Elandera

It depends on each game and what the GM decides. The rules for this one state tied lynches end with a no-lynch. I second the call once again for Orlok to join and share his thoughts. We've been waiting anxiously for this 50+ multiquote post Luckily, I should have time before the next round of voting to do some real analysis. Hopefully then I'll get some more solid suspicions. I want to make sure my vote counts.

I believe it's for the same reason he voted for Fifth. You two were the other options for lynch before it swung to Itiah at the last minute.

I've been trying for the last two days to figure out who I think is most suspicious. Unfortunately, I don't have solid leads, just gut reads. I still have a few suspicions about Ark, but his response to votes seems genuine. At this point, I'm slightly suspicious of Orlok. I can understand that he's been saying life is a bit busy, but he's been promising analysis and explanations for a few turns now with no resolution to the promises. Orlok/Araris

Between NaNoWriMo and my work week beginning, I don't have a lot of time for analysis. However, I've noticed a few players haven't posted for a few days, so I invite them to join and offer their opinions: @Nohadon, @A Joe in the Bush, @xinoehp512, @Aonar Faileas.

I apologize if it seemed disingenuous. But as Fifth pointed out, I've had an unusually high rate of getting Pewter abilities. I'm kind of done with it. Based on how I now have to burn pewter every night to stay alive, I survived only because of my role as thug. I also did not get any PMs saying I was lurched. Personally, I think doing a WGG with a thug seems a bit risky because of the requirement that they be active enough every night to submit an action in order to stay alive. If I were an elim, I'd argue strongly against that strategy, especially with my past history of being killed because everyone found out I was a thug.

Avi didn't go to work that morning. Her mother had sent a letter to the constabulary office explaining her absence. Instead, Avi rested in the plush bed at her parent's mansion. She felt the pewter burning inside, helping to heal the wound from being attacked. She'd been on her way back to the carriage provided by her mother after attempting to meet with Lord Heron and his estate. Her dress had been tight and uncomfortable and her hair was pulled back so tightly it had given her a headache. She was so focused on how poorly she felt, she didn't notice the shadowed figure approach her. The footman had gone ahead with her parents, guiding them into the carriage, leaving Avi behind. All she remembered was a sharp pain, then blackness. The wound was bad. She'd lost a lot of blood. But at least she was alive. Whoever had attacked her had suddenly made her whole investigation a whole lot more personal. They would pay for what they'd done. As long as her injury didn't kill her. ------- I guess the cat's out of the bag. I'm a thug, which is how I survived the attack. I'm not entirely sure why I was targeted. Maybe I got a little too close to the truth with some of my guesses? Or maybe they wanted to throw more doubt toward Rathmaskal, whom I suggested might be elim with the votes that happened last time. If you attacked me, I'd love an explanation.

Nope, there's no night vote. It's a time to analyze the last day's discussion and wait for murders.

It would practically be suicide for someone to claim to be seeker, then tell the other person what role they have without actually knowing. If someone were to contact me, say they scanned me and found I was the wrong role, I'd immediately suspect them of fishing for information and likely push to lynch them. The chances (1/9) of guessing right seems a bit extreme of a chance when it could mean almost certain death if you were wrong. It would be a good idea for an actual seeker to claim to someone they scan to be a noble with some kind of role. One hour before the close of cycle, Rath was only one vote behind Itiah. The action to soothe away one of those votes could easily have been submitted before the sudden shift to Itiah, or before Steel's vote moved. If Rath is elim, and elims have a soother, they could have been worried about a village rioter shifting votes from Itiah to Rathmaskal. That would have dropped Itiah's count down to 3, and raised Rath's to 4 at minimum. That easily could have happened, considering Itiah himself was a Rioter. Itiah never posted after the bandwagon began, so I suspect he never had the chance. This also brings up the topic of what roles might be in the elim team. I suspect one form of vote manipulation. I believe it would likely be a Soother, since that role would be more difficult to discover than a Rioter. Rioters would have to avoid voting if they didn't want it to be fairly obvious that they may be somewhat involved in the manipulation. Elims also likely have a smoker. If they don't, they probably have a thug. I doubt they have a coinshot, though it wouldn't be completely implausible. From the size of group, it's possible they have up to five eliminators, a few being roleless. (Also Fura, it's the night turn, so there's no vote )

