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The answer is let the Bishop handle that as they have the Keys for it. They have ways to contact the First Presidency in particularly difficult situations.

That's my belief. That or it's some synergetic ability similar to Reverse lashings

Well that one is easy. You have to hit a very specific region in the heart to take away all of their powers, otherwise you risk only taking away some, or even none of the powers at all. Bindpoints can also be really small, so doing that to someone who can move is basically impossible.

Depends on what you mean by stealth power removal

He made Iyatil look like Formless, and created the illusions that let the Ghostbloods look like the guards before they got sent to the SR. And his anti-stormligh dagger caused Distortions in his illusion. So it wasn't just then being in the SR as he did it in the Cognitive as well, and anti-stormlight reacted to it

Well there are a few problems with the idea that both surges are altered. 1. Orders do have an affinity for particular surges, following a pattern along the order chart 2. Mraize as an enlightened Lightweaver could make Illusions just like Shallan could, something Renarin cannot do.

They can control where they form, however Leras was basically non-functional

Take your pick I was expecting lighthearted fun about burying Dawnshards on asteroids or something, but the first one happens to be murder. Okay.

No wall is unbreachable, no watch omniscient, no defense is perfect, every Achilleas has a heel. We're still going to try. Taking a spin off of the "To kill a [Blank]" threads, instead we have a different objective. You have a Dawnshard and must protect it from anyone who would seek to abuse it. A few rules You do not know if anyone has a Connection allowing them to track the Dawnshard, you may make assumptions at your own peril You cannot trust any existing organizations with it, they must be assumed to want it for their own ends We will assume you have access to vast resources and can reasonably acquire most any materials you want. You may use the Dawnshard to create its hiding place, but cannot store it with anyone who could use its power. You must prevent anyone from abusing the Dawnshard, including yourself. How would you protect it?

However long you're here for, I'm down for it. Spying I could see, however that wasn't Jasnah's initial plan. And if no one attacked her she wouldn't have killed anyone. There's little substantive difference between this and going to Liss planning to assassinate Aesudan other than that the thieves attacked her. Yes, and while it might not have been LEGAL, I see no moral difference between the country and an individual. If she had been a skybreaker would you have been okay with it? I don't remember her saying that it was for love of Elhokar, but even if in WaT she did say that, I don't think that had any actual bearing on her decision. During her PoV for WoR she doesn't once think on Elhokar's feelings during the situation, and this wouldn't be the first time Brandon has had characters misremember things on purpose. You're throwing shade at the British and didn't invite me?

I had decided to not continue here, but for you my friend I will make an exception. I don't consider killing someone because they MIGHT be destabalizing to be either logical nor moral. Now if Jasnah had known about Aesudan's secret societies and that she would use Yelig-nar I could see your point, but she had no idea about that. Cold blooded implies some level of innocence to them. Entrapment as discussed in the other thread on the footpads does not apply as Jasnah would need to encourage them to do something they otherwise weren't intending to do. Their repeated assaults in that alleyway proves that it was something they had already been doing. To call what Jasnah did as entrapment would eliminate all sting operations as entrapment as well. And treating them like educational tools was exactly what public executions were. I'd disagree, if Ivory hadn't bonded Jasnah and dropped her into the CR she would have killed Aesudan, her stated reason for not doing so was that she was too confused to try upending things at that moment. Afterwards she had other things to deal with. Renarin managed to save himself, but as his vision showed Jasnah was more than willing to kill him. That's like saying I should have a plan to assassinate my employer if I think they plan on firing me. Fen was every bit as much of a threat to Jasnah as my employer is to me, and I have every bit as much reason to suspect my employer to turn on me as Jasnah did Fen. It would still be wrong.

Emberdark spoilers are allowed now so I can add a few more The Evil Invested missiles Dragons Animals/venom from Patji Shoot anti-investiture beams at them

Perhaps, however we have absolutely no indication of how the Bands were made. We know that they differ from traditional medallions in a few ways: giving allomancy, having more than four powers, draining with no current explanation. They're tied to Kelsier but he couldn't have made them using the method the Malwish know as Aalik said that the creator would need all of the powers in order to do so. I highly suspect that off world investiture such as Dor was used in the creation of the bands, however I have no way to prove it. I intend to consider the bands their own thing until we get more information. That's a possibility with compounded nicrosil. However I don't think that Thunderclasts would be bothered. Even with compounded iron they easily outweigh a fullborn, and the fullborn isn't strong enough to break them apart. We have no indication how long she was storing speed for, or how large of metalminds that she got from the steelrunner before spiking her. Could a Fullborn easily be averaging 60+mph? Sure. 200? Possibly. Mach speeds I really don't think that's sustainable. A-Aluminum is also a death sentence if you have someone else ready for a follow up. F-gold would be very useful, but if they aren't tapping it when they get stabbed there isn't anything they can do.

