

So Elantris was built as an amplifier for the power of the Dor which is present in that location - the Dor being the Splintered remains of Devotion and Dominion in the cognitive realm. This would make leaving via that shardpool very difficult, I would think.

You are certainly correct on this one, but it's just so.. evil. I am also wondering exactly how much experimentation would be required to correctly steal the attributes you want from someone - didn't Rashek experiment with it for hundreds of years and only find a few new bind-points?