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Chapter 46, Vivenna learning to Awaken via trial and error. Granted, not hard-and-fast. It is from the perspective of someone who herself doesn't understand Awakening. That said, until someone can prove me wrong, I'm taking as strong, if not conclusive, evidence that you cannot drain color from your own, living, hair. If you have Royal Locks and cut them off, then yes, you should be able to use the color, then grow more hair, as long as you have the metabolic energy to do so. As was stated (I think in the OP), your remaining limitation on Breath makes this far from over-powered, not to mention that it's something not everyone can do very often. Still, an interesting little side benefit to being Returned, or the child of a Returned. Someone menioned the assassin-maid... two Breaths probably would not be enough to Awaken anything strong enough to kill. Why not just store Breath in a shirt? For that matter, is this really an easier form of assassination than a knife or poison? Occam's razor might apply to killing people as easily as scientific conjecture.

Agree with everything name_here just said. Also, I brought up once the idea of ancestral Awakened things, and someone told me we have WoB that Breaths used to Awaken aren't necessarily eternal; that if they bond to something that was never human (like a rope, however much it looks like a human) that it will eventually lose Breath until it powers down, and that things that aren't even organic (like metal and stone) shed Breath that much faster; Nightblood and Lifeless, obviously, being special cases. So, could someone like Vasher possibly do it? Maybe. Will it become mainstream? Unlikely.

Random thought and the answer is probably no... Imagine a white wall. Imagine a normal lantern with a normal candle, but now hold up a piece of red glass between it and the wall. There's now a patch of red color on the wall. If an Awakener touched that square of red, is it possible she could drain the pigment from the colored glass to power her Awakening?

Ah. Sorry, I misunderstood your initial post, then. I still don't agree with you, however. You speak of Kelsier having power, of him being something more because he's a Sliver. How he's like chained-Ruin. I disagree. I don't think being a Sliver gives you anything concrete. Being a Sliver gives you the potential to be/do something more, not a constant boost in power. It's rather like being a former President of the United States; you get a library and a security detail and it's great at parties, but you haven't got any actual political power anymore. Add that to Kelsier's state of being dead and, well... Ruin, even chained, was a Shard. I'll admit I've always been a bit fuzzy on this, so someone please feel free to correct me. A Shard has a mind, a body, and a power. Ruin's mind was (mostly) trapped. About halfway through his imprisonment, Rashek hid his body. His power has always been free, the instinctive force of Ruin opposing the force of Preservation like a see-saw. Kelsier is nothing like that. His physical body is dead, digested, and utterly divorced from his current state. True, he once briefly directed the power of Preservation, but being a Sliver does not grant him any true Power of his own, and his Mistborn power, such as it was, died with his body. His mind... I'd like to know the premise for your beliefs about deific cognition. I have heard things here and there about it in the Cosmere, but I don't know anything concrete. I know the basics for how apotheosis works in other books, where enough people worshipping you turns you into a god, but I have no idea how that works in the Cosmere, though things I've heard suggest it is a thing. If you can link me to any information we have on the subject, you would find me most grateful. That said, we've never seen any large-scale deific intervention that wasn't a result of a Shard. If a generic "god" has any power on any shardworld. I will need to see some compelling evidence before I accept that the Church of the Survivor grants Kelsier the power to do as you suggest. And even if it did, surely a church on one world wouldn't grant you the power to travel to other worlds and meddle? Lastly... I feel that Kelsier is, in fact, done. Ghosts are not meant to wander the earth. He took care of those he loved, and at the end of the final book it is heavily implied that, at long last, he is given the opportunity to introduce Mare to Vin, the daughter she always wanted. Death can change a man, and I personally believe that Kelsier realized it was finally time for him to rest. And if he didn't, Vin and Mare were there to smack some sense into him. All that said, I fully admit I have little to no hard data to support my suppositions. You could very well prove to be entirely correct. I simply don't believe so.

It unfortunately does not; in fact, according to the rules of the MAG, it doesn't even work that way for hearing and sight. I think it would not be difficult to home-rule something like the limitation on peripheral vision, or to insist on an easy Physique roll to fight the nausea of using sight, but there's nothing about it in the rules. By a strict reading of the book, it's basically just allomantic tin, but for one sense at a time and without an upper threshold on power. I'm intrigued by the Blessing of Awareness... if I recall, we don't get to experience much of it firsthand in the books. We know each tin spike, like a tinmind, can take only one sense. Yet with only two spikes, a kandra can apparently enhance every sense. The MAG does point out this discrepancy, and apparently simply claims that yes, there is a unique interaction between these two spikes and the physiology of a kandra that enchance all five senses, the way the four strength spikes of a koloss nevertheless give you saggy blue skin and a growth spurt that won't quit.

