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Fused can do it just get Gavinor to swallow a gem heart.

I don't seem to understand what you are saying? Do you believe that non God metals are still investure or not? If so then by definition all metals are God metals because a God metals is what happens when you bring investure to a material state with out make it into something else.

1. Ok now your change your story first you said they were the same thing now your saying one can become the other under specfic circumstances which one is it. If it the later then were in complete agreement. 2. I am well aware that investor can change state and become matter And energy, This is how God metels are made, A similar (but different) process was probably used to make the planets, As I said in the comment you quoted I 100% agree with this. 3. He doesn't need to. You just need to know that your lawyers concerning how metal should work in the cosmere. 4. You I don't know all the natural laws And yet if you saw something supernatural you could probably identify it as supernatural Without knowing every possible natural law that exists in our world wax is the same. 5. So basically exactly as I said more involved and simply finding 2 random pieces of uranium and rubing them together.

To be fair she didn't seem quite that interestedid in her Uncle either yet she still made him a cognitive shadow. And she was interested enough that she was gonna make her an avatar. So it's at least possible.

So I think what you are saying is that we are actually saying the same thing. Or so close to it that it doesn't matter. Am I on the right track?

1.You seemed confused I'm not talking about the mist or stormlight or god metals. Thos are just investure in a different state, but regular mater is not. Wax's experiments prove this. 2.Think about what you're saying, if all metal is investure then all metal is God metal, obviously this is not the case. 3. No that's not how physics works. If it was that easy to make nuclear explosions we wouldn't have needed the Manhattan project. 4. Neither one of the God metals is radioactive. 5. According to wax, Laws physics Within the casmere Investure breaks the laws of physics within the cosmere as well. 6. If regular mater, Was just investigature in a different state, Then it would be unaffected by temperature. As shown by wax, investure Does not change States Because of changes of temperature. The fact that regular mater in the cosmere does proves that it is no longer investure.

They can be converted one from another. That doesn't mean they're the same thing. You can soul cast water into stone That doesn't make water and stone the same thing. But as that scene proves they are not the same thing. Rubbing natural metals together Doesn't produce nuclear explosions, Even if one of the metals is unstable and radioactive. Regardless it feels like we're nitpicking as I don't see how this changes anything

Investiture can become mater or energy in the cosmere that not the same thing as being interchangeable. White sand can't be charged be Scadrial's sun, a radiant cant power surges with a lamp, metal doesn't cut the soul. Normal Mater and energy may have come from investure but now clear they are not the same.

If that were true then god metals would behave like regular metals instead of breaking the laws of physics. Investure even in a material form breaks the laws if physics. While all matter may have been created from investure, invest mater and regular mater are clearly not the same thing.

Fair point, still he would be qualified as a god if not the God. It's really a division between monotheist or polytheist Cosmology pre The shattering, not an atheist vs theist.

I'm not convinced we're see the last of her. Remember we know that autonomy is turn some of the set to cognitive shadows including her uncle so we might just see her again in era 3.

I don't see how this makes a difference. I mean the philosophers of the cosmere have a good answer to the question "where did god come from" but other than that?

It did create the universe. That has been said many times. We have no reason to believe that Adonalsium was ever created. All mater and energy was created from investure that has been said multiple times and is why shards exist every where at once. I still don't see how investure coalescing to be Adonalsium makes him not God? Also you contradict your self you just said he can't be God because he was created so can't be God (which would still make him a god at least) then you said he wasn't created but formed from coalescing investure? Which is it?

Not technically god? How? What are you even talking about? I don't see how been sentient investure makes him any less God? He created the universe and had (and it can be argued still has) authority over it. It that not technically God there your not technically human.

Funny I have almost exact opposite theory. Jasnah or some other radiant will attack Kharbranth. Sending odium into a mindless rage and resulting in him flooding the world with a world wide ever storm.

No bondsmiths can't leave Roshar.

The Knights radiance can't leave Roshar so no attacking gun factories. They could hit the ammunition supply lines though. They could probably make guns After The war starts but that will take time. Until they do they will have to be careful or they'll have massive losses in every engagement. At least among the not radiance.

There not going to be able to get guns in just 10 years stormlight muskets maybe but not guns. They will have more radiance and airships for sure.

Don't suppose you know what form the Aether seed took in AoN?

I don't see the connection Autonomy isn't splintering her self so she can't reform. And none of her other religions have experience as the center. There is not theme of freedom, or independence in the religion. There also they hole theme of the pilgrimage to different planets which doesn't make sense at all come from Autonomy. I do admit that the religion does have individualism as a theme and Autonomy dose have connection to the color gold (then again so dose odium) so perhaps there is something there. I wonder if there's a connection to the sleepless? They after all reproduce by splintering themselves.

This is possible. I have long suspected that the inteligent void spren were once human. Its possible that the same could be said for some of the unmade. Art all Aethers crystals that bonded to human bodies? Isn't that why twin souls has a crystal spot on his wrist? I that all aethers bound had that?

1.Good point but even if he is not a sliver I can't help but wonder if harmony doing this will do something to marsh spirit web. 2 .would be weird if going forward we hear stories of Iron eyes on other planets. 3.the Last part makes me said I hope he gets some friends in era 3.

She seems not solid enough. I mean Aethers are physical beings right? The unmade behave much more like cognitive creatures. And not a crystal in sight. I mean it's possible, but convergent magic systems seem for more likely, we have already seen this with light weaving. Besides the aethers of night dying would change things for AoN.

Isn't she an unmade?

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