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Yeah. Which is what normal gemstones do, except through spiritual bonds instead. different sized gemstones are weird. Okay, I have no idea what you are talking about. Are you saying that the both gemstones are the same object on a quantum level, and thus have equal mass? if so, which mass is it? do they have the smaller mass or the larger mass? Does it change based on which gemstone has force applied to it? what happens when both gemstones have force applied to them at the same time? Yeah, but this is a book. why would Brandon write Navani stating something that was completely wrong, when he could write her giving an accurate explanation instead? I don't understand what you mean. What additional inertia? Do you mean momentum? Actually, I don't think that the energy is turned back into investiture. It's just like antimatter, except instead of converting matter to energy you convert investiture into energy. The energy might eventually be converted back into investiture somehow, but some of it will probably be lost to entropy first. Maybe. Or maybe investiture can take unusable energy and convert it back into investiture. I don't know how it works.

Okay, I am an idiot. I'm confusing force for energy. Technically, either of us could be right about force multiplying. It is energy that is conserved. Energy is force*distance, or Newtons*meters. After looking at complicated math, I am uncertain of the math behind fabrials, but I am certain that force does not come from nowhere. But the force is transferred. If I push a door open, I'm not touching 90% of the door, but the entire door still moves. That is because the force of my push is transferred to the rest of the door. Also, the objects are not the same. Their mass is different, and if you put five times the energy into an object one/fifth the size, you will get 25 times the acceleration or distance that you would in the other object. Considering her knowledge of fabrial mechanics and physics, I think it is safe to say that she is correct. Why would there need to be a storage system? the same amount of energy applied to a smaller object will move a smaller object more than a larger object. There is a "resistance mechanism" in that you have to push harder on the bigger gemstone to move the smaller one, but it is like gears on a bike. Your pedals have a larger gear compared to the wheels, so although you have to pedal harder than with a smaller gear, you get more speed. That's like saying "cover a car in solar panels that can power it". Not perpetual motion, just constant refueling.

You could just be extra ookla-y and change your username anyways. You could also try asking a mod if they could let you or help you change your name back, I think I saw someone who accidentally got stuck as an ookla get helped that way a year or two ago.

Because magic is weird, and transferring spren across gemstones breaks things? Okay. Do you realize the implications of force multiplication? If you have two gemstones with a mass ratio of 1-5, then moving the larger gemstone will move the smaller one 25 times as far, because 5 times the force is pushed into an object 5 times smaller. However, the size differential is actually bigger than that. Assuming gemstones are spherical, a gemstone with a radius of 1 centimeter has a volume of 0.0005235. . . meters^3. a gemstone such as an extremely large gemheart, with a radius of 20 centimeters, would have a volume of 0.01885. . . meters^3. That is 36 times as large, meaning that moving the larger gemstone one meter would move the smaller one 1,296 meters, almost an entire mile. Do you realize how broken that would be? And before you say that it would only move 36 times as fast, the smaller gemstone has 36 times the force on it, and 1/36 times the mass, meaning that the speed will be the speed has to be 1,296 times as fast. Beyond the physics of it, there is a more important reason that I believe force is conserved. Raboniel mentioned force multiplication, and Navani said that force would likely be conserved. Here's the quote: first of all, Navani says that energy (read force) will be conserved, and that the gemstone will be more difficult to move in proportion to the work done by smaller gemstones. thus, more force is not generated out of thin air, it must come from whatever is pushing the larger gemstone. Second, Navani says that it will take more light. That means that even if force was multiplied, the required energy would be converted from the investiture in the gemstones, not come out of thin air. That means no perpetual motion machine, even if force multiplication was a thing, your machine would just be a car powered by investiture. That said, it occurs to me I really should have looked at that quote earlier, rather than trying to explain the math without explaining why the math is the math.

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But the mass is different. The objects assume that their other half has the same mass as they do. They don't transfer only the force required to move the other gemstone the same amount as they do, they transfer enough force that the other gemstone would move the same distance if it was the same size. Aside from that, what do you assume happens when you move the smaller gemstone? The larger gemstone would move more slowly, right? With force multiplication, why would that occur? Is there force division? is force conserved? if force is conserved, then why would is it conserved one way, but not the other?

Yes, but when you are using gravity, you hook up the larger gemstone to something with enough mass to make the mass of whatever you are pulling irrelevant.

Yes it does. Force equals mass times speed. An object with less mass that has the same amount of force applied to it as an object with more mass will move more. If you need an example, go push on a wall, then push on a chair with the same force. Which moves more?

It tasted like a whisk with an e. In other words, it was absolutely delicious.