What would you like to know about Feruchemical tin? I've got the book and I'm re-reading it in preparation for a few one-shots at my FLGS.

A RAFO doesn't guarantee he'll eventually talk about it, but considering the question it is unlikely he'd RAFO it for other reasons. Or I'm guilty of wishful thinking. I was hoping he'd post the pic he said he'd tweet and I could link it. I'm on vacation and it isn't the easiest to upload pictures. I will try to do it tomorrow morning.

The Letter also says that the receipient knew Ati before he took up Ruin. I do not think Kelsier did. Also, i will find it when i am sessile, but i think te receipient is confirmed to be a dragon from Yolen.

...for your sheer dedication to this concept, up vote. I actually had an alcomage in a story I wrote once. In the world every Mage has an elemental affinity. Wood, fire, soil, water, air were common ones. People sometimes had odd and specific ones, like sunshine. My guy had alcohol. His potions were all alcoholic and he was more powerful while drunk, and he had enough resistance to the deadly effects of alcohol to use his powers without having a 50 percent chance of dying every night.

I was actually thinking about Intents and independent will yesterday. Preservation agreed to weaken himself to create humanity, he betrayed Ruin and sacrificed his own mind. He set up a plan that would require his own and Ruin's deaths, just so humanity could grow and progress. All for the express purpose of betraying his own intent. He wants stasis. That is his intent. His stalemate with Ruin was the definition of that. preservation set up literally the entire trilogy and thousands of years of history all to work as hard against his own Intent as possible. Leras was pretty hardcore, is what I'm saying.

Up vote from someone else currently away from home to help with a niece! Mine is newborn.

Hey all! Still on vacation, but I will get the chasm line picture up as soon as I can. Don't let your anticipation get too high; his drawing sucks. Okay, I think I got it up. The chasm on Aon Aon should be obvious enough. If it isn't obvious on Rao, it is the lower of the horizontalish lines, the one touching the lowest circle. The event was amazing. Brandon came in and saw paperclips' Seon, and gave us a code right then and there for it. A lot of fans liked them. Most of the people we saw there seemed to be fans of Brandon, as borne out when they divided the signing line by author and his was easily three times the length of any others. At the discussion, boy does Mr. Sanderson like to talk. his answers were like The Way of Kings compared to Paolini's Eragon. He also decided they should swap books for their readings, and he ended up reading from Eragon, presumably because he did not realize how much made-up-language was gonna be in it. My favorite moment; a woman stopped us to ask about the Seons. My friend asked if she was a fan of Brandon. She replied, "well, I married him, so... Yes."

Yeah, that was my question. I just wrote on the index card: Pronounce this: "Sazed". His answer was a lot longer than I intended, and he admits that he himself pronounces Kelsier wrong.

Do the specifics of your hemalurgy affect how you are affected by Ruin (or Harmony) ?

So, I'm making Seons for myself and my friends to carry at the event. Trying to decide which Aons to pick. I've made the blanket decision to stay away from Ashe and Opa, since those are "characters", though I might make myself an Ien, if only because I sorta want to ask why the word for Wisdom heals people, and this would be a nice icebreaker. However, what think you of my other ideas: Maybe Edo, if only for the simplicity (I have terrible artistic skills). Also, if I'm gonna wander the mean streets of the city that never sleeps, i could do worse than doing so with a servant named Protection. Aan? Truth, fact. What I want to get out of Mr. Sanderson. Ial? Helpfulness, aid. Again, hoping the AonDor affects our favorite author and makes him feel more magnanimous. And of the ones on the Coppermind page and the ones in the Glossary at the end of Elantris, so far that's all I've got. I am open to suggestions. Though truthfully, after a few horribly failed attempts, I assume my friend and I will realize we're terrible at this, and go with Edo and Aon.

