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Sure. Because it's not like someone went and Unmade something that was the natural order and corrupted it into his own designs.

On the Unmade being a combination of 2 surges, it doesn't have to have a 1-1 relationship with the Knight Radiant. Like, there doesn't have to be a Lightweaver Unmade, where they use the Voidbinding version of Illumination and Transformation. It could, instead, be Illumination and, say, Adhesion. Or Transformation and Abrasion. This would mean that there are still similarities to the Orders, but there's no 1-1 relationship, and the correlation gets fuzzy. Just a thought.

Yeah. About as OP as a Fullborn having unlimited of every Feruchemical attribute due to Compounding.

It sounds like a Fullborn would be able to do some crazy things, though, compounding mental speed, memory, mental determination, and potentially Stormlight (if Nicrosil does indeed store Stormlight, as I believe). Memorize every aspect of a machine, down to the last bolt, one at a time, storing the memories as you memorize, and then tapping Mental Speed as you tap all those memories to give yourself time, and increasing your mental determination so you can overcome the resistance of the item being transformed, while compounding Stormlight from a Nicrosil Mind. But you're right about the gemstones. It would need a perfect one, whichever is used to soul cast metal. The plastic parts of a computer are just to hold things together, it can entirely be made of metal, I believe.

The table just says it stores investiture, and when they've tried it, you get the coins in Band of Mourning that grant the ability to burn or tap metals. But the thing is, on Scadrial, Investiture is the ability to burn metals, but on Roshar, Investiture is Stormlight. On Scadrial, Investiture is the ability to do magic, but on Roshar, it is the fuel for that magic. The Nahel bond just allows a person to access Stormlight. It isn't the Investiture itself, unless I'm reading it wrong. If I'm right, then a Nicrosil Compounder who also gains a Nahel bond can have a limitless amount of Stormlight, along with the ability to overload anyone else's investiture. I'm thinking a Soulcaster with limitless Stormlight being able to Soulcast anything into anything, as the amount of Stormlight is one of the limiting factors in what they can or can't do.

So we know that Soulcasters, given enough stormlight and enough skill, can essentially Soulcast almost anything into almost anything else, and we've seen Soulcasting help with healing, as when Shallan has her blood soulcast. My question is: how detailed can one get in Soulcasting? Would it be possible to Soulcast a wound out of a person? A Disease? A genetic deformity? Could I Soulcast a person to look like someone else in reality, rather than putting an illusion on them? is Soulcasting cosmetic surgery a thing? And what constitutes "Skill" in a Soulcaster? It is suggested that a skilled Soulcaster could have recreated the Strawberry Jam. Would they simply need to know how it tasted and its consistency, or would it be easier if they knew its molecular structure? Would a Surgeon who could Soulcast be more 'skilled' at Soulcasting the body than someone who didn't understand the human body as well? Or is it more of an experience kind of thing, where the more they do it the better they get? And lastly, if a Soulcaster understood each part of a machine they wanted to build, down to the nuts and bolts it would take to build it, could they construct that out of the air? If so, how complex can it be? If an Engineer was also a Soulcaster, and could keep every part of, say, a car, in their head at once, could they then Soulcast a car out of thin air? A Computer? As to whether a person could keep all that information in their head, just make them a Zinc compounder. And for the Stormlight, have them sit next to Dalinar. Nothing I've seen suggests any of that is impossible, which means a Zinc Compounding Twinborn who is also either an Elsecaller or a Lightweaver is a powerful creature indeed.

This might go elsewhere, but I'll put it here for now. I've got another, related post in the Stormlight thread. I was thinking about this yesterday, because I know it's possible to be a Mistborn, Ferruchemist or Twinborn and bond a Spren. I was trying to think about how that would work, and what interesting combinations could be pulled off using that. My question is about Nicrosil. Nicrosil stores Investiture. Now, as a Mistborn or Feruchemist, the ability to use a power comes from one's investiture, the use of the power is from catalyzing metals in one's body. So if you store your Mistborn power in a Nicrosil, you'll stop being Mistborn while storing, and then have a deeper connection when tapping. You aren't expending your Investiture by using your powers, you are simply catalyzing the metal, which your Investiture allows you to do. But on Roshar, it's different. Stormlight is the Investiture, and your bond with a spren is what allows you to access it. So does that mean you can store Stormlight in a Nicrosilmind? If you could, could you compound it? Could a Nicrosil Twinborn who has bonded a Spren compound what is essentially an infinite storage of Stormlight in a Nicrosil Mind, and then essentially never run out of Stormlight?

