Bookish Ocelot

13 hours ago, AonEne said:

Cassie tried a sample and handed the bag back, savoring the bite of cake. “You are scarily good at this,” she said when she had swallowed, pointing at Leona. “And...” Her earlier thoughts returned to her: why do something when she knew she wouldn’t be good at it? She had tried baking once or twice as a kid and not found much pleasure in it. There was no reason to waste her time. 

But she’d never done it with someone else before. And she’d never tried to bake a cake. And this was later on in her life. And...wasn’t being a Willshaper about trying new things? Continuing forward into new places, even when the quest seemed doomed? “Sure, thanks. That’d be fun.” 

"Awesome!" Leona replied, smiling. "I'm glad you like it. I will admit that half the secret is in convincing the cake to be cake in the first place."

19 hours ago, AonEne said:

“Sure, I’ll try some,” Cassie said amiably, trying to hide the fact that she didn’t know what half those terms were. Seeing the cake, she let out an involuntary Wow; it was huge and complicated and purely awesome. “That is huge and complicated and purely awesome,” she whispered to Leona. 

Her eyes flitted up to the top of the cake, automatically expecting to see Joy inspecting the decorations, but she wasn’t there. 

Leona passed the ziploc of cake to Cassie. "I'm glad you like it. I'd be happy to teach you to bake sometime."

19 hours ago, AonEne said:

“Okay!” Cassie agreed, perking up a bit. “I bet it’s awesome.” 

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Three feet is about a meter. Yes, that's a lot of cake. Do our poor characters need that much cake? Also yes. 

"Yeah! I spent several hours working on it. I've got samples if you wanna preview," Leona replied, holding up a bag of suspicious-looking cake she had removed from her apron. "I've also got frosting, fondant, gum paste, 50/50, and rice cake!" She realized how excited she was getting, and tried to tone it down. "Anyways," she said, doing a dramatic bow, "the cake." The cake had to be at least three feet tall, and was on a wheeled cart. The icing was forest green with brushed gold accents and white flowers. She thought the flowers were probably a bit much, but would it be a wedding without flowers? No. Also, they tasted good. And were fun to make. But even better to eat. 

YKYASFW you hear someone say 'Kal' in the hallways and spin around trying to find the fellow sanderfan, then realize they said 'calc' instead. 

1 hour ago, AonEne said:

Leona muttered something to her spren, and Cass felt a pang of loneliness. Pushing it firmly aside, she answered, “I didn’t see either of them fighting, but I think Jace was doing some Lightweaving.” 

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I have no idea where they are. Last I saw was something about tacos

"Wanna check the kitchen? I can show you the cake if you want."

@ShadowLord_Lith

7 hours ago, AonEne said:

Cassie shrugged. "Living room, maybe?" 

 

"I guess," Leona said. "I can't imagine what it would be like to have my wedding ruined like that."

bold of you to assume someone will marry you, Onyx interjected.

"Now's not the time for sarcasm!" she hissed back at Onyx. Turning to Cassie, she asked "Did you see them in the fighting at all? Do you know if they're like, okay?"

9 hours ago, AonEne said:

“I’m not sure,” Cassie said, then tried to turn her uncertainty into a grin for the younger girl. I have to be an example. “Why don’t we go ask the grooms?” 

“That’s probably a logical conclusion.” Leona said, facepalming internally. “Do you know where they are?”

Leona followed Cassie into the house. “What’s happening now that the voidbringers are gone? Like with the wedding? I worked really hard on the cake.” 

13 hours ago, AonEne said:

“It’s done when they graduate,” Cassie said, returning the grim grin, “and I did that last year. Class of 2018, woo.” The cheer was said in the same tone and volume as the rest of it. “But I remember just how much it sucked. Not looking forward to college. Do you need any help with homework? I can give it my best shot.” 

“I should be good. We didn’t have too much stuff ‘cause of prom.” Leona replied. “We should probably go inside and se what the others are up to.”

On 11/9/2019 at 8:56 AM, VinDiesel said:

Why do you think Kaladin cannot heal or lightweave his slave brands? I wonder if it's because deep inside he doesn't actually want them to disappear, because it represents his bitterness and his painful past. Maybe it's like a metaphor for his harboring hatred for his oppressors, and they won't disappear until he lets that hate go. Idk. Opinions? 

First, let me say that I absolutely adore your username. It made me laugh.

I think it's more that he views them as a part of himself. Here's the best WoB I found.

