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Are we positive that was a fabrial? I know it looked like one, but it could have been just a way to store some extra Stormlight, or something like a fabrial. Do we know the KR did not hold Growth? Did we see her use any other Surge? We didn't even technically see her fall from the sky, she was just suddenly there. Perhaps she can do Regrowth on her own, but the device makes it easier to do? A useful trick in a combat zone, something that turns "surgery" into "first aid." You are very kind! Thank you!

I'm not so sure we can dismiss the idea that Lyft can Allomance. I do think she'd need Scadrian metal, as I suspect that there is some innate quality of metal on Scadrial that makes it unique (i.e. a Mistborn on Roshar would need to bring Scadrian metal, he couldn't 'burn' Roshan iron). I admit I have no true evidence for this, it just seems to fit with the idea that a Shard Invests in the entire world, and that there is therefore something special about every pebble and breath of air on that world. I finish, as I tend to, by saying; imagine how novel an emerald from Sel would be on Roshar. Marvel at the gem that refuses to Infuse!

Hrm... but keep in mind that Nohadon specifically said, it's too bad not all spren are as choosy in their nahel bond as honorspren. So it's possible there is more than one kind of honorspren, but unlikely that all ten (and i realize it's technically speculation to assume there are ten) of them are.

But again... you just presented those two things as fact, when they are not. You don't KNOW that Shards cannot appear to the unInvested, and in fact someone else has provided proof that they can, as Preservation did. And unless you have a source I don't, you're simply assuming that Wyndle is a cultivationspren because it seems obvious. For that matter, you're assuming that honorspren are the reason Roshar isn't suffering Sel effects. Yes, you present one theory, and you do clearly say "this is only a theory," which is swell. But then you provide reams of supporting evidence as fact when they are at best guesses, and as has been shown at worst actually false. I like talking a lot about the potential cosmeric uses of allomantic copper and bronze. When I do, I put up big banners at the start of each post warning people they are entering speculationland, and that nothing I say is supported. Obviously I think I go a bit overboard, but your policy seems to be to state your guesses as fact, and just trust that everyone else knows not to take you seriously. There must be some kind of middle ground that wouldn't take much effort on your part, but would let people know whether they are reading something you're speculating on (which again, I'm not against, speculation can be amazing fun) or whether they're reading something you think is actually supported by the source materials.

Can you imagine a disembodied mind? Good. Now try to imagine a disembodied headache...

This... is all highly speculative. To avoid confusion, I wish you would indicate when you are giving your opinion or assumptions, rather than stating them as though they are fact. There are people who come to this forum who will get very confused, and think that you're saying things because they're true, not because you're trying to brainstorm one unlikely but possible interpretation of events. Just one man's opinion.

Leras never gave up the power of Preservation... he was always the Shard. He sacrificed his own mind to form a prison for Ruin, he didn't give up the power. He was a Shard until he died. He was never a Sliver.

I envision it mattering on externality, primarily. I can envision, maybe, at extremes, when burst or fueled by mist, copper managing to block something like a steelpush, but I couldn't imagine it quenching a Tineye. It couldn't stop Kaladin while he's full of Stormlight, but perhaps it could make it harder for him to Invest. It couldn't stop an Awakened rope in the middle of strangling him, but if he caught an Awakener giving Commands, maybe he could interfere, like what happens when you mumble, the Breaths go but nothing happens. I have a theory why it wouldn't be blocked. I think you cannot do both Bronze and Copper because they are direct opposites. I think it blocks emotional allomancy on yourself because that is external, and directed at you, and perhaps because it specifically is in the same mental group as Bronze. It's possible that Copper could deliberately be used to block use of malatium, but here's why I don't think it did. Malatium is temporal, rather than mental. The effects, the hallucination, might be considered mental, but that's secondary to its true bailiwick. Also, Vin herself was burning it. Allomancy frequently makes allowances for itself, like unconscious pewter-burning. Vin, especially, has always been an astoundingly good Allomancer; it's possibly she instinctively made a bit of room in her coppercloud to allow in the malatium-shadows. Lastly, malatium is the alloy of a God metal. I could be wrong, but I think that gives it a power boost. I at least wouldn't be surprised to learn that God metals, even their alloys, are a lot harder to Smoke than others.

Isn't that the basis of Compounding Feruchemy? Mistings can actually burn two things, so I don't see why Ferrings wouldn't be able to store two. Miles can burn a goldmind for either goldshadows of his past, or the stored health. It seems to be the same principle that if a Steel compounder burned steel while wearing a steelmind (yo dawg, I heard you like steel,) he'd be able to store that Allomantic power in his Steelmind. Just my two cents.

Is it theoretically possible for a Smoker to choose what he Smokes? i.e., Smoke only Pewter, or Smoke everything-but-Steel?

