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There is the fact that we have WoB that, depending on how you count it, there are either 10 or 30 types of "magic" on Roshar. The implication is that there are 10 "orders" made up of the same two surges, but you can access "orders" in three ways, presumably one way from Honor, one from Odium, and one from Cultivation. Thus, there'd be the Windrunners who access Pressure and Gravity via Honor, another group who accesses the same two powers via Cultivation, and a third who does so via Odium. This is obviously largely speculative, and far from proven. Still, it lends credence to the base theory that the Voidchart does have something to do with what we know of the Surgechart. (Though, what do we know of the Surges that Stonewards can access? are they especially stony? There's nothing terribly "windy" about any of the three Lashings we know Kaladin can use. Yes, he's got Atmospheric Pressure which is a rather windy surge, but has he ever used it in a way that has anything to do with wind?

In a short time, I am going to my local Barnes and Noble, where I will be allowed one free hour (as I am every day) to read any book I wish. I will presumably be able to finish Shadows for Silence in that time. Do we know, will there be a forum to discuss that book going up any time soon?

The Parshendi have multiple forms for multiple uses. One grows bone-armor for combat. Others make them better workers, others make them faster. The Dakhor ONLY alter their bodies for power. That we've seen, I suppose. It's possible there are monks out there who kill people and use the power to warp the bones painfully inside their own bodies so that they'll be better at gardening.

Would any earth genetics explain how Adolin would have strands of blond hair and strands of black hair from a black-haired parent and a blond-haired parent? Moash's oath is most interesting because it's the same one as (or at least very similar to) the one Dalinar swore; we don't see any other noblemen swear it. Is it a particularly noble oath? (the obsession with ancestry makes that seem likely). Is it a Dalinar-specific oath? (which would be fascinating as it implied a connection between Moash and Dalinar). Is it simply something any Alethi might say? (which would be boring since now it means nothing, also why then doesn't anyone else ever say it?)

Brainstorm... what if the people who enslaved the Parshmen aren't as bad as we think? All I say is largely speculative, so I warn you I cannot defend my points: I'd welcome anyone who can offer concrete proof that anything I say is wrong. Posit this scenario: The Parshen and the humans live in peace. Everyone know about forms and spren and songs. Odium corrupts spren and turns Parshen into Voidbringers, a form of evil they cannot (or now don't want to) leave. The humans have the option to simply slaughter their friends, former allies, and now innocent victims of Odium. What if they found another way? From a Parshen perspective, it would probably be worse than death to lose your song, but I can see how humans would believe survival was sufficient. What if humans learned how to sever the bond with the corrupted spren? Leaving the Voidbringers with no form, no song whatsoever. Perhaps at first they didn't realize the process was irreversible. Now all of a sudden their former allies are not much better than beasts. They take these people in, taking pity on them, giving them jobs to do to make them feel useful. As time goes on, the respect fades, as generations later the noble Parshendi are nothing but a myth your grandfather heard from his ancestors, and for decades, maybe centuries, they've been nothing but near-mindless servants. The disdain sets in, they start being taken for granted, losing respect, and becoming nothing but property. Thoughts?

...unless you're their lawyer.

This is my issue with analogies. Please understand I'm not accusing you of a particularly bad analogy, I just don't like analogies as a whole for this reason. You've given us a way to think about pressure via water jets, but it's falling apart because now we're thinking about the other effects of water jets and they don't apply in this case. But Lift isn't a rock. A rock WILL just sit there and let forces apply to it. If you were holding a polished, lubricated rock on a polished, lubricated surface and it was squirming like all get-out, yes, theoretically you could constantly apply perfect pressure in such a way as to always counter the exact force, but realistically that's implausible. Lift would eventually throw all her weight in one direction, your force would become imbalanced and, if I understand my physics correctly, the force would likely redirect and send her flying in a different direction.

You mean the one time she slid across the floor away from Darkness? I read that a few times because it was very unclear to me... he did expressly say "whole body" but there were other parts that made it sound like she was basically kneeling down... I shall perhaps read it a third time. It is frustrating that the one part that would specifically answer this question was (to me at least) one of the least visual moments.

It looks like my work here is done.

Valid. The other conundrum is the idea of having the fat and flesh burned off your bones every day only to appear anew... Is that just part of being a Herald? Rapid healing?

I offer my services as legal counsel if you'd like to pursue the matter, Feather. Contract law is a specialty of mine. You may have heard of some of my work; do you know the Oathpact?

Elantris spoiler. Mistborn spoiler. Conclusion: it's not simply a matter of any Investiture will negate any other Investiture. It seems some systems of Investiture work in specific opposition. And that even when they do, sheer raw power can overcome the obstacle. Also not sure I agree with the idea that Shardplate can block Shardblades simply by virtue of being Investiture. If that were the case they wouldn't be able to cut a big enough fabrial, either. Shardblades work so interestingly with so many different things known about them, I feel we don't truly understand their underlying logic yet enough to make any decisive decisions.

