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I can agree with that— I misspoke earlier, then. The question, then, is whether Kaladin or Adolin would be better suited for helping her realize that.

@SLNC, I think at the end of Oathbringer, it was established that Kaladin doesn’t have romantic feelings towards Shallan. She reminds him of Tien, therefore showing that they might have more of a sibling relationship going forward. And she does have everything in her, she just needs to realize it. Her Fifth Ideal (aka fifth truth) is, in my opinion, going to be “I am Shallan Davar.”

Vin Sazed Rashek Spook Beldre Breeze Clubs Demoux Wax Wayne Steris Marasi MeLaan Syl Shallan Teft Rock Pattern Dalinar Renarin Jasnah Lift Wyndle Szeth Tien Navani Gavilar Vivenna Vasher Nightblood Susebron Lightsong Sarene Raoden Hrathen Galladon Karata Ashe Roial Ahan Kaise Daorn Lukel Jalla Eliminated Kiin. Restaurant name: Crushthroat’s Treasures. Food type: Selish cuisine, though he might pick up waffles from Scadrial and instant noodles from Taldain. Kiin has to reprimand Daorn frequently because he refused to touch the JinDo food. What it’s like: The counter is worked by Kaise and Daorn, who are constantly bickering, and Kaise travels all over the Cosmere to sell the food because of her skill with languages (she picked up Alethi in literally a day); there are posters of Raoden everywhere endorsing the restaurant which Kiin uses as shameless branding; Lukel tried to help decorate but Jalla had to take over because of how terrible it was. If you had to give any character a hug, who would it be? (Kaladin and Wit are both out, sorry )

I agree that it’s worrying, and that she is relying on Adolin. However, I do still believe that her feelings for Adolin are genuine. The chemistry between them is undeniable. Shallan, I believe, is using her Brightness Radiant / Veil experience as somewhat of an experiment. After trying out the three aspects of her personality, I think she is going to pick and choose some concepts in building the best version of herself that she can. As I mentioned earlier, I believe that each character has an internal struggle. With that, each person is working towards something. Shallan is working towards finding her best self, which involved experimenting with Veil, Radiant, and Shallan. Additionally, she met both Adolin and Kaladin before she started working as Veil. Her feelings for Adolin were purely as Shallan, before the whole personality split. As she works towards her best self and staying grounded as Shallan, she’s relying on a true feeling that came before she had to be anyone else. Nahel bonds and Radiance is all about (1) looking better in your own eyes and (2) looking better in the eyes of your Order. The two grounding concepts of the Lightweavers are creativity and honesty. In order to become more honest, Shallan needs to find who the best Shallan is in her own eyes. She needs to make herself happy. That’s the only way that she can satisfy the honesty concept of the Lightweavers, and the only way that she can satisfy herself. If Adolin makes her happy, she’s helping herself. In short, Shallan is kind of like a phoenix-esque character. The three old Shallans die, and a new one rises from the ashes: a strong, smart and beautiful woman who is even better than she was before.

Vin Sazed Rashek Spook Beldre Breeze Dockson Clubs Demoux Wax Wayne Steris Marasi MeLaan Syl Shallan Teft Rock Pattern Dalinar Renarin Jasnah Lift Wyndle Szeth Tien Navani Gavilar Vivenna Vasher Nightblood Susebron Lightsong Sarene Raoden Hrathen Galladon Karata Ashe Roial Ahan Kaise Daorn Kiin Lukel Jalla Eliminated Ham, Kaladin, and Wyrn, so this would happen... Kaladin: I’m storming hungry. Ham: What is hunger, anyway? Wyrn: The only true hunger is the spiritual starvation which occurs when Holy Jaddeth wishes it upon the nonbelievers. Kaladin: STORM BOTH OF YOU, JUST SHUT UP. Which character is most likely to own a unicorn pillow pet?

Another reason why Navani could be interesting is because of her romantic relationship with Dalinar. I don’t think this would generally constitute for much, but Honor and Cultivation were in a romantic relationship... maybe Dalinar and Navani would be the Shardic Power Couple 2.0.

Aw, I got mentioned! I feel important now. After rereading Words of Radiance for the umpteenth time, I decided to really pore over the book and look for portions of Shallan’s history that could contribute to her future love life, and moments between Shallan and Adolin themselves. Firstly, as I mentioned in a previous post, it’s important to look at how serious Shallan’s main internal conflict is when she meets Adolin. I believe that each character has an internal and external conflict— for all of the protagonists, the external conflict is defeating Odium and the Parshendi. Shallan’s internal conflict is her split personalities of Veil, Radiant, and Shallan. Interestingly, Shallan’s split personality issue starts soon after she meets Adolin. After meeting him in Chapter 38, she starts meeting with the Ghostbloods under Veil’s persona in Chapter 43. From that point forward, things only get worse. In chapters that are branded as Shallan’s point of view, we are given it through Veil’s. Instead of saying something like “Shallan said...”, we read that “Veil said...”. Everything becomes even more complicated once Brightness Radiant comes into the picture. At the end of Oathbringer, Shallan is faced with all three versions of herself. Brightness Radiant and Veil are telling her to choose Kaladin. But Shallan doesn’t love Kaladin in the same way that she loves Adolin. She wants to scream, “Hey, look, it’s me, I’m Shallan! S-H-A-L-L-A-N Shallan!”, but she can’t. She’s trapped in this whirlwind of thoughts and personas. She’s overwhelmed, and can’t get their true feelings out. She’s scared that she might lose herself in this mess. Another thing that needs to be considered is Shallan’s examples of romance from her childhood. Shallan has three primary examples: her father and her mother, her father and Malise, and finally, Balat and Eylita. Each of these relationships was vastly different from the rest. The relationship between Shallan’s father and mother started out wonderfully, but ended in disaster. With her father and Malise, the relationship was abusive. Finally, Balat and Eylita were perhaps the most cliche, lovey-dovey couple on Roshar. Each of these relationship examples has given Shallan certain thoughts and fears, romantically speaking. She fears that while everything seems good now, it will eventually turn to ashes in an explosion of epic proportions. She’s afraid of getting hurt, and further than that, she’s afraid of hurting somebody— that she’s more like her father than she claims. And finally, yes, she might act like the female protagonist of a romance novel, but that’s how she saw her brother and his lover acting. Finally, we get to the line of contention: “Without you, I fade.” Looking at everything above, we have four things that influence what Shallan would say to someone who she is in love with. Firstly, she’s scared of losing herself, which is probably why she is overplaying her emotions for Adolin. She is trying to subdue Brightness Radiant and Veil, and is gahering the strength to do something that the real Shallan wants, for once. Secondly, she fears losing everything good in her relationship. Next, she’s afraid of hurting Adolin. And finally, she’s been taught to say some very cliche things to express her love for someone. With that in mind, “Without you, I fade” is really just the shorter way for Shallan to say everything above. What Shallan says: What she really means:

