Child of Hodor

On Frost not always being immortal: are dragon's born or are they made on Yolen? Could Frost have been born a human and been altered into a dragon? Via Dragonsteel, maybe? Would be a Brandon-esque twist, people think it's called that because Dragon's grow it, but Dragonsteel actually makes Dragons. Then there is the possibility that Frost acquired a new type of immortality. As Brandon said in this WoB there are several in the Cosmere. Side note: I wonder if Frost can't leave Yolen because he can't. Maybe he is a cognitive shadow reincorporated, like Kelsier or the Heralds. There are WoBs stating they can't leave the systems they are in. There is a way to do it, but Kelsier hasn't figured it out. I think it's more likely that he chooses not to leave, but it's possible that he can't.

Too late, it will only work if the Singers do it now. He recognizes the Singers as the true legal authority of Roshar and so do the Skybreakers that went over with him.

I'll take your word for it. If both you and @RShara remember Brandon saying he made it up Ati for Matisse and it wasn't an Aon before that then he probably said it. EDIT: Can't find the source either, but this is been brought up a bunch and shot down as coincidence due to Matisse every time although always without a WoB that says Ati didn't exist as an Aon before Hope of Elantris. Hilariously, this post lists a bunch of times where people have stated it as fact without a WoB. https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/67862-connection-of-atium-with-elantris/?do=findComment&comment=686935 In this thread it is discussed that no on has a WoB for it and it has been classified as "discussed to death" so I'll stop after this post. https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/58925-is-aon-ati-a-coincidental-name/ It could be that it was assumed by someone that Aon Ati was made up for Matisse and said it on a forum once and everyone repeated it as fact after that assuming the first person was correct, but it's more likely that it's correct. For entertainment here are a bunch of other times it was discussed. https://www.reddit.com/r/Elantris/comments/6debtb/odd_aonnaming_coincidence_or_no/ https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/13832-the-aeon-ati/ https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/4912-ati-was-from-sel/ https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/995-aon-ati/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Cosmere/comments/4abrsu/spoilers_all_aons_and_shardic_intent/

It was written before it, published after Hope of Elantris was written. Hope of Elantris was written January 2006, Final Empire was published July 2006. The WoBs don't say he created Ati for her and Aon Ati did not exist prior to that. It could have been Ati was the only Aon in her name so he used that and Ati which Hope and the title became Hope of Elantris. Maybe it's like you say that Ati was not an Aon and was the only part of her name he could make into an Aon and it was serendipity that Ati was also Ruin's vessel name.

Yeah, it is the only one that works. That's so sweet that he did that and that Matisse gave him the book report as a wedding present years later. It's cool he does things like that, you probably already know, but Lyn in Bridge 4 is based on a person. https://coppermind.net/wiki/Lyn Still he used Ati for the Vessel of Ruin and Atium, when burned shows the future. Hope is about things that will happen in the future. Seems like he chose it intentionally and it may have meant hope before Hope of Elantris.

Elantris was the first Cosmere book and has a whole language of Aonic symbols that represent certain ideas. This language or mutations of it pop up in other Cosmere novels (the Ire in MB:SH, the Iri on Roshar). I took a stroll through the known Aons, I noticed a few fun connections to later books and some Shard Inents, making me thinking other Shard Intents might be in the Aons. Ashe “Light, Illumination” - Ash is the nickname of the Herald of Lightweaving. Ati “Hope” - Ati was a really nice guy. Then he took up Ruin, the Shard with least hope for the future because in it's view everything is gonna be destroyed. Now get into the Shard Intents, it is interesting to see what concepts Brandon thought were important enough to have as Aons when he was writing his first official Cosmere novel. These are ones that are Shards or I think might be Shards. Eshe “Gift, Endowment” Mai “Honor” Kii “Justice” = Honor + Odium Are “Unity, Cohesion” - A different interpretation of bonds and Honor? Eon “Willpower, Endurance - Perseverance Shard Ido “Mercy, Forgiveness” = a fine godly personality trait. Ien “Wisdom” = Shard that wants to survive. Sao “Intelligence, Learning” Kai “Calmness, Solemnity” = The Boring Shard, still could be a godly personality trait. Anyone see other connections?

Check out the Dragonsteel excerpts Brandon put on his site last year. https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/61367-dragonsteel-chapters/ Spoilers for the excerpt chapters. I wonder how big Larkin can get. We've only the one Nale kept tied up in his coat to absorb stormlight from surgebinders (I hope he let that poor larkin go now that he's not hunting surgebinders anymore ) and Chiri-Chiri who is just starting out. Chiri-Chiri grew just from sucking out all the light from the voidbringer in OB, I'm curious how big she'll get.

It's implied by a Listener song that humans did the shattering. I interpret this as saying it wasn't our gods that did it, it was yours. Who do the Listeners view as the humans gods? Listener gods were the Fused ancient cognitive shadows who are reincarnated over and over, the Heralds are the closest equivalent and are still worshipped as gods by some humans in modern times. They could mean also mean radiant spren / radiants. "Isn't that (likely to be) a Bondsmith unique thing though?" @LeyrannGood point! Also, you jogged my memory there is a heavily paraphrased WoB where Brandon discusses Lightweavers being able to create lasers or mini-nukes though creating the mini-nuke effect would ultimately kill them due to heavy amounts of radiation exposure.