Sorry guys, it's me. I'm the next Bondsmith. Me and the Nightwatcher's gonna mess some stuff up.

Looking at the original post, because the rest is like reading a book, I don't understand why "obeying the king" would be grounds to lose respect for Kaladin. The law is the law. Laws can be unjust. Kings can be bad. They're still the king, and the law is still the law. Y'all bring up protests and talk about how no change has ever happened without violence. To which I answer: Rome. Rome persecuted the Christians from their inception until the Roman Emperor married one and let her raise the next Emperor as a Christian. The Christians never once violently protested against Rome. They couldn't. If they'd tried, they'd have died. Roman soldiers were the best in the world, and they were very good at killing. And yet all of a sudden, Rome is a Christian Empire. All without violence. Yeah, the Crusades happened, but they were much, much later. The initial change was peaceful. Change can happen from within, peacefully. But regardless, authority is there for a reason. Saying "Kaladin should have said screw you, i'll kill who I want" is like saying John Wilkes Booth or Lee Harvey Oswald were justified in their assassination of their respective Presidents. You can dislike an authority figure, but that does not give you the right to kill them because you "believe it's the right thing to do." It was not Kaladin's place to do what he did. And the King, in this society, has the authority to execute any person he wishes, for any reason he wishes. And Slander is a crime, even in America. If a Newspaper reports something as true about a person and it turns out to be false, and they didn't do their research correctly, then they can be held liable. As far as anyone knew, Amaram was an upstanding man. While it sucks that evil men get into high positions by carefully cultivating a false aura of honor and dignity, it is what happens, and you cannot simply murder them because you can't think of a legal way to get at them. Because if you could, then every President would be assassinated the moment they took office by someone who believed they posed a threat to the people, whether they actually do or not. Every boss of every company would have been murdered due to some perceived slight. There would be no law, no order. Anarchy is not a good thing. Anarchy is being afraid that the people down the street won't like the color of your eye, so they'll drag you out in the street and murder you because they believe your eye color is a bad omen, and then get away with it cause there isn't anyone to stop them or punish them. Law and Order protect the average citizen from the other average citizens. It protects the minority from the majority. The individual from the mob. Yes, evil people can use the law to get their way, and if they are careful can get away with tremendous crimes, but that is not a criticism against the law. That is a criticism against the human condition. Will you only make exceptions for the really evil people? But then who decides who the really evil people are? What if someone decides that you're a really evil person? Should they make an exception for you? Or do you get rights to protect you from such mob tactics? If Kaladin had sucked in Stormlight and fought, Dalinar could not have defended him, as a General cannot have a soldier who refuses to submit to his authority, the same way Elend had to execute that soldier for hitting an officer. Kaladin would have died. The Bridgemen would have been disbanded, executed or sent back to their Bridge Runs, and later, Szeth would have killed Dalinar, Shallan would have been eaten by a Chasm Fiend (can't remember if that happened before or after, actually), and Odium would have won hand over fist before Oathbringer even started. All because Kaladin would have been too blinded by hatred to realize that he was overstepping his authority. And he was overstepping his authority. And if Dalinar had looked down at Kaladin when Kaladin made his ill advised pronouncement and said "You know, I trust this boy with everything. I believe him. Amaram must be a traitor. Ehlokar, you need to have Amaram executed at the behest of a child soldier that none of you met more than a month ago"... ... I just can't really go on from there. The fact that he even made a test to see if Amaram was what Kaladin said he was speaks volumes. You can't just accuse people of something without proof, and expect to get your way! Even if you know it in your heart that you are right!

