Impact

On 10/7/2021 at 2:21 PM, DougTheRug said:

I just looked up Phillipino stick fighting which would be a good reference for this. The typical length looks to be about 28 inches and they seem to be dual wielded. If those sticks are a model for the dueling canes, then they can easily folded/collapsed in half to fit in someone's fake stomach and we also know that they can wielded effectively. 

I think later on they mention shorter canes, so i'm starting to believe more the "Rosharan chicken" ie they use the term cane for both a walking stick length and a baton length.

On 10/8/2021 at 3:12 AM, Spoon said:

His fake stomach is a perpendicularity and he stores it in the cognitive realm

I see no faults in this logic.  you win

In SoS, when at the Governor's party at ZoBell tower, Wayne says he hides his dueling canes in his fake belly.  how short do you think they are?  I always assumed they were around 3/3.5 feet long, but to hide in a fake stomach, they'd have to be more like batons.  Is this kind of like a Roshar Chicken situation, where the term dueling cane is used "one size fits all"?

Ok the most recent WOB shardcast they talk about how investiture can be stored in gems, but only stormlight can be infused by leaving it in a storm, and void light cannot, and presumably mist light (Scadrial) or gift light (Naththis) cannot. 
 

I think that has to do with the fact that Honor’s perpendicularity is in some way tied to the storms and the Stormfather. 
 

In theory, maybe bringing gems to the Well of Ascension, the emerald pool above Elantris or Endowment’s perpendicularity will allow gems to be infused with their respective lights. 
 

it is possible that it here has to be an intention to infuse the gems as well, but this is at least how I can see a passive system working 

33 minutes ago, LewsTherinTelescope said:

Why not say Gravitation for that, or something like Cohesion or Tension that acts directly upon bonds? And why doesn't Cultivation have anything similar? Why can Honor grant Division, which seems directly opposed to him? And perhaps most importantly, why does the Nightwatcher grant Adhesion, when she should be pretty much the most Cultivationy spren we have? Also:

 

If Preservation could "fuel" Hemalurgy, I see no reason Odium could not grant Adhesion. 

I don't recall any examples of this, which are you talking about?

I could swear that the fused mentioned being unable to use Adhesion because it was granted by Honor alone. The physical aspect part was more my reasoning why and can totally be wrong 

Edit: Rabonial says “they claim a tenth, of honor alone. adhesion is not a true surge, but a lie that was presented to us” (chp 32)

I don’t believe the lie part, because I feel like it’s the Fused being salty, but they seem to think it is of honor alone. 

13 hours ago, Kyn said:

That would actually make a ton of sense.

Except the Fused only get one. So maybe that’s related to the differences between a gemheart bonding and a Nahel Bond. Extrapolating from the OP’s idea of Ancient Singers Bonding High Spren in their gemhearts,  the Spren may well have decided to go with humans because of the increased freedom and capability Leuthie points out and the increased power they could invest to humans.

I meant that lining up the True Spren with the surges was harder than I thought because how do you determine which Spren offers which surge. 

16 hours ago, LewsTherinTelescope said:

Could be. Would also provide another alternate explanation for why there's no Adhesion Fused, as well (I simply do not believe Odium truly is incapable of granting it, because it goes against everything else we've been told about how granting powers works).

If so, perhaps if they died with those bonds still active, the separation of spren and singer spiritwebs left a temporary gap Odium was able to fill in, if he acted quickly enough?

Adhesion is supposed to be only accessible to Honor, because of the physical representation of a bond. 
 

also, I don’t think the Fused died with the bonds, they split with the True Spren and then became Fused later

At the end of RoW, Leshwi asks Venli if her spren knows a specific honorspren.

Honorspren are obviously related to Windrunners, who seem like the counterparts to Heavenly Ones

This makes me wonder if all the brands had bonded a true spren before becoming fused, and that spren influenced what brand they became.  I don’t mean a Nahel bond, but more like a gemheart bond.  So like all the Heavenly Ones had Honorspren in their gemhearts, Masked ones had mistspren, regrow the would have Cultivationspren, the abrasion ones had Ashspren, division would be Highspren, transformation would be Cryptics, Husk ones would be Elsecallers, Deep ones would be Reachers, and whatever has tension would be Peakspren.

I know its not perfect, because obviously the spren each grant 2 surges normally, but I still feel like there is something there.

I’m sure this theory has been floated some way or another, but its been itching at the back of my brain for a few days now.

27 minutes ago, GroundPetrel said:

I'm honestly kinda surprised that Rlain didn't fit more into Bridge Four, Kaladin and the others seemed to have fully embraced him by the end of Words of Radiance.  

In OB, it showed how they tried, but often would forget him, or do that minority "*you're one of the good ones*" thing, which, even if they didn't mean it, kind of put him on the outside of them.

On 12/14/2020 at 3:43 AM, GameOfGroans said:

Well, Testament is supposed to be deadeyes by then, and Pattern was just starting with Shallan.

It's likely that she made it to level 3 or something with Testament, but then had to start all over again with Pattern. I don't remember her ever actually saying the immortal words, though. I just presumed that a relatively simple truth was taken as the first ideal.

I like your last idea, but RoW says there are still memories to be recovered, and they are not likely to be nice.

I had a similar thought after reading a bunch of these theories.  What if she never had to reswear the Immortal Words with Pattern, but instead was able to use an extra truth to facilitate the bond.  Pattern was way dumber at that point than Syl was at Kaladin's second Ideal

42 minutes ago, Ookla the Disproportionate said:

I guess? I don’t really have a problem with Rlain in RoW, his outcastyness makes sense there, although it is blatantly the single aspect of his character that is focused on in that entire book. The reveal that he is also gay, and also going to be in a relationship with the other outcasty character, makes me think that this is all Brandon is going to focus on for him. 