The first notable thing I've noticed is Fifth's influential vote on Rath was soothed (possibly Rioted, but that's based on the answer to my following questions). @Wyrmhero, is a Rioter required to vote in order for their action to work? Can a rioter make a vote a no-vote? There are a few possible things we can learn from the choice to soothe Fifth's vote: Rathmaskal is a soother Rathmaskal has a soother in their house who wanted to make sure vote manipulation didn't end with Rath's death Rathmaskal is an elim, soothing for the same reason as option 2 Elims wanted to set up Rathmaskal (as seen in a recent LG, can't remember which though) to get village to focus on a mislynch I'm currently leading to option 4, since the sudden pile of votes on Itiah seems very unusual to me. There seemed to be very little justification, even less than there was for CadCom's lynch. @Orlok Tsubodai, I would love still to hear your reasoning.

Avi waved the newspaper angrily at her captain for the second day in a row. "I told you things would turn sour with this Lord Heron business! Three people dead, and what's to stop more from starting? We need a list of people vying for the position." "Constable Renault," the captain responded slowly. "I've heard some rumors that you yourself might be among that number. I hope this isn't a ploy to take down your rivals." Avi's mouth gaped open. "Wha- No!" she shouted. "I don't even want to be lady of my own house, let alone Lord Heron's." The captain just raised an eyebrow at her. "If you insist, you can look into the deaths. I'll notify the constabularies of the octants investigating. Just keep your personal business out of it. Don't use this as a way to eliminate or intimidate your rivals. I don't want to hear anything about a conflict of interest." Avi nodded, and stalked away. "Stupid mother, already spreading stupid rumors. Ruin take her," she muttered. "Constable Renault, a letter just came for you," called one of her coworkers, a lanky man who seemed better matched for a clerk position than the constabulary. Avi took the note and broke the seal, knowing already what would be inside. Avi threw the note in the bin next to her desk and left the office. She had a mission now, to find and bring justice to the killers. She'd worry about her mother later. ----- It's quite the bandwagon that's popped up on Itiah. I'm not sure I see the full reasoning behind it. Most of his statements have felt very in-line with his style in past games. Rathmaskal is second in line for the lynch, and I'm not so sure I agree with that one either. It seems mostly centered around their belief there may be an eliminator among those who voted on CadCom. While that's possible, I also think it's a fairly NAI sentiment, since I've seen villager and elims focus on bandwagon votes in the past. I'm a little curious about Ark. For the second cycle, they've voted near the end, joining a bandwagon. This could be inexperience, but it seems a bit odd to me. Ark/Young Bard

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It's mostly a paranoid gut feeling. Nothing has stood out as blatantly problematic, which is why I'm not pushing for a lynch. Sorry that doesn't give much for you to refute. As for the reactionary, it had to do with your pattern of voting. Since I didn't track closely as I was reviewing the posts, I must have mistakenly placed your votes in the wrong chronological order. Looking at it again, I think the only vote you've made that came after someone else's vote was CadCom's, which came with your own analysis and reasoning. So that point is null, since it was my own oversight. I have also realized my own votes have all been placed after someone else's vote (though with my earlier one on Shqueeves, I hadn't realized you'd placed your vote there as well). That being said, your contributions are sliding you back to a village lean. I apologize if I'm seeming a little wish-washy with my opinions. NaNoWriMo is taking up a lot of my mental capacities right now. You make a good point. I don't think I have played in any games where elims used overtly elim tactics to appear village, so that's not something I have tried to watch for. I'm not going to place another vote yet, as I don't have a solid suspicion. If I were to do so now, I'd probably place it back on Shqueeves. I'll try to review him once again a little more closely before the end of the cycle.

It has to do with your RNG vote on Snipexe, then Devotary's death after having raised suspicion about that vote. However, now that I've had somemore time to think about it, that would be a fairly obvious (and probably not smart) elim move. Shqueeves/Young Bard