I always got the impression that Shallan wasn't attracted to Kaladin, Veil was. Veil isn't a part of Shallan's subconscious, she's a fake person with her own wants, desires, and interests. It's like playing a part in a play. Shallan created her so she could do the things Shallan would never feel comfortable doing, but Veil would. Same with Radiant, who also likes Kaladin. Shallan wanted to be competent at sword fighting, but absolutely hated her sword, so she created someone to do it for her. Radiant isn't a part of Shallan's subconscious, either. She's a fake person with her own wants and desires. It's the same as when I write a character in a book. They aren't a part of my subconscious. They're fake people that I made up. I give them their own wants and desires and fears, and I let them play. Shallan does that, too, every time she creates a false persona. She just did it so well that she got lost in it, and allowed them to have too much control over her. She began to easily slip in to their personas, and therefore would react the way they react, do the things they would do, rather than herself. In essence, Veil and Radiant are her playing pretend. She just forgot which one was pretend, and which one was real. As for Shallan and Adolin, I always felt he was the one Shallan actually wanted. She can flirt with him. They can laugh together. They have fun. Of course it started out, and continued, as a political marriage. It WAS a political marriage. But there's nothing wrong with that. People today don't understand that Love is not a feeling. Love is not something you feel. Feelings are fickle. Feelings change moment by moment. Infatuation is a feeling. Desire is a feeling. But love is not a feeling. Ask Doctor Who, when the solder guy becomes a Cyberman. Love isn't a feeling. It is a promise. It is thinking about the other rather than one's self. What people call love in America today is selfish. I want that person. I need that person. I won't be complete without that person. It's all about me. But that isn't love. 90% of all marriages in the world were arranged, many times without the spouses ever having met each other before the wedding day. And yet they loved each other. It was a giving, with no thought of taking. That is love. And while many people think "You can't help who you fall in love with", I disagree vehemently. I decided to love my wife. I was falling for her. I was feeling the desire and the infatuation. But I'd felt that before. I knew what type of person those other girls were, and I knew the type of woman my future wife was. And I decided to love her. When I married her, I decided she would be the one, regardless of feeling. Regardless of how much she may drive me crazy in the future. Regardless of whether or not she keeps her side of the promise, I will keep mine, because I decided. And I still feel those feelings, and those desires, and I have even through the hard times. Because I don't base my thoughts about her based on my feelings of the moment, but on the conscious decision that I made. I didn't bond myself to her in haste. I did it deliberately. While Shallan was attracted to Kaladin, decided she loved Adolin. There's nothing wrong with that. And it does not, in any way, lesson the love she and he will have. As for how the romance was written, I didn't find anything wrong with it. I was rooting for it, because I knew they would be good together and it helps everyone involved. I actually hate, with a passion, love triangles. They're over done. I don't care about them. I hate them. I want them to go away. I'm glad they ended it in OB. Perhaps Kaladin was a little abrupt, ending it as he did. But I was glad. Because I don't have to deal with that anymore. He can move on. I still think he'll get with Jasnah. I think, of all the men we've seen, he's the only one who'll stand up to her face and throw witty barbs right back at her, and won't be intimidated by her sheer force of will. And he would never hurt her the way she has obviously been hurt in the past. Just my thoughts.

I haven’t read the Kaladin/Jasnah thread, but I’ve always thought they’d be perfect for each other. He’s strong willed (read pig headed) enough to keep her from rolling over him, which is what she would need in a partner, and he’s very intelligent, as per his skill in healing, and he commands loyalty in his men, like her father. And while she seems heartless, I think she is the type that closes herself off because she doesn’t want to get hurt, so she hides behind her logic and hardness. But once she opens herself up to a relationship, once she lets herself love someone and learns to trust them, she could be very good for Kaladin. She doesn’t give complements or respect flippantly, so if she comes to respect Kaladin, then it will improve his own self image, as he will be able to trust her judgement of him more than his own. Plus us they’re both very witty at insulting each other, so I can imagine how their banter would play out over a longer time period. Either they’ll fall in love or they’ll hate each other. I don’t see a middle ground.

It’d be easier, but not impossible, and depending on how much the compounder wants to get stronger but not bigger, it’s still potentially limitless strength. Just takes a little longer. Pewter is cheap.