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Questioner

I notice that Stormlight seems to be a bit volatile in how well it heals or who it heals. Because it seems like Renarin's eyesight would have been a long term problem, kinda like Rysn's legs maybe and Lopen's arm. But Lopen's arm got healed, Rysn's legs didn't and Kaladin's scars didn't. So I didn't know if there was a reason for those things.

Brandon Sanderson

So Stormlight healing, there's a couple things that have to be considered. But in reference to what you're saying, the person's perception of themselves is a huge part of it.  The way healing works in the cosmere is, you've got the three versions of yourself. You've got your Physical version, your Cognitive version, and your Spiritual version, And a lot of Stormlight is taking your Physical version and matching it to the Spiritual version which is your ideal self.  But it has to be filtered through the lens of your mind, and things like this.

I almost always--probably should say always--am using it to reinforce some sort of character attribute. The fact that Lopen never saw himself, even though he only had one arm, as being disabled, as a big influence, versus whether Kaladin feels deserves his brands or not. Does that makes sense?  And those are two very different things that influence how the healing works. And you will see that as a metaphor and theme, if you watch what heals and what doesn't.

Orem signing (March 10, 2018)

He sees himself as a slave - lower than everyone else - a servant for everyone. I almost think these tendencies (self-sacrifice/serving) are part of what made him a windrunner. 

According to a different WoB, he still has his brands because he thinks he deserves them. 

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Questioner

So is he just crazy enough to believe that he still had an arm?

Brandon Sanderson

No, it's more like, he never saw himself as being-- he saw himself as the person *inaudible* and not being disabled by what happened to him. It's not craziness, it's just a matter of perception. What you're running into Kaladin with his brands in particular is that he thinks he deserves them.

Skyward Houston signing (Nov. 19, 2018)

On 11/9/2019 at 10:37 PM, AonEne said:

Cassie grinned. “That works great! Thanks.” Her grin dropped tiredly as the reality of the situation knocked into her yet again, as it had been doing for the past five minutes. “Thanks for helping me fight, too.” 

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Sorry it took me so long to reply. I've been dealing with some stuff.

"Yeah." She smiled sadly at Cassie's expression. "Well, have you done your homework yet? A teenager's work is never done."

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Spoiler alert: The 11th essence is Cake

"I could soulcast fondant and then soulcast that into steel. Easier if it's cake-related." Leona looked at Onyx, who made something that could possibly be classified as a nod of affirmation. "Here goes. 

When she opened her eyes, there was a large lump of white fondant in her hands. She molded it into a set of ropes, then wrapped them around the voidbringer's hands and feet. "And now, the hard part."

Closing her eyes again, she envisioned the cognative realm, filled with beads. She plucked one from the endless shining span - the fondant.

"You want to be solidified. To be firm."
I wish to keep my options open
"You want to settle. To be strong, un bendable."
that is not right. I am flexible, fluid.
The argument continued, Leona's will pushing against that of the fondant. A few minutes later, she opened her eyes. The voidbringer's limbs were wrapped in glittering steel. 

"I know you said rope, but steel is stronger. I can soulcast it back later."

15 hours ago, AonEne said:

Ignoring her plea, the Voidbringer lunged at them again with the sword he’d obtained [...] and a short tussle and one trip to the Physical Realm later, the Radiants stood triumphantly over him, their Stormlight having barely outlasted his Voidlight. Now he couldn’t get away and was disarmed. 

Cassie noted that the battle seemed to be over, that the two of them were the stragglers. Rob and Ashlyn were speaking in the middle of the lawn - which was in a somewhat bad shape - and everyone else had apparently gone inside. The chaos of the fight was caused their captive Voidbringer to vanish, probably dead, and Cass’s eyes wandered down to the one they had right here. 

“I’ll keep watch over this guy,” she told Leona tiredly. “You want to go get some of the others to help? Or could you...would Soulcasting bindings be too precise for you to do?” 

@BookishOcelot 

"I could, like, soulcast blocks around his hands? Or some kind of rope, but I think it'd be a stretch if it was anything but cake." Leona replied. "We can take him back to the physical realm with us and decide what to do there?" She sighed. "I'm getting so tired of this. I think it's over, but then we get kidnapped, or ambushed. I just want to be a normal teenager. Except the cake thing. I wanna keep the cake."

Ravenclaw/slytherin right here folks.

I like the elsecallers because they can make  unlimited cake. (see TKND for more details and samples.)