That's a really good point, there is a Pattern to the shattering. I made the connection that was intentional and magical, but not to Lightweaving. Lightweaving by itself couldn't do the damage, since it is illusion magic. Perhaps a combination of surges were used? A Lightweaver could lightweave and then soulcast the stone, but it seems like one Radiant wouldn't be powerful enough to do that much by themselves. We've seen Stormfather and Pattern's powers combined when Dalinar and Shallan worked together to create the 3D map, other radiants can combine powers for unique effects. I think Division could also do it. It would look a little like what happens in Dalinar's vision of Kholinar falling into dust. Their surge of decay allows them to turn things to turn things to dust and they can burn patterns with that surge, like when Taravangian's dustbringer burns a pattern into a table. Big difference, between a table and the plains. It would be very hard to do it on one's own. I know every theory on here is about the Dawnshards , but in his dying days Honor raved of surgebinders using them to destroy Roshar like they did Ashyn. Maybe they amplify surgebinding enough to do what was done to the Shattered Plains.

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The combining of intents seems to come from combining of investitures in Spren on Roshar. We see thins combining of intents reflected with the Radiants. As you say there is a growing of honorable conduct. They swear oaths and gain power, but they don't swear them all at once. There is a Progression to it and it seems to designed to gradually grow them into more honorable people. I think this is a result of the Vessels being lovers pre-shattering and most of the Spren on Roshar being a combination of Honor and Cultivation's investiture. The Spren are their kids and their kids take after both of them to some degree. I would argue the Thrill seems like a mix of Cultivation and Odium. By causing people to go beserk in battle and become addicted to that feeling, The Thrill causes people to kill each other more frequently and often unnecessarily which causes more grief and bitterness which grows more hatred in the world. We don't know what The Thrill was before it was Unmade, but given that it's red maybe it was of Cultivation and Odium co-opted it.

I think Odium agreed to a proxy war because he didn't like his chances in a direct two on one battle. Even if he won he could be significantly weakened reducing his ability to kill the rest of the Shards remaining. The Vessels of Honor and Cultivation were lovers and their Shard intents don't clash like other Shards do. It would be hard for Odium to get them to turn on each other. This would give Odium motivation to agree to a proxy battle. One thing I don't understand is if it is some proxy contest to avoid direct shard on shard battle, how did Odium kill Tanavast and splinter Honor? The contest seems to be ongoing, maybe Odium "won" enough to be able to kill Tanavast.

It would make sense and it would be nice to have more non-Kholin family radiants. Especially with Bondsmiths since there can only be three. That's true, the only way around it is that some moons are male and some female. If the Sibling represents what people think about all three moons then people think of it being both and it rejects that. That's a reach on my part, but maybe. There's something weird going on with the Moon(s) and the Bondsmiths, but it doesn't have to be Sibling related. Like I said in the post I linked above the glyph Ishi is in the moon Mishim and Ishar, the endpages painting with Ishar and the moon.

Eh, yes and no. Shallan thinks of Pattern as a he, but unlike other Radiant spren we've seen the Cryptics don't have hair or facial features, or much in the way of distinguishing features on their torsos. They don't really express a gender like a human would. I could see a Cryptic seeing Spren gender as a "Lie" and thinking it's silly.

This reminds me of what Ishar warned Nale of as a justification for murdering surgebinders. Now I don't think the Honorspren and Ishar are necessarily talking about the same danger and I think Ishar is probably wrong or lying to Nale, but it's interesting that they both think Honor being gone makes the Radiants more dangerous.

I agree the Sibling is needed to make Urithiru run properly. As for it's origin's I think it has something to do with the moon(s). There is a recent WoB confirming the Sibling is referred to as they because they don't see themselves as having a gender. It probably thinks this because the object the Sibling represents isn't usually thought of as being gendered by people. This would fit with a moon or a tower like Urithiru not having a gender ascribed to it.

I could listen to you do 50 more of WoB episodes . Aesudan humming was probably a rhythm that Kaladin heard fighting from the Singers or Fused. He'd fought Fused a couple times and he was at the battle of Narak (briefly) could have heard the Stormform Parsh chanting. Aesudan had "bonded" with Yelig-nar before they got there and may have been hearing the Rhythms. Speaking of Gavilar, it seems like Brandon has all but said it is just Voidlight in those black spheres. I guess they have significance in letting us and eventually the characters know what Gavilar was up to, but Szeth's Chekov's Black Sphere doesn't seem that significant now. The Fused already seem to have plenty of Voidlight, access to what little is in those spheres won't make a difference. I'm with @Argent, I thought Amaram was one of the more interesting villains he secretly knew how to read and write that modified glyph language, he had a collection of flutes. His honorable facade wasn't all an act when he frees Taln he is appalled by the conditions of the asylum "I will have words with Dalinar about the way the insane are --". Then at the end of OB I was like "Oh, he's just a drooling monster now". Was a letdown, but I guess he's discarded to make way for Moashe to be Kaladin's main antagonist. There is also a WoB that Amaram was originally going to die in WoR, but he was switched for Sadeas. Pretty much everything Amaram does in OB Sadeas could have done and not missed a beat. Brandon was basically done with Amaram's story in WoR, he was subbing in for Sadeas in OB.