I disagree. If you consider Young Bard's post from N1, it's not so unusual. Of the two, I'd consider Snipexe's death to be a well-meaning village coinshot kill. As Bard said, if Snip flipped elim it would narrow down the list of possible elim suspects quite well. (Ninja'd by Fura) Devotary's death is the more unusual to me, which makes me think it's likely the elim kill. Here's my brief summary of major points from D1: Fifth made the first substantial post, pointing out house mechanics and including a poke vote on Snipexe and a praise vote for Orlok. The Furamirionind debacle, which led to a few votes on several people. CadCom's first post calling out Joe for an apparent early bandwagon on Fura. Orlok being suspicious of Fifth's flattering, and Fifth's response. Devotary suggesting a smoker for the Influential player to avoid vote manipulation, and countering Fifth's suggestion there might not be a coinshot. More discussion over whether it's smart or not to give Orlok extra voting power. Young Bard being mildly suspicious of Fifth, giving village lean to CadCom for mixing up Devotary and Orlok in a prior post. Snipexe disagreeing with the lynch against him, since it seemed to be full of more random votes than reasonable ones. Devotary calls out Shqueeves for having a "random" vote on someone who already had a vote (Snipexe). CadCom disagrees with Snip's lynch, agrees with praising Orlok, then brings up several points about possible outcomes of elims becoming Influential. He then provides a brief analysis. Fifth writes rather long post, seemingly in an effort to generate more discussion. Asks people questions about motivations for their votes. Agrees with Aonar that focusing on praise might not be helpful, and asking Ark why he voted on Snipexe. CadCom says he's switching up his playstyle, and the bandwagon begins with Orlok. Fifth's analysis of CadCom's posts, mostly pointing out a rambling and confusing style. Devotary says he seems more focused on summarizing than analysis. Xino doesn't think the sudden switch feels village. I said his posts were counterproductive for the village cause. MetaTerminal agreeing. CadCom provides a counter argument, voting on Snipexe in an effort to save himself (probably with soothing abilities) After all of that and seeing some of the interactions, here is a list of people I suspect might be elim Shqueeves - If Devotary's death was an elim kill, her post calling him out for a random vote might have been part of the reason for her death. That vote also seems fairly suspicious to me. There are plenty of people who don't lead votes, but it's also a comfortable place for an elim to be. With a vote already on Snipexe, an RNG vote seems out of place. MetaTerminal - They joined the CadCom lynch fairly easily and without much explanation. It's not enough yet for me to call for a lynch, but it's enough for me to keep an eye on them. I might also include Xino, but I haven't seem much from them to go one way or the other. Fifth Scholar - This could be my overly paranoid mind, but as Orlok and Bard had pointed out, some of Fifth's statements just feel a bit off. He's been contributing a lot, but it's also been a fairly supportive role rather than a leading one as I usually see from him. However, there are several things he's done that definitely feel village. I think I'll hold off for now, but keep an eye on him. I am also getting a fairly good village vibe from Bard. Shqueeves/Young Bard

I admire CadCom's desire to change up his play style, so that wasn't the reason I voted on him. It was largely because of how he phrased things in a way that felt like an attempt to obscure his point. There was no real reason yet for a lynch on Snipexe, and though Orlok can be dangerous, I don't think that alone should be enough to lynch someone straight out of the gate. All of that, combined with the presence of vote manipulation, I felt it better to solidify a lynch on CadCom. Orlok's seemed adamant about the lynch, which makes me feel he's likely village. From my experience, it's fairly rare to have an elim push in that way for a lynch on a villager. I did a brief skim of D1, and nothing really stuck out as unusual. Most of it seemed centered around Fifth/Orlok/Snipexe/CadCom.

I now have this uncomfortable feeling that we've all been manipulated. You're right, though. There is still a fair amount we might learn from CadCom's death, as well as other votes and interactions. I'll try to do some analysis later, though I may not have time until tomorrow after rollover.

