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My thought was that we notice mist and places where thieves gather, where Wax fights Miles, outside the party that Wax leaves. The Mists are not consistently out at nights during era 2. Remember Wayne's Alloy of Law comment"the mists are out tonight." During era 1 they where there full time.

Not true. The mists respond to rain. Can you provide any example of mist that does not come from one of those two things?

The Mists do not seem to act according to weather patterns and they tend to stick close to fights and parties.

Rosharans have no natural defenses against the common cold. For them it could be deadly.

They same could be said of Paji. I also think that the things the mist "pays attention to" could count as a personality.

If one house attacks another house and makes sure not to kill anyone it is not really an attack. Smart diplomacy would calm things down especially if no one claimed credit. Reread the scene. Kelseir just jumped on to the wall and it is only after the guard notices him that he reacts. If he was specifically trying to kill the gaurd he would have acted faster and landed on the guard to kill him in the same moment. He has to maintain the imitative. Sun Tzu — 'Thus the expert in battle moves the enemy, and is not moved by him. Kelseir wants to keep these people reacting. Bypassing them means that they have time for a countermove or to move in a way that he does not expect and can't anticipate. He would not say to Dockson who constantly worries about Kel being reckless that he wants to fight the hazekillers but fighting them and winning before retreating firmly establishes him as a mistborn and classifies this attack as a mistborn attack rather then one by an exceptionally powerful coinshot. Kelseir has issues. This is his way of looking on the bright side. He gave them the tools that they needed to survive. Also he had no way of saving the girl and making his rendezvous with Yeden without doing exactly what they did.

At his third ideal Dalinar is doing something that has never been done before and sort of ascends. Also he defeated Odium something the Stromfather did not think was possible. I do not think it was the oath itself that shocked him.

I don't think you can do that. Or that.

You generally can't do that. The spren would likely find a way to end the bond or just physically leave to prevent you from using those abilities.

Typo. He wanted to send a message to the nobility that he was mistborn and that he was willing to kill people. That being said from a simple tactical standpoint he had to make sure that there was no subtle trap involved by killing one guard gave himself time to appraise the situation and made sure no alarm was called. For this guard Kel seems not to actually have known he was there. He killed him for time. He then surveys the general area and concludes that this is not a trap and that he has control of the situation. He wants to engage the hazekillers as a mistborn so he kills two guards by throwing them off the wall. This raises the alarm early and prevents anyone from knowing his exact position. It also proves that he is likely an alomancer and so they should get the hazekillers as apposed to more ordinary guards for him to kill. This move might actually save a few lives at risk to himself if you are feeling generous to him. The next two guards ID him as mistborn to everyone in the area and he actually has to kill them or they might stop him from leaving. He also has to kills the hazekillers self defense he really has no other option he is in a pitched battle. He then leaves without killing anyone else. My point is that Kelseir is more then his worst action. When declaring someone a monster you are stating that they are something that must be destroyed and can be destroyed without remorse or ethical complications.

But not with any subtlety. It just omnidirectionally uses all of them and we don't know if it works for anything other then alomancy.

Trying to sneak a compounder past us? If you charge it it can use alomancy. Charge it with a coinshot's power and it will push all metal away from it. Charge it with cadmium and it will slow down time once activated.

OK then.

Kelseir believed that without it the rebellion would have failed. He may have been wrong or blinded by hatred but I do not think either of those things make him an actual monster. Barely. Once in politics once you have made yourself untouchable you tend to stay that way. I am not pointing to causality. I am simply stating that the net total of Kelsier's actions made Vin happier then the alternative. On the other hand if you put Vin in charge of the rebellion Yeden's foolishness breaks the whole thing apart. She can't go on after that and does not bounce back the way Kelsier does.

My own soul assuming I was a stealrunner.

Yes.

I on the other hand think that all of the killing has some solid reasoning behind it. OK but then what? To coordinate a lasting change you need to have most of the nobility on your side and that is a monumental task. What happens when your pet idiot screws up majorly and offends an important group. You can't monitor him every day. But Kel being Kel is what made Vin happy. The lack of Kel both good and bad would have failed to do so. Kel would not be Kel if he had not killed those guards and he did make Vin happy. I think you are looking for some kind of paragon that did not exist in TFE. One of the major causes of PTSD is not getting hurt it is hurting people. Kel is for lack of a better word immune to it because he is a psychopath. He can get up every day and still laugh off ever bad thing that ever happened to him. Vin is not so when she does the same thing she gets scared and angry.

How many people could I forge personalities of assuming I wanted at least one other form of investiture?

He fell 40ft well Syl told him she "felt right about it." He knows a bit but if this were 4500 years ago he would know considerably more.

Atium alloys always give mental and temporal abilities.

Broader setting? World, types of characters?

That makes more sense, thank you. You have watched too many movies. I highly doubt a well trained security force would leave a door unguarded where their employer sleeps even to investigate something suspicious. Someone as paranoid as Straff would have several guards and likely at least a few alomancers around. Alright you now have an ambitious fool in charge of his house. What is your next move? My first point was that Kelsier's total actions lead to Vin become who she was and were a net positive for her personally and the people globally. My other point was that without Kel Vin would never become Vin so she would not have been able to lead the rebellion. The fact that she feels horrible afterward is a textbook case of PTSD. If you are going to give Vin credit for the feelings caused by that then it stands to reason that you should excuse the feelings Kel does not have because he is a psychopath.

I am interested. What kind of setting do you have planed.

He seems to have part three mostly in order. Perhaps he just did a careful reading and did not have to do much editing.

I find your attitude irritating to be brutally honest. If you are not willing to change your mind in the face of evidence then I see a no real point in us talking past each other. For the record I think that if you had made a convincing point during our discussion I would be willing to change my mind. Imagine he is located at the end of a long hallway. Exactly how does he sneak through that hallway without killing anyone or dying? The ministry monitors the nobility closely. This is their main function. They could also be married off same as daughters that no one arranges accidents for. Additionally noble houses engaged in trade. They were primarily financial not feudal organizations. Especially at higher levels. As such you need trusted people to do bookkeeping and deal making. Unlike with landownership this requires more then one person and a household guard. So the only difference between the two scenarios are the deaths that Kelseir has a personal responsibility for? On a global scale the results are identical? If Vin had not met Kelsier and had become a Mistborn we know from her gold burning scene that she would have been completely friendless and from this I deduce that she would have accomplished absolutely nothing. Also Vin does not share your ethics. She was willing to kill Cett's mercenaries on the way to killing him. Yeah she felt bad afterward but that was at least in part because the experience was traumatizing and she is preservation aligned.