I meant stab their cognitive aspect while they are in the PR. The bands are weird, and we don't know how they were made. I don't think that a normal Fullborn could do that all too often. And normal stormlight is considered a counterpart to Mist, so I think that suppression would work just fine even if they could burn metals at mistpoint. They can drain at a distance as seen by Chiri-Chiri and the masked one in OB. And I mean, sure they could kill a lot, but thousands of them? And even with steel at a maximum they won't be moving at mach speeds for more than a few seconds. I don't think that hammers were all that useful so much as, "This is better than a spear." Only Shardblades have been seen to take them down. And I'd say that they only need to hit the Fullborn once and crush them for that to be the end of it. Heck even Heralds died to Thunderclasts, so just raw strength and healing isn't enough. I think Lift dropping a Feruchemist despite not being trained serves as an excellent reason it would work just fine. They have to get past the shardblade first, and I don't think they could shatter plate with one hit, even shardhammers need a few in the same spot. Aluminum is commonly used for tasers Perhaps, along with the Fullborn's arm. Even with massive increases in strength, without the leverage of having the freedom to move there isn't much they can do. Especially when you can easily make it fifteen feet around. Well assuming Dalinar he has the space within spaces and can trap the Fullborn in time dilation. The Sibling's bondsmith is in Urithiru and has unlimited Towerlight, so even with Chromium that's a no go.

Heh, yeah. I really should know not to trust my autocorrect by now.

I think we've crossed a line here. I move to table the discussion before this gets more heated

I can Elsegate to Mars! I'll put SpaceX out of business before they even start taking paying customers! That's genious!

Well

Oh this is easy, I have a number of ways Get another Nalthian shardblade like Azure's sword, and stab them in the cognitive realm. Alternatively just grab an Elantrian and use Aon Tia to teleport them into space. Have an Elsecaller drop them into the CR and they sink to the bottom and drown. Build a suppression fabrial attuned to Preservation and turn their powers off. Nuke/anti-investiture bomb them. Have a Sleepless with a lot of near Larkin hoards swarm them and drain their metals Thunderclast Yelig-nar. They aren't as powerful with allomancy(and thus compounding) as TLR was, so any Fourth ideal or higher Radiant would be a good shot Machine gun with Aluminum bullets Tasers. Literally just normal tasers. Shades Soulcastering the air around them into aluminum. Bondsmiths. I can keep going

How are you better at saying my own thoughts than I am. That's what Taravangian accused her of, Cultivation just said that Adonalsium was causing problems without elaborating. Probably still murder. He was on the ground crying. That doesn't speak to betrayal, but she still wanted to kill him. I can't think of a more just reason to go to war than someone violating a treaty for peace on the day it's signed and assassinating your king, admitting to it, refusing to elaborate and then leaving. You can consider it a genocide if you want, but it really wasn't. This is just ad hominin. This doesn't once address an argument but focuses entirely on an attack against the character of anyone who disagrees. On top of that it's completely untrue. Nobody on this form has any problem with Vin, but there are a lot who will tell you that Kelsier is a dangerous psychopath. Now that's a mistborn discussion not suited for the Stormlight forum, but I thought I'd bring it up. Well if attempting violence against people regularly and reliably results in your death, the idiots who would do it anyway die off, and the sensible people who can run a cost benefit analysis decide to not assault others. In the long run overall death declines dramatically. They were trying to rape and murder her. This wasn't some mistake from someone who had too much to drink. How so? Believing people are superior/inferior based upon whatever particular distinction creates said classes. That has nothing to do with having the basic risk management needed to say that someone with more power can cause you a whole lot more problems if you aren't careful.

I've seen a few of these, this one is certainly better in my mind as the Set would have at one point or another tried getting Lerasium for it. I still think the difference was that Wax used a Hemalurgic spike instead of normal Trellium, but this is an interesting idea.

It objectively doesn't as murder is a legal definition. I would argue it also results in less death as well, but this is getting too close to politics again. There are more self-defense laws in various locations than I can count. What might be required by law for you might not be required for me and vis versa. And legal doesn't necessarily mean moral. Without access to Kharbranthian legal codes I can't say if what Jasnah did was legal or not. I can say however that I see no moral grounds to condemn Jasnah for what she did. That's not her being classist, that's her victims having different levels of power. Sorry I didn't explain that well. Jasnah is willing to kill anyone to get what she wants because she assumes that she's already thought of everything and there's nothing more for her to learn. Elhokar is driven by his insecurities, Jasnah by her perceptions of her own infallibility. No, Sadeas accusing Dalinar of losing his stomach to fight. That was the whole plot of Dalinar in WoK. Everyone was saying that the Blackthorn had gone soft, his visions had driven him mad. Sadeas asks him in WoR if he can still feel the Thrill, Adolin's friends no longer believe that Dalinar is the great soldier he's made out to be etc etc.

Update: Our second battle is in Awakener vs. 3rd ideal Edgedancer

The RPG is heavily altered in the mechanics on several other instances. For example soulcasting something into fire is not more difficult than other essenses. Additionally Pozen and Szeth both make Elsegates between non-perpendicularities, as does Ishar in the flashbacks. Indeed Pozen had to have been making them all over Shinovar in order to gather the army needed to defeat Szeth.

A single mining dump truck would set me back hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars. That's not even counting the drills and excavation machinery either. Or the amount of legal work you need to do to mine rare earth metals in the US. The red tape alone would require an army of lawyers to get through. Shipping on the other hand I only need to rent two warehouses, get a few friends and some semi-trucks. The entire thing will cost less than one piece of high end mining machinery. I can start small with just a few locations doing cross country shipping between CA/Texas/NY, and slowly expand from there.