A large man in a dark suit was waiting Avi outside her small apartment in the Fifth Octant as she returned from work. "What are you doing here," she asked with no effort to be polite. "Miss, your mother would like to meet with you this evening," he said with a slight bow. "Please, let me escort you to the carriage." "Tell her I'm not interested in meeting Lord Heron." Avi pushed past the man to her door. "Please, Lady Avi. Your mother insi-" She slammed the door closed, cutting off his next words. Avi knew she should be so rude with the staff. It was just that her mother was so infuriating. A small knock got her attention again, and she looked to see a note being slid under the door. It had the same overly-fancy lettering and seal as she'd received at work. ------ CadCom/Fifth Scholar I agree with the assessments on CadCom's posts so far. They seem counterproductive to the village cause, ending with more confusion that clarity. The praise vote is returning to Fifth Scholar because I believe he's been active and helpful to the village, both things worth praising. Vote Count: Lynch: Snipexe (2) - Fifth Scholar, Shqueeves, Ark1002 Fifth Scholar (1?) - Furamirionind Nohadon (?) Furamirionind (1) - Orlok, Joe Joe - CadCom Ark1002 (1) - Devotary, Snipexe, Fifth Scholar Nohadon - Steeldancer Gancho Libre (1) - Young Bard Itiah (1) - Gancho Libre Jondesu - Elandera Orlok (2) - Araris, Aonar Xinoehp (1) - MetaTerminal CadCom (5) - Orlok, Fifth Scholar, Devotary, Xinoehp, Elandera Praise: Araris - Orlok Orlok (4) - Fifth Scholar, Furamirionind, CadCom, Devotary, Ark1002, Snipexe Jondesu (1) - Joe Devotary - CadCom Aonar - Steeldancer Joe (1) - Shqueeves Steeldancer (1?) - Nohadon (?) CadCom (1) - Young Bard Fifth Scholar (6) - Gancho Libre, Elandera, Araris, MetaTerminal, Orlok, Xinoehp Young Bard (1) - Aonar

My praise vote on you was largely because I believed you may have one of the better chances at gaining enough votes to overtake Orlok's number of votes at the time. You had been fairly actively participating, which I felt was a good thing and worth praising. You do bring up a good point about seeing what Orlok does with the double vote. I've been on the receiving end of his dangerous villager abilities, so it's quite possible he'd do some good for the village. However, I'd like to observe a bit first. I use votes on people who haven't posted to give them a little added incentive to join once they do see the notification. It's why I tagged Jondesu while voting on him. I never intended to leave it. For now, I'm going to retract all my votes (Jondesu/Fifth Scholar, just in case I don't have the time to get on again before rollover. I don't want to leave my lynch vote on Jondesu for fear of it actually ending with a lynch. I don't really have an opinion one way or another about any of the other lynch options at the moment. I have been admittedly busy today, and unable to keep up with most of the thread (but yay for it being active!).

Oh! I misread the original post. When it says "Lord Heron is dying" I understood it at "Lord Heron is dead." That makes a lot more sense now. I'll adjust my RP moving forward. Here's the current vote count as far as I can tell: Lynch: Fifth (1) - Furamirionid Furamirionid (2) - Joe, Orlok Joe (1) - CadCom Ark1002 (1) - Devotary Nohadon (1) - Steeldancer Snipexe (2) - Shqueeves, Fifth Scholar Gancho Libre (1) - Young Bard Itiah (1) - Gancho Libre Praise: Orlok (4) - Devotary, CadCom, Furamirionid, Fifth Scholar Araris (1) - Orlok Jondesu (1) - Joe Aonar (1) - Steel Joe (1) - Shqueeves CadCom (1) - Young Bard Fifth Scholar (1) - Gancho Libre That's quite a large spread of votes. I'm definitely not a fan of giving Orlok praise so early. As has been stated, he's a dangerous elim. I want to vote on one of the other ones, but I'm finding myself stuck on the lynch. Neither Snipexe nor Furamirionid seem good candidates for the lynch, as the reason for Fura's seems to be general beginner tendencies, and Snipexe hasn't really done anything, much less something that would justify a lynch. For now, I'll place my vote on Jondesu/Fifth Scholar. @Jondesu, because he hasn't posted yet.

This game was incredible! A huge thank you to the GMs for the work they put in to making this happen. I know it couldn't have been easy. I was a bit apprehensive about being Torol Sadeas, mostly because I hated him so much in the book. Once we started, I very much enjoyed myself. Especially my conversations with Wit. @Steeldancer, I owe you several upvotes! I'm so glad you included this in the write-up! You're forgiven... mostly The chances of that happening, and some of the other situations around it actually made my death funny.

"I'm telling you, Lord Heron's death is going to mean trouble," said Avi Renault, waving yesterday's news article in front of her captain. "I don't think it was natural causes. And I think there are too many people around who are jumping out of the wood works claiming to be family. If this doesn't end with bloodshed, I'll eat my hat." "You're being ridiculous," her captain snapped. "Just let me talk to the Constable-General." "Absolutely not. You won't bother him with this nonsense." "But it could destroy Elend-" "Constable Renault. Stop now, and go back to your real work. Aren't there real crimes you should be investigating?" Avi huffed, turning around and storming away. She threw the paper onto the already cluttered desk. She almost missed the letter sitting on top of the other papers. The letter showed her name in swirling script, sealed closed by blue wax and an intricate seal. She groaned as she cracked the seal open and pulled out the letter, written in the same swirled writing. Avi groaned again. This was not how she'd wanted this day to go.