Actually, the oathgate on Urithiru wasn't sealed. Shallan merely rotated the oathgate control building, causing the doorway to open into an area that was still covered in crem. The control buildings on Urithiru had much less crem on them, due to the hightsorms rarely reaching the tower.

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I don't think that is the idea, actually. I think the idea is to add "gears" to conjoined fabrial creations. Since no force is created out of thin air, moving the fourth bridge would take basically the same amount of force to move the same speed. While they could decrease the area of the gemstones being pulled, it wouldn't be a huge advantadge if they continued to use chulls. However, they won't continue to use chulls. They will use gravity, like with Kaladin's glove. Only, instead of the maximum acceleration being limited to the acceleration of gravity, and the mininum acceleration being controlled by slowing the fall of the gemstones, the maximum speed will be capped by the size of the gemstones they can find, and the minimum speed will be controlled by having smaller gemstones falling. That makes than conjoined fabrials somehow switching from movement conservation across distances to stormlight to kinetic energy converters. We already have lashings for that.

Well, there is force multiplication in that the energy imparted on one gemstone is dependent on its comparative size with the other gemstone, but that force comes from whatever is moving the gemstone. The force doesn’t come from nowhere.

Exactly. It treats the two conjoined gemstones as one identical object, even when they are different in size.

If it does not multiply force, which would go against every other example of conjoined fabrial mechanics, then this is just about the only explanation that makes sense, and is consistent with normal conjoined fabrials.

Not much of one, because they are using chulls to pull the gemstones. The chulls would be forced to pull more slowly, leading to about the same result. Although they could add more chulls. If you exert force on a small gemstone (5g), half of that force is put onto the big gemstone (40g). Because your force is being halved, you have to exert enough force to move 10g in order to move the small gemstone. Likewise, if you exert force on the 40g gemstone, half of that energy is given to the other gemstone, meaning that in order to move the big gemstone, you must exert enough force to move 80g. Here is what appears to be the conjoined fabrial equation: force exerted/2 = force on gemstone. Each gemstone gets half of the force you put on one of the gemstones. Normally, the gemstones are almost exactly the same mass, so they move almost exactly the same amount, but with larger gemstones and smaller gemstones, the smaller gemstone will move more than the larger gemstone, because it takes more force to move the larger gemstone.

Nah. I'd bet good money that the storms will clash sometime in KoW.

If the mass is different, the same amount of force will result in different speeds. If a gemstone is accelerating at 9.8m/sec^2, as by earth gravity, and is joined to a gemstone that is half the size, the smaller gemstone will accelerate twice as fast, at 19.6m/sec^2. No, because energy and speed are completely different. If two conjoined gemstones of the same size have a mass 5 grams each, then lifting the one of them would feel like lifting a mass of 10 grams. If two conjoined gemstones are different masses, for example if one was 10 grams and the other 30 grams, then you would expect lifting one of them to feel like lifting 40 grams. However, if you life the gem that weighs 30 grams, it will feel like 60 grams. Likewise, if you lift the one that feels like 10 grams, it will feel like lifting 20 grams. Basically, if you put X force into one of the gemstones, it send X/2 force to the other one, and because of the size difference, that force results in the smaller gemstone moving much more than the larger one.

Looks like we have confirmation that drawing stormlight out of a gemstone too quickly will break it:

The speed can be multiplied. For example, Navani could make the glove thing that Kaladin used fly at more than the speed of gravity. Force is not magnified. That goes against basic conjoined fabrial mechanics. Right after inventing it, Raboniel mentions force multiplication, but Navani says that energy will likely be conserved.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like that. The gemstones impart an equal force on each other. The size difference leads to different speeds, as it takes a larger amount of energy to move a larger gemstone at a certain velocity. Force = Mass * Acceleration. say gemstone A is imparted with 15 newtons of force, and has a mass of 5 kg, meaning it accelerates at 3 meters per second. 15N = 5kg * 3meters/second^2. The smaller gemstone then has 15 Newtons of energy imparted to it, and it has a mass of 1 kg. The equation then comes out to 15N = 1kg * 15meters/second^2. 5 times the speed, but the same amount of force.

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Uncle Brandy pulled out his choclate-covered-peanut-butt-pretzal-that-tastes-like-strawberries-inator. "You read my mind!"

I think that we can safely sat that Larkins cannot eat a shardblade, considering that no spren have ever completely died pre-RoW. Larkins might be able to feed off of spren, but they are almost certainly unable to completely kill them.

Granted. I do an excellent job of writing your research paper. What was the topic again? Doesn't matter, I'm not giving it to you anyways. I wish that my research paper will get a good grade.