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@AonEne

Sorry, meant 8A. brain fried

So this makes Wisdom, Endowment, Honor, Odium, Cultivation, Ruin, Harmony, Dominion, Devotion, Autonomy, and Ambition. That's 11. 

Santa is a fullborn hemalurgist that steals abilities from anyone who is born with them, which is why we don't have mistborn. His reindeer are actually kandra. 

It's possible the human body porousness is just an analogy/explanation given because it is not fully understood. (We here on earth were convinced a giant beetle pulled the sun across the sky for a while...)

If it's a molecule, how do you explain stormlight not reacting with anything? It also would likely be heavier than air in that case, so how does it float? A lot of elements are used in the human body - Hydrogen, Oxygen, Carbon, Nitrogen, Sodium, Calcium, Iron, Magnesium, Boron, etc. (Group 8B (the one I referred to) and group 18 are the same thing)

Electromagnetic spectrum probably doesn't work, but it would be a convenient way to explain the glowing and energy. Electron orbits also go in waves. 

Another unreasonable but maybe not idea: Instead of fission (LAAAME) what about fusion? It glows. It makes energy. It is also very hot but I will ignore that. We haven't seen helium yet in the books and it's not unreasonable to think that helium or neon have been replaced. Everybody buckle up, because this is where it gets weird. Neon and helium (and all noble gases) glow in the presence of heat and pressure as they become ionized. This is how electric signs work. If you heat metals in a flame, they change colour. That is the same principal. If you take my magical nonexistant fusion, things get hot. Then, the stormlight is burned (literally), ionizing it and making that sweet glow. You also get a bunch of heat left over, but I'm assuming radiant bodies/gemstones have some way to compensate for it. Some gems like topaz and sapphire have high(er) specific heat. 

I realize that the previous paragraph ignores a lot of science, but we're talking about flying people here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Dawnbearer said:

Yes, this makes sense. However, this does not explain why Surgebinding causes frost to form, especially since the compression of Stormight is reduced when it leaves the body. Then again, when used, is it released? Or is it consumed somehow? Surely when a Lashing is performed Light is infused into an object, but even then does the object slowly release it or is it used up by the object? So I really don't know if we should be asking why frost forms when mass amounts of Stormlight are released or when they are consumed. Further even, does the Stormlight stick with the Investiture when used, or do they go their separate ways?

I happily accept that Stormlight is a physical, chemical, baryonic element or compond. But I still think the specific qualities of it (such as; element or molecule? Are solids and liquids present at all in Roshar (s and l of Stormlight, not Investiture alone)? Could Stormlight become a superfluid?) are very broad, but perhaps worth more consideration. If there is something that I don't understand, it's how gemstones can be infused with a gas.

The glow probably does radiate from all Investiture (except for solids...but if all solid investiture is a transition or God metal, maybe glow is essentially substituted by sheen. That makes sense fictionally, but not logically or scientifically. I don't know, someone ask Preservation), so then do things simply glow at the presence of Investiture, or do things infused with Investiture glow? If it's the former, then maybe the Stormlight particles remain in the air, with the Investiture as energy stored in the gemstone like electricity in a Lithium battery. Then, when the 'Stormlight' is inhaled, the Investiture meets the Stormlight, becoming the Stormlight we all know and love, to meet the needs of the Physical Realm. This would make sense, as you can't just store matter within other matter...or I guess maybe you could in the Cosmere.
(Hmm, Light fills the empty space between gemstone molecules...? Sounds reasonable for Sci-fi. This would argue for the fact that things hosting Investiture for the sake of a magic system simply radiate light.) Also why do cut gemstones in turn hold Light for longer?

I don't think Stormlight decays or is radiocative, but I suppose it could make sense as most elements with large atomic numbers are radioactive, and Stormlight would have to have an atomic number greater than 118, as all those have already been discovered (unless it is not an element, but rather a compound). So it could be, but Light runs out because the body is far too porous, and no gemstone could be perfect. So I say Light is either lost or used, never really decaying. Of course I could always be wrong.

Another interesting thing about this is that gemstones seem to be the only baryonic matter that cannot be soulcast. Why is this true? Is it also true for Stormlight? I would think so. Then again, if Stormlight--as I've theorized--is present without Investiture, like it might be in gemstones, it may be borderline useless as even a soulcast material with no Investiture.