I don’t know if there’s a source, but I feel like Brandon said if a Pewter compounder stored the excess strength while burning Pewter, then when he taps the strength in the pewtermind, he would not get bigger, because Alomantic Pewter doesn’t get bigger, only stronger. If you did it this way, then began compounding based on the stored Alomantically enhanced strength, then you could have near infinite strength without worry of your muscles getting bigger. You could have a second Pewtermind with you that you compounded the normal way, which you continuously tap (since it is near infinite as well) and always have the perfect physique. Personally, Pewter is just too good to pass up, and it pairs well with a lot of options. Pewter is cheaper than gold, so you could keep a single gold ring fill it every time you burn Pewter, and never have to consume it like a Bloodmaker. It isn’t going to be infinite, but you don’t get the downside of storing health, since you’d only need to store the excess healing you get when burning pewter. You only use the healing when you need to, so it just keeps storing. Wayne was able to survive some amazing things just by spending 2 weeks storing health. Same with Steel. No need to slow yourself down. Just burn pewter all day, storing all the extra speed until you need it. It’s no compounding speedster, but a Thug with enhanced speed whenever he needs it? Powerful. Of course, compounding Pewter is amazing, because of the above justification for not growing larger. Not can you have enhanced speed, strength, endurance and healing anytime you want, but you have literally infinite strength whenever you need it. You are as strong as the situation requires, and can have the perfect physique at all times.

It’s a long sword, so 1d8. When the sword is drawn, it begins to feed on anything it touches. The weilder loses one spell slot at the beginning of each of his turns that he holds Nightblood, always losing his highest remaining spell slot. If no spell slots remain, the weilder must make a DC 18 Con Save every round. Failing the save causes the weilder to take 5d6 Necrotic damage, or half as much on a successful save, and their maximum Hit Points are lowered by the same amount. This damage can not be negated in any way, nor can it be healed except by a long rest or magic of 5th lvl or higher. If the weilder falls to 0 HP because of this damage, their soul is ripped from their bodies and consumed by the sword. They can not be brought back to life with anything short of a Wish spell. These negative effects can only be postponed by attacking other creatures. When Nightblood successfully hits a creature, the creature must make a DC 18 Con save or take 5d6 Necrotic damage, or half as much on a successful save, and have their maximum Hit Points reduced by an equal amount. If they die because of this damage, their soul is ripped from their bodies and consumed by Nightblood, and they cannot be resurrected by anything short of a Wish spell. When a creature is consumed this way, the weilder does not suffer the penalties of wielding the sword for a number of rounds equal to the creature’s Hit Dice. When the weilder rolls a critical hit, the creature rolls a DC 18 Con Save. Upon a failure, Nightblood rips the soul from the creature, regardless of how many Hit Points it had, and the creature’s body turns to dust. Nightblood can only be weilder by those with the Good Alignment. If anyone of any other Alignment sees Nightblood unsheathed, they must make a DC 18 Wis save or be compelled to pick up the blade. If they do, they must make a DC 18 Wis save again or be dominated by the sword, which will force them to attack any and all creatures around them until everyone is dead, seducing the next victim if the weilder dies first.

I still think the Windrunner's fourth oath is something along the lines of allowing those who can to protect themselves. It is the logical extension of the first oath "I will protect those who cannot protect themselves." The fourth oath would be about NOT protecting those who CAN protect themselves. Dalinar NEEDED to do that fight himself. He NEEDED Kaladin to NOT protect him. Adolin NEEDED Kaladin to protect him at that moment, but Kaladin was so focused on protecting the man he WANTED to protect, he was refusing to protect the man he NEEDED to. He could not accept that people sometimes need to protect themselves. He feels everyone is his burden, which is actually rather arrogant. Not everyone is the burden of a Windrunner. Only those who cannot protect themselves are the burden of a Windrunner.

Not to raise the dead, but we do know they reused Spikes, as they kept them in buckets of blood in order to preserve their power when an Inquisitor died. Same with Koloss, they reused spikes to make more.

