Honorless

Welcome to the Shard, @mustard! No RoW spoilers outside of the RoW spoiler area!

I remembered I made this in the past: Let's compile what we know of Trelagism and Trellism. 1) Trelagism was a religion on Scadrial during its Classical era, before the Lord Ruler's Ascension. It was practiced by the Nelazan who lived close to the poles. They mapped out the various astronomical bodies visible from Scadrial. 2) They believed that Trell and Nalt were brothers. The latter was jealous of the former and cast his single burning eye (the sun) upon the lands to block out the Thousand Eyes of Trell (the stars) 1) Trellism is the belief in Trell. Is associated with a new metal which is described as silvery with distinctive, dark red spots. It has only been seen used Hemalurgically so far: on Kandra and to create Chimeras 2) Several members of the Set, in both high and low positions, are followers of Trellism, and the organization itself may exist for the purpose of serving Trell. Bleeder was also turned by Trell. 3) Trell has their own Faceless Immortals, who are described as having red eyes. A red miasma is how Harmony chose to represent Trell to Wax in BoM. They are also associated with "men of gold and red, bearers of the final metal" 4) There seems to be a strong element of anti-establishmentarianism in Trellism, namely: freedom from Harmony and social justice from the central government in Elendel or more broadly the Basin Now the most popular theory (and the one that I subscribe to) Trell is Autonomy or one of her Avatars 1) The stated motives of Trell's followers align well with Autonomy's Intent 2) White Sand spoilers 3) Trelagism's reverence for stars aligns well with Autonomy. She seems to currently be inhabiting Taldain's star. 4) The long day/night cycles experienced by the Nelazan is reminiscent of Darkside Dayside division of Taldain 5) Autonomy is said to have multiple Avatars. There is a thematic resonance with worshiping a multitude of astronomical bodies 6) Autonomy's star might be visible from Scadrial. 7) Trell is a Shard we know. It isn't Endowment. Honor, Ambition, Devotion and Dominion are Splintered. This only leaves Cultivation, Odium and Autonomy. The former two are embroiled in the conflict on Roshar. 8) Autonomy is stated to have a habit of interfering on other worlds by Khriss Trell is Odium 1) Has a track record of attacking other Shards. Odium is known to fear Harmony. 2) The break between Stormlight front 5 and back 5, during which the Wax and Wayne era books take place 3) Is known to corrupt Investiture (red) 4) Similarities with religions on Roshar 5) the agents of Trell align with Odium's Intent. 6) Alongside purple and black, gold is a colour associated with Odium. "Men of gold" might also refer to 7) Odium's forces comprise of several beings that may pose as Trell's Faceless Immortals: 8) As per WoB, Odium has visited Scadrial before. -1) Raysium does not look like Trellium -2) Odium is restricted to Roshar. (Note that Taravangian said there were holes in the contract plus Odium might've employed some other methods like sending Splinters or Avatars) Both Autonomy and Odium 1) May have worked together in the past to Splinter Honor, and before that Devotion and Dominion, the former sounds like an opposite to Odium, the latter to Autonomy. 2) possible red herring in a broadsheet in era 2 "Vote for Passion, Vote for Freedom" 3) the break between Stormlight front 5 and back 5

What Order of the Knights Radiant did you get in the official quiz, @Palanaeum?

Sixth of the Dusk is great, definitely keep an eye out for it. Wait, so you read the Cosmere shorts separately (haha, I did the same thing) The Arcanum Unbounded has all the Cosmere shorts collected (except Dawnshard) plus info on the star systems. You have read all the other shorts? Just to double-check: Emperor's Soul, Hope of Elantris, Mistborn: Secret History, Allomancer Jak and the Pits of Eltania, Edgedancer, Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell, Sixth of the Dusk. You can get White Sand by subscribing to Brandon's newsletter! Just go to his site and you'll get an email with the most recent newsletter, it should have a link for you to download White Sand prose!

I wonder... if they are pre-Shattering, that will be interesting and they'll join the vaunted halls of Adonalsium magics alongside Microkinesis (now canonical) and Tzai Blows (which are not yet canon) and Yolish Lightweaving. RoW spoilers RoW Ars Arcana spoilers It would be very appropriate for the Aethers to predate the Shattering of Adonalsium given how it's one of Brandon's oldest magic system ideas.

Hmm I don't think I've ever heard anyone think of it like that. The Singers themselves think of the process as capturing spren within their gemhearts. And that's what Artifabrians do with gemstones too

Are the Dawncities the ones with Oathgates? What about Sesemalex Dar then?

