Karger

Excellent. Independent agreement.

Welcome to the shard. I do not know if shardblade damage is sufficient. It might help. Even mental illness does allow for some influence but hemalurgy is way way worse.

They seem pretty different to me. They clearly state he was trying to prove himself as the most likely reason for his actions. Because it is verifiable and not super hard. But a suspicious paranoid like Lin Davar is not joining up with the same people as his hated son and he actually knows who he is working for.

It is not the largest population center nor is it a normal place. It would likely not exist and it probably can't sustain itself without government support. They do but that is assuming that trickle down economics are what you are using to fuel this new kind of economic growth. With the exception of soulcasters which are not used by most people in most places we have no fabrails that are used by normal people for work. As soon as this happens they are going to move to Urithiru for education and training. They are going to learn skills useful for fighting diplomacy and so on. Also do some basic math. Their will not be more then a few thousand radiants assuming all of the spren bond. We don't know the exact numbers but we estimate hundreds of millions of Rosharans. This means that each person who devotes themselves to food production(assuring it is everyone) will have to feed at least 50,000 people. For reference the shattered plain collectively number only a few hundred thousand and they have dozens soulcasters working around the clock. No they won't. They have spanreads for coordination which make watches useless in warefare. Cheaper then can be shipped to the middle of nowhere. Farmers still work by hand per Kal's flashback. But it won't move food to more remote locations. When does she say this? And required a larger administrative task force that does not yet exist. Not for workers but for innovators. Britain was ground zero for the industrial revolution in part because it had good legal protections for patents. They applied existing tech and most of the things you are thinking of came from the US(like radar, the nordan bomb sight, or the jet engine) which was far from the enemy. Is it? If slaves are more efficient why not just use them? POWs and refugees are going to wash across the face of Roshar in the next few years. It is not like we have a labor shortage. Yeah but think about how few Rosharans(particularly Alethi for example) are literate. At the beginning of the nineteenth century, education for the working classes was available on a haphazard basis in England and Wales I think the governments are going to crach down on CR knowlege on Scadrail and who knows what Radiants are going to let anyone know. Letting people go to Braize sounds silly.

I doubt a change that major happens off screen.

The same reason that the US does not nuke every country that they don't like. They could do it but it is too dangerous to be worthwhile. Also Radiant plate glows and and their shardblades are noticeably weird. And lost shards which they cannot replace. Also assuming the army is fighting another army the camp is deserted anyway. Do you honestly expect them to have a hard time sneaking into Amaram's camp. A quick awakening to get rid of any locks and some stealthy climbing don't seem nearly as risky and seem pretty easy for them. Also the shardbearer did not show until midway through the battle.

Only in the armies and it does not have to be soulcast. That food has just become common in the warcamps due to the incredible number of soulcasters and gemstones there. Shallan is a member of the upper crust. Yes she is not super important but she causally spends money in larger denominations then can be changed by a foodcart without even thinking about it. What she thinks of as common is not representative. Maybe not hundreds but a good generation or two seems pretty much a minimum. Radiants have limited time. They are either going to have to charge for their services making them only available to the upper crust or give it based on some kind of merit system. Pretty much all merit systems will favor the wealthy as they have the time, resources, and education to lobby more effectively and make their cases more convincingly. Also the average person has no real need to go to the CR and won't have enough money to do so anyway(capital to cover the opportunity costs of leaving their job for a few weeks). Those watches require a specialist or group of specialists to work on and are not available or usable for more ordinary people due to costs. As such they will likely not kick off an major immediate change in lifestyle for most people. This was true in our world as well. I will give you my recipe for a society that is prime for a full on revolution if it helps you understand. 1. You need a really good way of producing food cheaply for everyone that involves minimal manpower. Soulcasting does not fit this description. It requires gemstones and not enough people can do it to. Per this WoB Soulcasting is not even how they sustain their largest urban centers. Maybe Radiants will start to make a dent in this but I still think Roshar really needs some kind of seed press and harvesting machine. If they are anything like pre industrial europe on Roshar 80% of the workforce in all nations will be farming. For various reasons it is probably less on Roshar(they don't have to worry about irrigation for example and they have been breeding crops for longer then we have) but they still need to start mechanizing their agriculture. 2. They need better transportation. Food production increases won't mean much without a good way to increase food shipping. Oathgates will help with this some by preventing localized famines from effecting the largest cities but once farms start getting more efficient urban centers not near oathgates are going to need food and they are going to always need more of it right now. I do not think that fabrails can fix this. Navani's floating ships are going to be very useful for an army but I have a pretty high inclination that they are two expensive to ship grain around. I have a theory that stonewad tunnels will be a big thing in the future but they will take a long long time to make. 3. Power available for ordinary manufacturing. Eventually the correct fabrails yes but this needs to be understood well by many people and then they have to understand how to use that power to carry out tasks effectively. This is the difference between a model T and the first automobiles. One is understood and can be used by anyone while the other are only available for rich people(and were often unsafe). 4. You need a larger educated workforce. Azir might have this but nowhere else seems to. Without an administrative group capable of creating contracts, doing accounting, and assessing risks you are not getting anywhere. 5. People need legal protections for their work and they have to apply to all workers. Innovation does not happen easily when anyone can take your idea without compensation. 6. Wars need to be limited in scope. If you look at where wars happened in Europe you will find that the nations that were invaded less tended to enjoy greater economic prosperity. Wars kill the workforce and make your intellectuals think of battle strategies and army administration as opposed to inventing the vacuum cleaner. As long as they are in a wartime economy Roshar is not getting anywhere in terms of industry.