Daaang! Already starting, Toaster Retribution?

Awesome, thank you both! @Sorana, it’s completely up to you. You can roast as many of the other characters you want, and make the “rap” as long as you want. Whatever you think you can do to win. Mans one more clarification thing— you aren’t roasting the character you representing. You can, however, make references from your own character’s achievements to slight the ones of others. (I don’t know if anyone was actually wondering that, but a friend of mine was reading the rules and was confused. Better safe than sorry, I guess.) Edit: 10/16 people, everyone! That’s the same number of Shards that we know. Hopefully, it won’t take 30 years to get another 6 people to join...

Great! Halfway there, everyone!

You know you’re a Sanderfan when you’re watching La La Land, and see the jazz restaurant Seb’s, and immediately think about Siri’s nickname for Susebron.

@BitBitio, when you say the answer, maybe put it in a spoiler tag? Your call as to whether it really is/isn't a spoiler though... after all, no one else knows who this is.

Literally what's happening to me. She started the Way of Kings, and now is refusing to read even non-Cosmere stuff. You know, that's probably why my sister stopped... Also, sorry to bring this up again, but we need more people for the Cosmere Characters Roast Battles Tournament! If you think you have some good roasts in mind, please please please check it out! You know you're a Sanderfan when you are currently on the phone, talking to a friend about the Cosmere, and at the same time texting a different friend about Cosmere stuff, and emailing someone to start the Cosmere. (No joke. This is actually happening, like right now.)

Haha, I love it! Glad to have Amaram on board. @Nathrangking, yes– you will be roasting your opponents. Sorry, I just saw your edit. Also, just to clarify— nobody will actually be rapping, it will just be writing out “roasts with rhymes” on the thread. Just wanted to clarify that, in case anyone was confused.

Excellent, thank you both!

I’m basically thinking like poetry. Roasts with a Rhyme.

Helaran?

I was confused, too. I guess we’ll just have to wait. Also, love the name, Brandon...

I’ve actually changed the rules between a poll and upvotes multiple times. I get what you’re saying about upvotes— I’ll change it.

Vin Sazed Rashek Spook Beldre Ham Breeze Dockson Clubs Demoux Wax Wayne Steris Marasi MeLaan Kaladin Syl Shallan Teft Rock Pattern Dalinar Stormfather Renarin Jasnah Lift Wyndle Szeth Tien Navani Gavilar Vivenna Vasher Nightblood Susebron Lightsong Sarene Raoden Hrathen Galladon Karata Ashe Roial Ahan Kaise Daorn Kiin Lukel Jalla Wyrn Eliminated Tindwyl. Catchphrase: “Bathing suits fit for an Emperor (cough cough ELEND cough cough).” Which character would you most want to see on OUR earth?

Vin Sazed Rashek Spook Beldre Ham Breeze Dockson Tindwyl Clubs Demoux Wax Wayne Steris Marasi MeLaan Kaladin Syl Shallan Teft Rock Pattern Dalinar Stormfather Renarin Jasnah Lift Wyndle Szeth Tien Navani Gavilar Vivenna Vasher Siri Nightblood Susebron Lightsong Bluefingers Sarene Raoden Hrathen Galladon Karata Ashe Roial Ahan Kaise Daorn Kiin Lukel Jalla Wyrn Took our Adien— it would be an extremely challenging game, with his memory. DOUBLE ELIMINATION: Which TWO characters would make the least likely couple? Quick note— try not to do any eliminations over 2 people.

@Apollyon YOU'RE INSECURE / DON'T KNOW WHAT FOR / YOU'RE TURNING HEADS WHEN YOU WALK THROUGH THE DOR We shall never forget. Eliminated Shuden. He would just wink, and everyone would be like "I WILL BUY WHATEVER." Which character is the most annoying?

Vin Kelsier Sazed Rashek Spook Beldre Ham Breeze Dockson Tindwyl Clubs Demoux Wax Wayne Steris Marasi MeLaan Kaladin Syl Shallan Teft Rock Pattern Dalinar Stormfather Renarin Jasnah Lift Wyndle Szeth Eshonai Tien Navani Gavilar Wit Vivenna Vasher Siri Nightblood Susebron Lightsong Blushweaver Bluefingers Sarene Raoden Hrathen Dilaf Galladon Karata Ashe Roial Ahan Shuden Kaise Daorn Kiin Lukel Jalla Adien Wyrn Eliminated Moash. Which character would make the best model? (Adolin's out )

Rashekin seems most likely at this point.