Upvote for science. That said, I'm not sure it "needs" to be that purely physical a reaction. I could see the following scenario: The body, the "power" of Ruin is locked into the physical shape of atium. A human burns it, using it, "releasing" the power into the cosmere in nebulous, useless form. The "pool" acts as a beacon, drawing this nebulous energy to itself. This energy huddles around the pool, and the geodes react, drawing the power in and turning it into solid atium via a process that doesn't make any sort of sense. Extract, burn, repeat. Of course, this is utter conjecture and could be wholly wrong. I think we've heard for sure that Ruin's pool is at the Pits, however. We saw that when Rashek used up the power at the Well, it regenerated in 1024 years. The 'power' of the atium seems to replenish itself similarly. One theory I've heard is that lerasium also regenerates, just very slowly, explaining why after 1024 years there were two beads at the Well (the question at the time was, why would Rashek leave ANY beads behind). We know Preservation's Shardpool and atium will both regenerate after being used; if the other metal and Shardpool act similarly, then we are left with the coincidence of metal and pool both regenerating at the same physical location. I realize correlation does not mean causation, but Occam's razor, some sort of connection seems very likely, whatever that connection is, whether the pool is part of the generation of the solid or if they're both effects of the same cause.

That's cool; Mi'ch, do you think I'd have a shot if I told them something like that? How do you feel about name-dropping? "Hi, my friend Mi'ch says sometimes you let her leave a recorder on the table to pick up questions and answers. Do you think it'd be cool if I did that?" Do you think that'd work? I prolly can't call myself a spokesman for the official fansite, but maybe I can get away with "member" of the official fansite? Does that sound too pretentious? Believe it or not, in person I can be rather charming when I try. There's a reason I idolize Breeze.

I don't know about this one. I think I've seen people put too much emphasis on connection between a Shard's Intent and its Investiture. Does Allomancy really "preserve" anything? What's especially Devotional about AonDor? Why would Shallan bonding to a Truthspren and being able to transmogrify be a function of either Honor or Cultivation? And what about Feruchemy, which doesn't even have a parent-Shard? I don't think there's evidence to support the idea that Intent and Investiture are tied as closely together as people seem to assume. I very well might ask the Ien/Wisdom/Healing question; my costume will involve a Seon, and perhaps he'd be more willing to answer the question if I actually bring in Ien. Thanks, guys! I will go over this list and perhaps look over the Master List and come up with options. My smartphone isn't exactly a genius, so I think I'll forgo attempting to get a voice-recording app. I'll see if I can pick up a dictophone from Staples with either USB or an SD card or something.

It's nitpicking because the point of this thread is that they are correlated in some way, however that way is. Everyone agrees on that. The specific correlation isn't germane to the topic, and that makes it nitpicking. Please see below... So yes. The OP is flat-out saying here that those Intents are opposing or complementary. As I said before, I don't accept that premise. I don't think either Devotion/Dominion, or Honor/Cultivation, either oppose or complement. So basically, my response to the intent of this thread is, there's nothing forcing correlated Shards together, for the express reason that out of three groupings we've seen, only one has correlated Shards.

All right. I think it could be said that if you look at it from that perspective, change versus stasis, they are opposite, the way if you look at numbers as binary, 1 and 0 are opposite, even though if you apply a different framework, the opposite of 1 would be -1, the way the opposite of "destruction" would be "creation", not "preservation". But that's not my big point of contention here; I accept that those Shards are complementary, we're just nitpicking. I still say there's nothing complementary about Honor and Cultivation, or about Devotion and Dominion. You can point out similarities, but not exclusive ones.

You all seem so entirely certain and I'm just never that certain when it comes to time manipulation. There's a ton of physics being broken here, so I don't know that it's safe to say "the metal and allomancer are both inside the bubble so that can only mean one thing." Even so, what do you think that it means? Five seconds would pass for the Allomancer while a femtosecond passed outside?

Thank you, I see it now.

That's the thing... burst bendalloy burns instantly. But is the instant inside, or is the instant outside?

It seems people tend to record the audio of the questions and answers. Any advice on how that's done? A dictophone is hardly the best tool for people speaking across a crowded room, but I doubt I'll be able to convince Mr. Sanderson to wear a lav. Can anyone give me a helpful hint or two that they've learned from these attempts? I don't know that I want the Seon to float, and it will be a million times easier to just fill it with breath (and yes, I will say "My life to yours, my Breath become yours" before I inflate it) and let it hang down from a stick. And this way if the string breaks or the knot slips, I can pick the balloon up instead of losing it or having it fly into a light and pop or something. I'm trying to think of what could get the balloon to glow, I worry the liquid from a glowstick would all settle at the bottom and look odd. I've got a few small LEDs I plan to try to bring and fit inside, hopefully if I get a white balloon rather than clear it'll diffuse the light around the entire ball.

They could also be vastly different. Maybe spren are all invisible; maybe only the one Bonding can see them. Maybe they're giant (well, human-sized) like Sylphrena got that one time.