I think the idea is she was Brave and Obedient like a guard. She was someone who protects and now she assassinates. Now her allegiance is to whoever pays her the most, in the WoR prologue she'll turn on an employer if Jasnah is able to match the offer, and she disguises herself as a loyal servant of her target in order to sneak attack them. She doesn't have to be Chana, but I think it fits. Vedel with Healing would be a fit for Dova, the Herald posing as an Ardent that's helping Taravangian murder the sick in his secret hospital room. Taravangian says that she is Battar and I think Pailiah fits better, but I could be totally off.

The Ghostbloods are a very ambitious group.

I agree with Calderis and Argent, Dalinar can only fuel an Honorblade for a short time. The advantage of the Honorblades was that they allowed a continuous feed of investiture straight from Honor and Dalinar isn't capable of providing a sustained feed, yet. We don't see him re-fuel Kaladin, but I assume it was done by doing the last clap, merge the realms trick which Dalinar can't hold for very long. Or did smack Kaladin with whatever Dalinar used to open the Oathgate in Chapter 100 of OB and supercharge him that way? Are hose effectively the same idea, grabbing the spiritual realm and yanking it into the physical? There is a lot we don't know: Do the Honorblades no longer work because Honor no longer has a Vessel or because Honor was splintered? What did Dalinar actually do when he "Ascended" as Odium put it? Did he briefly unsplinter the Shard Honor or did he hold a large enough piece of it to create a perpendicularity which refueled the gems? Dalinar isn't Honor's vessel currently, so whatever Dalinar did temporarily, Honor went back to being splintered and Vesseless which means the direct fuel line won't work when Dalinar isn't actively doing whatever he's doing which he can't do for very long. Bottom line: Dalinar needs to work on his cardio, run steps up Urithiru. Get that endurance up buddy!

This is a strategy I had not thought of. He could pose as the Almighty, even Dalinar took Odium to be the Almighty when he first met him in the Vision. Without any sane Heralds to contradict him it could split allegiances. I don't think the whole church will go over, racism will take precedence over religious claims for some. Odium's forces are mostly Pashendi with creepy red eyes and dark violet glows ... and rock monsters. He might convince some to switch sides by posing as the Almighty, but he might have more success doing what he did with Amaram: showing him that his religion was a lie, that the Heralds lied and quit on humanity. Get them to give into despair.

Wyndle does specifically say Lift metabolizes food into Stormlight in the WoR interlude. I guess he could be wrong. On the length of the desolations, I like the idea of it taking longer than like anthousand years although the text and a WoB make it sound like it couldn’t have been many thousands of years. in the prelude Kalak thinks he’s been tortured for “Centuries, perhaps millennia”. Granted it would be hard for him to keep track, but his statement makes it sound like the length was over a thousand but not so long that he couldn’t confuse it for hundreds of years. Also, there is this WoB where Brandon says the whole Cosmere storyline takes place over about 10,000 years and Roshar is right in the middle of that timeline which makes it hard for the Desolations + 4,500 years to = 7,500 or more years. I guess he could have misspoke or something. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/97-idaho-falls-signing/#e2728

Probably. Biggest issues to get around are: the Spren wouldn't like to share, wouldn't normally choose to bond someone who is already bonding another spren. And that's a lot of Oaths to uphold.

I found him charming and I think he was genuine about a lot of things. Like @Calderis I think he was genuinely upset by Jasnah's heresy. When Shallan tells him she thinks Jasnah is trying to prove the existence of the Voidbringers he seems super upset that she would deny the Almighty, but believe in his enemies. I think he also really did care about Shallan and was tempted to abandon his mission to be with her. He tried to give her the jam antidote (jamtidote ), before he took any himself when he died. It's hard to know for sure, but he wasn't so bad ... apart from the attempted murder. He honestly doesn't feel like he fits with the rest of the Ghostbloods we met who all seem like ruthless, borderline psychos. They try to murder new members and their poor innocent carriage drivers, they killed all those people on that ship (which was done by hired killers, but still). In Ch. 22 of OB Mraize says things like: They're all like "Good is a point of view, Anakin" They don't seem to have noble or religious goal while Kabsil seems to believe he's serving a higher purpose. Maybe he's a newbie or he's really good at pretending.

It is odd, but they burn prayers with the idea that the smoke carries the prayers up to the Almighty. Plus Honor road the storms and while modern Rosharans don't know that, some understanding that the Almighty is in the sky seems to have remained. EDIT: "Almighty above" is a common Rosharan expression, they think he's up there.