Sorry, that's my mistake. I meant inherent ability like Mistborn (where they're born with it). You could make it genetic, so it runs in the family. I do like the idea that it correlates with eye color. This is another part where I got mixed up. The pupil is the part that determines what we see, not the iris (that's what happens when I'm writing things half-distracted ). Instead of blindness, maybe it results in color blindness. If it's the color that drains out of the iris, the part that controls light-intake, maybe a consequence would be slow reaction to rapid light changes.

This will be my first time attempt at NaNo. I am currently working on several different projects, and haven't decided which one to focus on. Maybe you guys can help me decide. I'm at about the same level of writer's block for each of them, so which would you be most interested in reading? (No name yet) - A fantasy spy novel based in modern US. The fantasy comes into play because there are elves, dwarves, fae, etc. and it's part of normal society. My main character works for a federal agency and ends up in middle of a plot of gun-running and human trafficking, discovering someone in his own agency is involved. (Current word count: 7495) Amethysts and Emeralds - A fantasy book with a magic system based on gemstones. Certain stones grant certain abilities. The villain is trying to manipulate the main character into joining him on his quest to raise the dead. In the process, he killed her family and now she wants revenge. (Current word count: 7762) (No name yet 2) - A modern time-travel YA story. A young college student finds herself sucked back in time to the late 1800s. Her way back (an old journal) is stolen, so she has to rescue a young sailor and get back the book before time runs out. (Current word count: 15730) Deja Vu - A modern YA story about a girl with premonitions. Each time she changes something from her premonition, it changes the future. This eventually leads to a spiraling mess of disaster. If you can't tell, I haven't really gotten the details of this one out yet, just the basic premise. (Current word count: 1055)

Fun story! There's some good suspense and descriptions through the whole thing. Second person is a difficult thing to pull off. You did fairly well, though I think something that might help a bit is making it present tense, rather than past tense. There were a few times I felt it bounced between the two, which made it a bit confusing. Another thing that can help the suspense is making "Step by step" a paragraph by itself. Making sure there's variety with the paragraph lengths can help change the flow of the story. With this kind of story, throwing in really short paragraphs helps provide a jarring sense that adds to the mystery. I hope that helps!

I agree with Eagle, this system shows promise. I wouldn't worry about the similarities with Sanderson's magic systems. There's always going to be similarities with other systems in some way, and it's not bad to draw inspiration from works you enjoy. When it comes to the naming of different users, consider using hyphens or capitalization to differentiate the words. For example, when I read Starchewers, I initially read it as Starch-ewers, and then wondered what sheep had to do with it. One possibility with the Eye Colour exchange system is making it limited from the source. Like Eagle said, if everyone has it but not everyone can use it, there would essentially be a flood of the market, making it very inexpensive and giving no incentive for people to keep it. But if only those who can use it have it in the first place, you'll retain some amount of balance. A possible point of conflict for the story that goes with this system would be a different group aside from the monks who've discovered the process of extraction. How fast it's used depends on the economics you want to get out of it. It could be a portion is drained every time it's used, but as long as a person is conservative in their use it should last their whole lives. If you want Eye Colour to be a larger economic point, then make it so that the color drains quickly. As for the process of extraction, it would very much depend on your magic system. Does using magic require some kind of incantation? If so, there could be an incantation that would extract Eye Colour. It could also be a delicate surgical process (another reason people would have to be desperate to sell it). A consequence of that could be the person not being able to use that eye for several days or weeks. You get to choose how the magic is distributed. Maybe it's possible for everyone to use one of the abilities, but only some have the ability to use two, which gains them their names. The easiest way to decide is an inherent ability that they'll eventually discover (similar to Stormlight). If I'm understanding correctly, Eye Colour is in the iris. A human's eye is black in part because it absorbs color and light. If it becomes white, it would then reflect light. One possible consequence of becoming Asheyes could be blindness. It could also be that if they become a full Asheye, they can't regain Eye Colour.