Humans the world over have grown up with the desire to do all kinds of things that do not shape our society and are not considered acceptable and do not tend to override our social institutions. There are examples but most would be inflammatory. However if those institutions were to be discredited or break down might be able to do a lot of damage.

They don't but they have to have some ability to afford the things produced by these industrial factories. Most people in Alethkar do not use soulcasters for food or waste disposal despite the fact that it has the greatest concentration of them on the planet. Sure but 1. that is a fairly affluent city state and 2. those are mostly in the homes of the wealthiest. But Radiant power(as opposed to manpower) is limited and many of them are going to be reserved for the battlefield. I agree. For the military. Revolutionary tec does not reach its full potential overnight.

I agree that the codes were not 100% and neither were anything else but there is a difference between that and complete uselessness. For example modern soldiers in the US who want to kill people are probably going to fail the psych exam and be put in places with less weapons. Are their incidents of course but the kind of systematic destruction of the thrill is not going to happen on a wide scale assuming that the Radiants are doing their jobs.

Is it wrong/weird that I feel tempted to open a new thread just to guess what your state actually is?

This is some of the least understood stuff in the cosmere. Fortune I see a bit like gravity or destiny. It is a force kind of like the tides that pulls things in certain directions(this is my understanding). Connection is your alignment to certain things. Ideals, Shards, and Nationalities for example. You also have your identity. Your identity is what makes you you. It is your selfness. It also keys your investiture to yourself(this stops people stealing your breath or metalminds). Your Spiritual self also contains your investature(what magic systems you have access to) and a "scoreboard" of your attributes(how old you are, where you were born, what people you are associated with, and your gender for example). Anything else?

The work they do is divided. The skills necessary to do the work are not. You could train to do most of the jobs that the bottom 6 nahns do within a year easily. We know very little about Theylen workers. We only have two PoVs from them and they are both members of that society's upper crust if not the top brackets. That is a noteworthy outlier it will be important as day laborers do not have to depend on the sun for light but it is not representative. They meaning the government. No private citizen has a soulcaster and they don't know how to make them yet meaning they will not be able to serve a large population. Again only the wealthy. Really where? What about city wide pluming? The first flush able toilet was invented over a thousand years ago but it was a curiosity. Until a modestly wealthy individual can afford a technology it will primarily be used in warfare but not effect the lives of an ordinary person much. And they are quite limiting. How do Radiants make them less limited? The beginnings yes but it will likely be years before people start training specifically to manage mechanization.

They were a catalyst at the very least. We still don't know the relmatics of what happened. Odium is also more free with what he is able to do these days.

But ordinary people (the darkeyes) can't afford it. They meaning the very wealthy. Factories meaning large buildings. Considering the costs of making a building on Roshar that seems like it is just an economy of scale(making smaller buildings that can stand up ot the storms is just not as cost effective). Which again are only available for very wealthy people or the government. Azir has very high levels of literary this is true(or at least we think it is) I am sure Lift could find us some illiterate people without thinking that hard about it. However the main thrust of my argument remains true. We have seen no evidence of this wonderful tec that ordinary people can use. I actually am hopping that Navani will have a chance to compare notes with Kaladin about what would actually benefit ordinary citezens as he is one of the few people who has achieved upward mobility in Alethi society.

Old forms of manufacturing like glassblowing have existed for thousands of years. However I do not really consider it an industrial process. Most people for most of human history could not afford any glass. They do seem to have gotten standardization down and that is an important step for industrialization. However no technological advancement is evident. For example. Sabarial makes uniforms. I am only speculating here but I do not think he has cracked modern textile manufacturing methods. What I do think he is doing is taking a bunch of spinning women(or men? It takes two hands right?) having them all work together under one roof and standardizing both the cloth they use and the things they make. Is that industrialization if they are doing the same things tech wise they would be doing in a village like Kaladin's? I would say no.

None of those technologies are particularly old and we have no indication that they are being done on an industrial scale. Since the purpose is to supply an army I think it much more likely that it is just small scale industrialization preformed communally at a standardized scale. IE they are not using more advanced techniques just using the old ones in a more effective and standardized way. There is also no indication that fabrialis are used used for any of this.

Well that is looking like it will never happen. However addiction can be treated or avoided.

None of the societies except maybe scadrail have reached the global and communications level where monopoly or corporations are a problem yet. Soceitital or legal restrictions are currently what prevents many cosmere societies from growing. Scadrail currently enjoys more wealth then any other planet in the known cosmere's existence. Similarly the US is the richest nation in human history. Both of these are facts but neither means that either society is perfect. Yes although the fact that they went to a post scarcity economy so quickly may drag their scientific understanding or innovation capabilities.

Yep.

Their economy is already post scarcity in a lot of ways. This might technically be the most advanced economy. Everything else looks good.

We only have so many examples of none radiants fighting.

The thrill can be resisted. Dalinar manages it in WoKs he shoves it down in an attempt at decency kind of like going cold turkey. I imagine with training average soldiers could do the same thing and were trained to do so (per that quote about fighting without it destroying you). These traditions of avoiding the thrill might actually still be around in some elements of Alethi society at the lower levels. Remember Kaladin's conversation with his old sarge in OB flashback? His advice about caring about your friends during battle and fighting for them while avoiding people who think that war is some kind of game might actually be reminiscent of those old traditions.

I really think that magictec and steampunk have been overlooked way too often by the fantasy genre. I am glad that Brandon is actually saying. "No. Eventually people are going to figure out guns and trains and steamships. I am not going to keep everyone in some weird 9th century+some 19th century stuff era." This keeps cropping up in fantasy when the knights know about the scientific method and can tell time accurately and know how to prepare good incendiary devices and it annoys me a lot.

So very gifted student. However his memory is not eidetic