I mean, it kind of makes perfect sense to me.  The outcasts spend time together because they both feel unaccepted, and feelings develop.  That's pretty logical to me

I'll admit I didn't find Renarin as obvious, but in RoW, Rlain mentions how "mateform never went well" and that one stood out to me.  So I didn't really find this as a surprise, even if I didn't connect the dots myself.  

I'm not sure why they being gay is such a big deal to people?  Is it "cramming it in" that we have so many major hetero characters? BS literally crammed in the fact that Kaladin had a failed relationship into like 2 sentences and a couple throw backs, and he has depression.  Not sure why someone can be depressed and hetero but someone can't be autistic and gay...

I was going to say that the Unmade have been on Roshar, but then i realized that maybe during the previous times between desolations they weren't.

4 minutes ago, Quantus said:

You have it backwards on the list: Eshonai's is the Flame-like blade, and Heleran's Blade is the one that sounds like the Willshaper one from the picture.  

Whoops!  brain fart.  good catch

4 minutes ago, Quantus said:

 

Here's the complete list of Blades we know about, but details are few:

https://coppermind.net/wiki/Shardblade#Known_Shardbearers

Id guess Eshonai's "Flame-like" blade is a dustbringer.  

 

The only other one I think we can make a guess on is the one Kaladin "won" back in Amaram's Army.  For that one Im guessing it's a Willshaper, simply because it sounds almost exactly like Willshaper blade in the new official artwork: "Thick, curved, one edge in shape of flames or ripples, a gem stone set at the pommel. Etchings all along its surface."

 

I was using that list to try and figure it out originally.  But those are good thoughts. Going on the list

16 hours ago, RShara said:

 

We know that they don't. Shallan's eyes are still blue. Basically, the portion of the spiritweb that's responsible for eye color can only be changed once.

 

39 minutes ago, Quantus said:

Sweet! Thanks, Im going to have to stare at this one for a while.  Im still trying to work out what the realmic significance of Color actually it, and supposedly the eye color thing and color's role in Awakening are connected. 

That's definitely weird to wrap my head around, but makes sense.  I didn't think they did. but I couldn't remember.  

Back to the original premise!  Any ideas about other shardblades?

1 hour ago, Quantus said:

There's a tiny bit of wriggle-room in that it's specific about Darkeyes, so from this we couldnt say whether somebody that is already Lighteyes might have their eye-color changed without actually being lightened.

That's true.  They do never mention lighteyes changing colors.  Maybe there is something about them not

Like, did Dalinar and Shallan's eyes change to yellow and purple?

14 minutes ago, Quantus said:

As far as I can tell, both.  But I dont think we have an example on-stage to prove it yet.    

 

 

That WOB looks pretty convincing

@Quantus @RShara

Is that just for surgebinders and live shardblades, or all of them?

21 minutes ago, RShara said:

Moash's eyes turned a pale tan, didn't they? So it should be a Stoneward blade.

That isn't based on the holder's original eye color? I assumed he just had dark brown.  And when someone's eyes turn blue they had dark dark blue.  

Do we have a list of what dead shardblades are expected to belong to what order, based on description?  I thought it would be a cool exercise.

Here's what I have based on what is known or suspected

Mayalaran - Edgedancer (known)

Firestorm - Dustbringer (suspected due to flamelike design)

Moash's blade - Edgedancer (suspected due to vine design) [See below]

Sunraiser - Windrunner (suspected due to the ten radiant glyphs following a "leadership" theme)

Edits:

Moash's blade - Stoneward because his eyes turned tan

Oathbringer - Stoneward (WoB)

Eshonai's Blade - Possibly Dustbringer - flamelike design

Heleran's Blade - Possibly Willshaper based on description

Any other guesses?

1) Welcome @Blind Radiant!

2) There are very clear examples in the books where spren chose their bonds based on personality rather than skill.  By any metric of ability, Dalinar should be a Dustbringer because he is basically living destruction in war.  But his personality (in recent years) is of a unifier, which is why he became a Bondsmith.  Ym and Stump don't seem much like warriors, and but their personalities lend them to being Radiants (Ym looks for truth in religion, and Stump looks for it literally in trying to suss out children's lies). Renarin has epilepsy.  theoretically, that should keep him off the battlefield, but no one seems to question him.

3) Seeing eye spren? Don't see why that wouldn't work

4) Leaders aren't always on the battlefield.  Scholars can have things read to them (like every Vorin man).  Not all art is paint. etc.

There is a lot more to go into, but i'm not great at articulating myself right now

Windrunner, willshaper, stoneward

1 hour ago, Quantus said:

There is a "form" they are born into before they take their first Form as teenagers (or their equivalent youth anyway). Th restored Singers might be that at the moment.  I also thought that they mentioned somewhere in WoR that i want to say Dullform was the default form they would take if they failed to attract a spren for one of the other Forms, and was a more common occurrence while they were trying to rediscover new Forms.  

It doesn't seem like it would be Dullform that they get, because the restored singes don't seem to have the diminished mental state that is associated with it.  Though it could be that in comparison to slaveform, they are downright brilliant.

I would assume something like nimbleform or something as the default, but that's just how I read it

Holy Damnation, this post is amazing.  I used to do this with TV shows, and now I want to do this with every book I read...

Hammers that suddenly increase gravity right before impact, kind of like the gravity hammers in Halo 3

As just overly large, ornate swords, I guess.  Kind of like some of the weapons in RWBY, but bigger.

The Plate I just pictured Medieval armor, but like, fancy as storms