OMG I THINK THIS IS MY FIRST NINJA EVER! w00t. I'm gonna go out and kick a pirate in the shin now...

It is interesting to note that Heralds usually die, and that dying automatically send them to "hell". I actually wonder somewhat if this ties in with their apparent longevity... on the one hand, it seems that death is how they "go" to "hell," based on the fact that dying is the only way we know for them to go there for sure. And since they're still alive after all this time, they've apparently managed to avoid death. Compare this to the idea that "not going to Hell" is high on their list. Logically, i can see evidence that dying sends you to Hell, much the way it sends people on Nalthis through the "iridescent tones". There are a few scraps from the books discussing the afterlife... Endowment with her Returned, Kelsier sticking around in the Cognitive for (apparently) hundreds of years, the fact that Harmony says he can't bring them back "yet". Perhaps Hell is a place that ISN'T in any of the three realms; maybe it is where spirits go beyond. Maybe with preparation beforehand, the combined might of Honor and Odium could decide, "these ten people; when they die, we will track their progress beyond the Realms, leaving something in place that will let us draw them back out again." However... I dunno. My gut says no. I get that it could work, but Kalak's description is just too visceral to me. Too specific, too physical. He doesn't discuss angst or existential anything, they are very clear and specific physical acts being performed upon a body. It strikes me that it HAS to be somewhere physical.

I don't think it's ever worked that way in the book. If it were the case, Breeze wouldn't be able to Soothe Ham when he's burning Pewter; in fact, all metals would make you immune to emotional allomancy. I think you have a certain degree of point... It does seem you can take in more Stormlight than a modern Scadrian Thug can burn pewter, so it's possible that if Lift, for example, was super awesome she could resist some forms of interference... but I don't think that extends outside of her own skin. Kaladin would have to touch the floor, use Stormlight to "paint" it with a Full Lashing, and then somehow get Lift to touch it; she'd be stuck like glue. Since the Full Lashing isn't doing anything to her... well, insides, I'm not so sure her Stormlight would protect her in that instance. There's another question. If I understand how glue works, Lift should be able to Slick her way out of that, yes?

Not sure if you went off on a bit of a tangent (an interesting one, let me say) or if you're confused as to what I meant... I wasn't talking about someone deliberately crafting a fabrial to use corrupted spren, I meant that a Voidbringer might corrupt a spren, send it to a fabrial, and have it take over the fabrial, wresting control away from the human who thought he was operating it. Your idea of using artefabrianism in an attempt to counter the Voidish ability to corrupt spren by trapping (maybe even controlling) corrupt spren is a fascinating one I hadn't considered...

Yeah I basically started this post wondering at this one specific conflict, but I thought i'd leave the name open in case someone wanted to contrast, I dunno, division with surface tension, not that we know what those are yet.

They can still be bindspren. Whether it's via vacuum, glue, or held together with string, two things are bound together. Flamespren presumably show up regardless of type of wood burned, or even if you're burning charcoal, or anthracite.

Surely there are options that lie between 'single-directional' and 'omnidirectional'. If two rocks are Lashed, neither is being held immobile. Rock A is feeling pressure towards Rock B and vice versa. If you move Rock A, Rock B comes with. If you flip the rocks 180 degrees, they're now feeling pressure each in the opposite direction. I honestly have trouble understanding how pressure could achieve this effect without a lot of obvious side effects we haven't seen. Is it possible to theorize pressure in exactly half of all potential directions?

It does fit the circumstances better. In such a case, only friction would keep the surfaces from sliding across each other, yes?

Wouldn't your model crush mmost things? If I fully-lash two teacups together, and according to your model that means they experience omnidirectional pressure so great that rocks would literally tear before the bond broke... wouldn't that be enough pressure to shatter the cups? Or even just people. When Szeth Lashes people to that table, shouldn't they have been unable to breath? If your model is correct, then I agree with you. But something about your model doesn't seem to fit the actual circumstances.

Sorry; what are we discussing that is from the Steelhunt but not Words of Radiance readings?

Interesting phrasing, and I agree with you. I'm not certain and I have no proof from the text, but I'm not sold that the Parshen are entirely non-Voidy. If the real Voidbringers can corrupt Spren to make thunderclasts, and they can use corrupted spren to corrupt the Parshen, might they be able to corrupt fabrials?

First, I disagree. She's held to the floor by gravity and she slicks past that just fine. However strongly two surfaces are pressed together, only friction keeps them from sliding across each other. Second, I disagree. The Ars Arcanum of WoK strongly suggests, though it does not flat-out say, that the Full Lashing is an aspect of the Surge of Atmospheric Pressure, not Gravity.

Could Lift Slick her way out of a Full Lashing?