Honestly, that's my interpretation. Unite Them. Unite the nations. Unite the pieces of Honor. Unite the Shards. I think Honor seeded a plan, the same way Preservation did. I think Honor wanted someone to bring the Shards back together. I think he suffers from Obi-Wan syndrome. He thought he could run things better than Adonalsium, and saw how hard it was when the people he Invested in destroyed their own planet, and then went to conquer Roshar and potentially do the same to them. He saw how horrible things were with Odium and Ruin, and potentially other Shareholders, and I think he realized that they should have never separated the powers. The Shards are pieces of a hole, individual intents without the balance of all the others. Rage without restraint or focus, destruction without consideration. So he put seeds. He had the Stormfather find someone. He maybe even worked with Cultivation to help. And he prepared a way for someone, Dalinar, to be able to Unite the Shards.

If you had enough Lerasium to make a spike, you have enough to make yourself a mistborn and a spike. So, pop a Lerasium pill, and spike your fellow Ferruchemist. Then grab your friendly neighborhood Soulcaster and do the same to him. And your Elantrian second cousin's roommate. The only problem is finding enough Lerasium. Can a Soulcaster make God metals?

A Mistborn who can soulcast is scary. Hold basically inputted an Infinite Magic Cheat Code. He'll never be without metals, and have as much as he needs. He can go Savant with every metal type. A Savant Mistborn. Who can Soulcast. And Lightweave. And who has enough breath to have perfect pitch. Hoid is a scary individual, even if you don't count all the other things he can do that we don't know about.

Just a thought, but has anyone ever asked or pondered whether or not Hoid is Adonalsium? As in, the original bearer of all 16 shards? Probably goes against all kinds of stuff we know, but it would be wonderful to find out that Adonalsium has been in front of us the whole time, gaining access to his various shards one at a time, in an attempt to reforge them. Which is what I think Hoid is doing, regardless. I think he wants a connection to each Shard, which will make him a focal point of all 16 and somehow make them connect again.

You are without identity NOW, but you have not always been without Identity. You were never the identity that Allomantic gold shows you. It was never a part of you. It was a possibility. A you you could have become had you made different choices. Now, it's possible that is keyed off of your current Identity, in that if you are identityless then it wouldn't show you anything. But if it isn't, if it is indeed a temporal thing that goes back in time, finds a pivotal moment in your life, and shows you who you would have become had you made different choices, regardless of current Identity, then that might show you something different. When you burn Gold, you ARE both versions for that time. You see out of both eyes, think with both thoughts. If you are NOTHING, and your Gold Shadow is SOMETHING, when you stop burning Gold...do you go back to being NOTHING, or would that SOMETHING assert itself? Lots of assumptions made, but interesting.

The Lord Ruler was a Terrisman. Logically, he wouldn't want to destroy his own people. However, he also didn't want any other Ferruchemists being born in a world where gaining Allomancy was relatively easy, just have the right parents. He didn't want another Fullborn to wreck his position. He's supposed to be a Sliver of Divinity. Kind of defeats the purpose if random kids could gain that ability as well. If these problems were separate, then they would be easy. If he wasn't a Terrisman, he could have just killed all Terris peoples and be done with it. Instead, he tried to just kill those who had Ferruchemy. So he turned them all into Mistrwraiths. Except that didn't work, because there were still people who had the Ferruchemy gene who weren't, themselves, Ferruchemists. He didn't think of that. So as he is solidifying his power, Ferruchemists are born. He can't have that. He hunts them. He realizes his mistake. Ruin, no doubt, urged him to just kill them all. Kill all his people to preserve his power. But he couldn't do that. So he implemented a breeding program. To the outside world, it's to make them into the perfect slaves. But for TLR, it was to breed out Ferruchemy altogether. Once that was done, he would be able to relax and let the Terris peoples go. So what he does is very carefully select who is and is not a breeder. Anytime a Ferruchemist is discovered, they are killed, and their entire family lines are cut off from the breeding program. The ones selected for breeding spend their entire lives copulating and having children. It is their only function. Once the women are done past childbearing age, they are released to be a Steward. The men aren't so lucky. I would assume that should any of those children become known to be a Ferruchemist, their sires would be destroyed, and their siblings would be watched closely to determine if any Ferruchemy had passed to them, and likely would have been made infertile just in case. So having Tindwel (I listened to all the books, so I never saw the words spelled) be a breeder was a huge success for the Synod, as she had more than just the Ferruchemist gene, she was a full Ferruchemist, which means she passed on those strong genes to an entire new generation of Terris. In fact, because all the Synod was destroyed and all Ferruchemists died as a result of the Inquisitors, it is very likely that all, or at least most, of the Ferruchemists and Ferrings in the Second Age is a direct descendant of Tindwel.