Next books are going to be interesting, we'll see not only Nahel Bonds but whatever is going on between Adolin and Maya, a Seon Bond with Shallan (also Testament and Shallan will go along the same path as Adolin and Maya) and an Aviar Bond with Lift! I wonder if Shallan also managed to turn the Seon in the previous box into a Deadeye. Just kidding, what if what was in the box was the Unmade she accidentally unleashed on the Davar household? It's unlikely but a possibility. Seriously though, the Cryptics really want to Bond her, her family was influenced by the Unmade. Her mother and older brother Helaran had connections to the Skybreakers, her father had connections to the Ghostbloods... there's so much to unpack here still

The latter

So Cusicesh is the spren of Kasitor who was never unmade? It could work but the Unmade seem much more like spren of nature to me. This WoB might support your theory: [major Dawnshard spoilers] And hey, I have my own theory about the sin of the ancient Singers:

Not really, it is canon. Who are your favourite characters?

That is is a great moment, there are so many great moments in these books. Welcome to the Shard! So, have you read all the Cosmere books?

Yes! Emperor's Soul is awesome! Hmm, what's your least favourite Sanderson book, @Palanaeum?

Welcome to the Shard, Stephanie! Wow, you're an old fan of Brandon's! Which Order of the Knights Radiant are you according to the official quiz?

Welcome to the Shard, @Veilure! Be careful on the Shard, don't visit other people's profiles till you've read RoW or you might get spoiled!

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Hehe, welcome aboard!

Thank you!

So, we learn from Leshwi that the ancient Singers apparently did something to anger the spren, current-day spren seem to be much more fine with the Singers, with such a long gap without Desolations and the memory of the Recreance, plus the fact that most of the older spren became Deadeyes during the Recreance. Moving over to the Sibling, they are not fine with fabrials, even though the modern-day spren are fine with it, as fabrials employ non-sapient spren. Fabrials employ gemstones to capture spren... which is also what the Singers do to change their Forms, they capture spren within their Gemhearts. We've seen other creatures with Gemhearts before in the series, notably we've seen the process of Gemheart extraction when Eshonai pulls the Gemheart out of a Chasmfiend. Chasmfiends use spren bonds with Mandra or Luckspren so that they are not crushed by their own weight. These spren are seen flitting around Chasmfiends as well as other Greatshells like the Tai-Na [minor Dawnshard spoilers] We also see them around Skyeels, iirc, who probably use their bond with them to fly. Similarly, Musicspren seem to flit around the Ryshadium who might be in a bond of some kind with them. Though Ryshadium don't have Gemhearts. Spren can be captured in gems the same as Lights because they are made of Investiture. Is the purpose of Gemhearts really to capture spren? Because it would seem you can bond spren without trapping them in Gemhearts. They are attracted to natural phenomena and emotions... and the Rhythms. We saw the Dawnsingers seemingly Stoneshaping by using the Rhythms. We saw Lifespren responding to the Rhythms. Spren, like the Investiture they are made of, respond to the Rhythms. We saw other creatures that have gemhearts and need spren bonds, and they didn't seem to trap spren within their gemhearts. The spren were flitting about freely with them. They extract gemhearts from the Chasmfiends but did they ever find a Luckspren trapped within their Gemheart? We saw Eshonai extract a Gemheart from a Chasmfiend but there was no spren within it. (Would the spren be free upon the creature being killed or only if the gem itself is cracked?) What if the Dawnsingers originally used their Gemhearts to store Light? What if the crime that the ancient Singers committed against the spren which angered them was this? Trapping spren within their gemhearts to change their Forms.

No Brand of Fused have access to Adhesion. Those Ones of the Heavens / Heavenly Ones / Shanay-im use Gravitation. We haven't seen the Brand of Fused that use Division yet. Flowing Ones / Shetel-im use Abrasion. Magnified Ones use Progression. Those Ones of Masks / Masked Ones / Mavset-im use Illumination Those Ones of Alteration / Altered Ones / Fannahn-im use Transformation Those Ones of Husks / Husked Ones / Nex-im use Transportation Those Ones of the Depths / Deep Ones / Makay-im use Cohesion We haven't seen the Brand of Fused that use Tension yet Venli does comment on the Nex-im being the ninth and last Brand of Fused that she saw after their awakening, so the other types are all already on Roshar.

The Fused are not Bonded to Voidspren. They are more akin to spren themselves who take over a body. I don't think capturing a spren in a Gemheart is all that is needed to move off-world, it's just another type of Bond really.

Well done! Maybe the "th" thing is based on sound. The "Th" sound in words like they, them, that, there is represented by "t" + "h" letters, while the "th" sound in words like thought, thanks, theatre, thermal is represented by the "th" letter.

The former but Odium does seem to keep track of his Investiture from Venli not wanting to get Voidlight herself but requisitioning it a̶n̶d̶ ̶T̶a̶r̶a̶v̶a̶n̶g̶i̶a̶n̶ ̶b̶r̶e̶a̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶V̶o̶i̶d̶l̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ ̶s̶p̶h̶e̶r̶e̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶t̶a̶c̶t̶ ̶O̶d̶i̶u̶m̶.̶ Edit: that was Corrupted Windspren, my bad Yeah, I was hoping for Leshwi to become a Radiant actually