Wow, this topic is a lot more broad than I anticipated. My guess is Stormlight is an element (or maybe compound) that hosts Investiture as part of Honor's magic system. Either it can be present without Investiture or it is a very flexible (not physically, rather behaviourally) particle that can weave between the molecules of a gemstone OR can be present Spiritually/Cognitively in the Physical realm.

I think that's all I have for now...gah, thought overload.

So my radioactive/electromagnetism glowy theory really only works if stormlight is an element. Molecules (as I understand them) don't decay radioactively. Again, please feel free to correct me. As for elements, it seems like it would fit in group seven or eight. (where the gases are). Maybe there's another row on the periodic table, and that's where stormlight fits in. It appears to be unreactive, which would put it in group eight. However, most scientists agree that elements >118 are too heavy to exist, but there have been attempts to make them. There is also a theory that there is a set of elements around ~140 that are stable enough to exist for a few minutes. They would be very heavy and denser than air, which would make them sink. However, that is with Earth's temperature, pressure, and composition. 

Did we ever get it confirmed that the body was too porous? Or it could be that gems stabilize it and human bodies allow it to decay naturally. (like an aqueous solution)

Gemstones can be soulcast, they just would not be able to hold stormlight.

3 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

If that were the case Stormlight would have to decay, as it loses energy. Also, the physical form of breath also shines light, as do Aons. It looks like Investiture in general does something to the structure of the universe which creates light.

An extreme loss of Stormlight also causes cold. Szeth at one point formed frost. It would be odd for the blades to be cold for a different reason.

The stormlight does decay, I think . After a certain point, there is no energy left for surgebindung and the glowing stops at that point. Like a soulcaster, for example. Maybe that makes the compound stable, then the highstorms renergize it? 

Perhaps all investiture glows as it is related to radiation/the electromagnetic spectrum. 

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This post is right up my nerdy alley.

So there are two things I'm seeing here. One is whether or not stormlight adheres to the traditional model of physics. The other is which state of matter it is.

The first one: Aside from being, you know, a magical substance, I don't see anything majorly odd. But that could just be me. If I had to guess, stormlight seems to be a point particle (volume but very very small mass) vaguely along the lines of a photon in that it is a packet of energy. Where it fits on the electromagnetic spectrum? Maybe in the ultraviolet to gamma radiation spectrum. Radiation (sometimes) causes things to glow in the presence of certain elements because of a fabulous thing called Cherenkov Radiation. Basically, the pretty glow occurs when the particles from the radiation move faster than they normally would in a given substance (like water in a reactor). If stormlight is a very high energy particle and therefore moves a wee bit faster through water vapor- boom, pretty glow. But how do you get the colors? Adding more or less energy can make it grow more or less blue.

The second one: Stormlight (to me) acts like a gas. It moves to fill a container (ish). It expands and diffuses. It can be cooled down to another state. Perhaps when blades are summoned, they are cold. Some things, like carbon monoxide (dry ice) go directly from solid to gas. This seems to be one of those. As for stormlight in the atmosphere, Brandon said something along the lines of "Roshar has a really high oxygen level, and that's why fire isn't used much."

But light isn't a gas. So one of these theories being true would invalidate the other. 

Anyone with a knowledge greater than what I have scraped off of wikipedia, please chime in. 

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please ignore the glaring continuity errors.

Leona was almost done with the cake when she heard the screaming and clanging of blades. She summoned Onyx as a chef's knife, then stormed outside. The battle was in full swing. 

There were voidbringers. So many voidbringers. And Cassie had disappeared. To the Cognitive realm, she supposed. And a voidbringer had followed her. Nobody else had seen or reacted. And Leona was the only other one with access. 

"SERIOUSLY?" she yelled, gracefully faceplanting into a sea of beads, nearly impaling herself on Onyx. Now was not the time for her ankle to give out. 

She landed on a platform of beads. Somehow, she'd transformed them into a kitchen table. Cassie was to her left, weaponless. Onyx had reverted to spren form, but Leona had backup weapons. What, after all, was the point of being a baker if not so that one could carry numerous weapons - knives, rolling pins, potato peelers, cheese graters - all the time?

She handed Cassie a chef's knife. "You're worth it. You are worth something, no matter how much you argue otherwise. Now let's kick demon butt and get out of here."

Grabbing a knife in each hand, she began to fight. 

@AonEne

Windrunners: Postal service
Skybreakers: Fireworks
Dustbringers: S'mores!
Edgedancers: Ballerinas
Lightweavers: Meme distribution
Elsecallers: Cake summoning