I confess I am slightly unclear on the definition of necro-ing: if someone could please define it for me, and tell me if I've just commited it or not, I would appreciate the tutoring. A thought occurred to me, a skill a super-smoker might have. Might it be possible to selectively smoke? Change your area to something other than a globe? Or, to decide WHAT you Smoke? Smoke only Pewter, or smoke everything-but-Steel? For example. Let's say we've got a Mistborn undercover as a coinshot. He's in mid-jump, and another coinshot flies up to tackle him. He wants to burn an instant of pewter to give him an edge in the crash, but he worries there might be seekers. If he simply burns copper, any seeker would realize he was suddenly in a cloud, and wonder where it came from. If he were amazing with copper, could he burn to mask ONLY pewter? So he's burning copper, steel, and a moment of pewter at the crash; a Seeker, however, would sense the steel and nothing else, and would only have the worldview to accept the idea that this coinshot could not possibly have been in a coppercloud, and must just be really hard core. Thoughts, anyone? I admit, this is rampant speculation, but does anyone have a thought one way or the other on it?

Or just hand it to a trained metallurgist, tell him what I want, and give him money. LIKE MAGIC!

I don't know that this whole process is necessary... I think we've got WoB that if you take a Ferring's power, you are allowed to access any Metalminds he's created. Basically you take the specific bit of him that made the metalmind in the first place, so that part of you has his "identity" enough to access his metalminds. It might also be VERY hard to stab someone through an Ironmind with... was it iron that takes physical feruchemy?

Aha, thank you! And thank you, Weiry!

No one is mentioning Nohadon in Dalinar's vision... he expressly says, and I'll find the direct quote when I get home, that it's a shame not all spren are as choosy as honorspren. I believe this to be a heavy implication that not all Spren choose their bond the same way. Thus, the Ring, whatever it is, likely only influences a sub-set of Spren, not all of them. I could be misinterpreting the facts, however. I am eager to hear how anyone thinks this affects any of the theories so far.

Yes. I believe everyone agrees that Aon Rao was a fact of Sel, and then someone built Elantris for the express purpose of crafting one giant "spell". I believe we have WoB somewhere in the annotations that the Aons were not invented by man; they are as inherent to the nature of Sel as gravity or thermodynamics. Fine, I'll be more specific: It's based on one arbitratry definition of a few words. That is one possible way to interpret a connection between Devotion and Dominion, but that doesn't mean it's the only possible interpretation or that it's right. And in post twelve you talked about a connection to the "dominion (government) that controls the land." And... the fact that later in this post, you once again talk about the magic having to do with someone mentally associating themselves with the government. I'm still very confused at your confusion. This is why I thought you were saying that the dominion is the government. I truly don't understand what you mean. If it is tied to the government or national identity, the magic of modern Arelon should be very different from the magic of the past which was presumably a different nation with a different government, and since they both use Aon Rao, that seems unlikely. If it is NOT tied to the government, then I do not understand what can change in the future that would make a single, unified system of magic. The only thing that works is if your interpretation is "I define myself by the physical borders of land around me" which seems... incredibly specific conjecture, not to mention having little to do with "devotion" and almost nothing to do with "dominion" until you stretch both words to the breaking point. Speculation is fine, but a lot of one thing I like about this forum is that people will frequently back up their claims with supporting evidence. As Terry Pratchett once said, only those with their feet on solid ground can build castles in the air.

I know this is how it works in the MAG, but I don't think so. Compounding for Feruchemy only requires the one metal two different ways. I don't think Compounding for Allomancy has to be any more complicated. I know this makes a Soulbearer not terribly useful on his own, but a duralumin gnat isn't very helpful on HIS own, either. Not every Ferring and Misting is useful. Still, it's just a feeling I have, and I can't prove it any more than you can prove yours, beyond "it feels right". I guess we'll have to wait and see who will turn out to be right. I don't believe they are. My first read-through I assumed the same thing, but on my second read I was on the lookout; they expressly say that there are no more full Mistborn, and I just assumed that meant there also were no more Keepers, but why would they die out? The power stayed, as strong as it ever was, after all living Feruchemists were transmogrified, and through a thousand years of selective breeding. After only 300 years, I'm sure there are at least a few Terris families who kept their bloodlines pure enough to be full Keepers.

I agree wholeheartedly. I think Ati realized he would eventually succumb to his Intent, and so chose to Invest alongside the only being who could, and would, always counter him. Leras, for his part, was handed his own Intent on a silver platter: utter statis. Everything preserved perfectly. But while Ati caved to his Intent so much he became obsessed with destroying the entire planet, Leras actually bucked his entire Intent in order to create something new, risk utter destruction and guarantee his own death, for the hope of eventual progress. I think it would literally take more comprehension than a human brain is capable of to understand how much willpower it took Leras to fight the Intent of Preservation so hard as to set these plans in motion.