I think Lerasium's primary ability is being a Deus Ex Machina. You know, it saves the day. Got fired from your job? Have some Lerasium. You instantly get a phone call with a job offer that was better than your old one. Have a terminal illness? Here's some Lerasium. You get a phone call from a doctor who just discovered the cure and wants to test it on you. It works, and you gain superpowers as a result. Whatever your issue, however difficult the problem, if you burn Lerasium, your problem is solved, and you become a Mistborn to boot. It just so happens that the two only times we've seen Lerasium burned, the "cure" for the current problem was 'become a Mistborn.' Elend was dying, Hoid was being Hoid, TLR wanted to be a Fullborn.

I've always felt that his fourth ideal would be "I will allow those who can to protect themselves." It's a further clarification on the second and third ideals. "I will protect those who cannot protect themselves" and "I will protect even those I hate". He wants to protect Dalinar, but Dalinar can, and in this case, should, protect himself. People need struggle, they need to fight in order to grow and become the best version of themselves. By protecting everyone, by taking up all the challenge and all the problems on to himself, Kaladin would be denying them that ability. But there are things that a person cannot protect themselves from. A superior enemy, an unstoppable storm. Things that Kaladin can protect them from that they can't protect themselves from. The Ideals are leading Kaladin to those people, to protect only those who are incapable of protecting themselves, while allowing those who can to do so. That is what I think the fourth ideal is. It isn't about "Sacrificing the few to save the many". That isn't consistent with Windrunner idealism. It's about realizing that you aren't the only person capable of handling a problem, and sometimes, you're not even the BEST person to handle a problem. But if you tell someone who's whole life is about helping other people, about keeping everyone else safe, that their friends and family are competent enough to protect themselves, and they need to let them do that, it would feel like they are abandoning them. Like they are allowing them to die. It's a hubris, is what it is. It's a form of selfish arrogance to believe that the Windrunner, and only the Windrunner, can protect people from bad things. And when used in the context of Kaladin and Dalinar, it is actually an insult to Dalinar. Kaladin believed, in his heart, that Dalinar could not protect himself. When the reality is that Dalinar was moments away from becoming the most powerful Knight Radiant seen to date, and with only his second ideal, which came as a surprise to the Storm Father! If Kaladin had succeeded in getting to Dalinar before he had his epiphany, he would have kept Dalinar from making that epiphany, and would have denied him the final part of the struggle that allowed him to grow. I think that is what the Windrunners need to learn. People need struggle. People need to fight. It is true that often times people are forced to fight something they can't, and wind up dead, and those are the times they need a protector. But when they are able to handle their own fight, when they are able to do it themselves, they need to. Or they don't grow. As a father, it is the hardest thing in the world to see my daughter fall, or get stuck, and step back and allow her to figure her own way out. I'm her father, I will always be there if she is incapable to doing something herself, but if she doesn't try, she will never know what she can succeed at.

Is it thread necromancy if it's less than a month old? I wonder if Allomantic Gold goes by your Identity. It's a safe assumption, but I feel like it doesn't have to be. Your Identity keeps you you, the Allomantic gold shows you a different you, a you you could have been. An alternate identity. So what if you store all your current identity in your fAlluminum, and then burn Gold, which then shows you an alternate identity. Would that alternate identity then find a identities body, which it could then inhabit? Could you then become your alternate identity? Perhaps until you tap your old identity, which will then reassert itself? Not sure what practical use that would be, but it's an interesting theory, at least.