All right. All of that is fine... but if you just present evidence like this with no caveat, I think you can see that it will cause a bit of confusion. Instead of saying, "Cultivation no longer holds her power to my knowledge," which makes it sound as though you have some reason to believe this to be the case, you could phrase it as, "I theorize that the woman who once held the Shard of Cultivation might have lost that power; we know Odium shattered Honor, he could have done the same for her, possibly with non-fatal results." This would make it clear that it is supposition, and you wouldn't have to put up with us all bothering you afterwards to ask for supporting evidence. I've found on these forums specifically that the vast majority of people make flat statements when they have supporting evidence; obviously you don't have to do that, but I think you'll often find yourself misunderstood among this group.

Cultivation, unless you know something I don't, is probably still alive and still a Shard. Of the other people you list... well, you list Ati twice, once as Ati and once as Ruin (I know they are different people, but "held the power of a Shard and no longer do" can only refer to one person when you mention Ati). Everyone else you list is currently dead. I know that Kelsier hung around briefly, which distinguishes him slightly, but I'm not sure that ever was (or could be) permanent, and is far less of a distinguishing characteristic than you're suggesting. Rashek did not get his powers from being a Sliver. I mean, there's a connection, since he gave himself the powers while he held the power of Preservation, and he's a Sliver because he held the power of Preservation, but the two facts are "second cousins" at best; they are not "this one caused that one". And the Nightwatcher isn't a Sliver, unless you know something we don't. Allomancy might be attached to the Spiritweb but he no longer possesses a stomach to burn metals. Also, while we know the spiritweb is involved, does anyone have proof-positive that your physical body doesn't matter? If it didn't, why would the power be passed genetically along family lines? It's possible he couldn't have "just any body". The way a feruchemically stored trait can only be accessed by the donating feruchemist, it's possible that Kel would need both his spiritweb and the body it came in to be a Mistborn; after all, hemalurgy steals bits of your spiritweb, but they still need to obey the laws of the bindpoints on a physical body. I didn't mean to imply that I think you have any burden of proof. Like I've said before, it's entirely plausible, I just personally don't believe it. I think you've made a lot of conjecture detailing one way that Kel might be part of the 17th Shard. I think it's a stretch with no foundation, but I certainly couldn't disprove it. I think I could just as convincingly argue that Ham is the founding member of the 17th Shard, because we don't know what happened to him after Hero of Ages. You've chosen to suggest this idea, as is entirely your right on this forum. I've suffered before as the victim of "why did you post something you can't prove" and I'm sorry if I came across as being that antagonistic. I personally think your idea is unsupported, but there are 30-some-odd books in the cosmere yet to be published, so the support might simply be forthcoming. If you turn out to be right, you'll look like a prophet.

I was recently wondering if there were any way to "clear" a metalmind. I'm sure I've read somewhere that once a tin ring becomes a tinmind, it cannot be used feruchemically for anything or anyone else until the Investiture in it is clear (i.e., the same feruchemist cannot use it for a different sense, and a different feruchemist could not store their own attribute in it). I was wondering, if I'm a Keeper and I pick up a copper clip only to sense that someone's memory is inside of it, is there any way I could "clear" it out so that I could use it, or at least touch it without seeing the shadow reserve of another feruchemist? Seeing Mr. Sanderson's words, however, I do wonder. Does that mean an attribute is always stored equally spread across a metalmind? Not that it would be terribly useful, but I wonder if a skilled Keeper might be able to deliberately store an attribute in one specific half of a metalmind?

I read somewhere, I think in an annotation though I'm not sure, but I know it's WoB. I will try to find it for you. You know an Inquisitor was after Vin. They attacked Camon's crew, and Camon, when they traced Vin back to him. Much later, it was revealed that they took down Theron, having traced his connection to Camon, and by extension Vin. I'm still not sure exactly how this could be managed, but Mr. Sanderson's word on the matter is that the Inquisition followed Vin's trail until they realized it led to her alias as Valette, and so attacked the barge for that reason. Good eye, though. I didn't pick it up on my first read. I did notice it on my second read, but then I heard the answer. Upvote for sharp eyes and a clever mind.

I'm the cute one. The Seons look better in the dark, and a bit more close-up so you can see their Aons. I only have this one pic on my phone, maybe Paperclip can post his pics, and I'll try to get them from my friend. Between the hugest signing line, and the only fans who brought props, I like to think Brandon "won" this multi-author signing...

So... is that based on real-world science that you guys both know? When earthquakes happen in real life, that actually reduces the fertility of fields? Or are you just guessing based on what seems reasonable to you?

Your argument seems to be based entirely on speculation and your personal interpretation of some words. And on the idea that the new Arelish people somehow crafted the same form of government as the people who originally built Elantris? For that matter, once the Elantrians were a thing, the government changed again. Why didn't the magic? As an active "spell," I think that the Aon Rao that is Elantris is both a product of the magic system, and part of it. Though perhaps you and I mean different things when we say "a part of the magic system". Are you saying that you think one orignal system of magic created Rao, and even though that system is now defunct, the spell it crafted remains active? And there is WoB (which I will find when I'm not running out the door to watch Thor 2) that Aons are not "developed". Unlike normal language, Aons exist, independent of human will or imagination. They only await discovery.