Shardbearer

Another thing I forgot. It looks like there's some history, bad history, between Jasnah and Amaram.

Some observations: Shallan and Pattern on splitting cognitive entities: She asked him if he was helping her feet to heal, and he replied that he doesn't know why people break, and knows even less of why they unbreak. She asked if "his type" get wounded. He said that they break differently than people, and don't unbreak without aid. I assume that this applies all the way down from Adonalsium, to shards, splinters, on down the line. They split off into smaller, or rather more focused intents. And then they can't be brought back together without help. Odium's champion: I believe that Szeth will be Odium's champion. His first appearance, when he tries to assassinate Dalinar, is in a chapter titled "THE ONE WHO HATES". We all know who that really refers to... Shallan's innocence: Right before their final confrontation, Shallan sees Tyn rubbing something moss that emits smoke between her fingers, her eyes glazing over. Did she seriously not know about the drug called firemoss? Then again, I don't think I noticed this the first time I read the book. Reya: There's a star called Reya's Tear. As in teardrop, from crying. It's near Taln's Scar. I wander if Reya is the name of Cultivation's holder.

I don't know. I'm in the middle of a reread right now. Eshonai changed her mind at the last minute, attempting to refuse the bond. But the spren struck her in the chest and forced the transformation on her, against her will.

Only when Mr. T is telling Szeth about them, I think. Not in the epigraphs.

All your goats are belongs to us! Red carpet ... once it was goat ... The Wind's Pleasure is reported lost with all hands. Jasnah Kholin is goat. Jasnah Kholin is goat.

SA3 spoilers:

Someone will be getting the Plate in SA3, I'm sure. Seems too basic a part of the KR of old to leave for any later in the series than that.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense now.

Can't say I was impressed by the 2 and a half books in the series I read.

The language seems pretty clear to me. It's "seeing what is to come" that she is reacting to here. Which is why this kinda confuses me. I doubt that Renarin's visions are Odious. Which means that the visions are related to Cultivation. As an honorspren, I wouldn't expect Syl to call something of Cultivation "bad". Dangerous, yes, but not bad. So for now I'll assume that she's calling it bad because seeing the future is tied to Odium more often than than Cultivation.

Here's the quote: So, despite whatever animosity there may be between spren of Honor and spren of Cultivation, I don't think she would react this way to something of Cultivation. This reaction seems to point to Odium.

Where does spoiler come from? I've only seen the excerpt from chapter 1 on Tor.com, which doesn't include anything like that. And another question. Or more of a theory. I think Rock can see spren like Syl because of the shardpool. Maybe the Horneaters drink water from the shardpool, giving them some investiture.

Why can't Shallan convince the stick to become fire? Does she not have stormlight from a Ruby sphere to match the fire essence? Or is it something else?

Syl has a negative reaction to Renarin's first vision. Whan Kaladin asks her if she's seen anything like the writing on the wall, she says that it's not of Honor, but it's of something else, something bad and dangerous. It's possible that she's referring to Cultivation here, but it's more likely Odium. And Pattern shows up in his pattern form before being drawn. I understand that drawing him brought him fully into the PR, but he must have had a stronger presence there even before that for him to be visible out of the corner of her eye.

I'm on to my first reread of WoR and will post questions and theories in this thread. Nahel Spren: Are some Nahel spren of Honor, some of Cultivation, and some a mix of both? Is this why there is tension between Honorspren and Cryptics? Futuresight: Renarin sees the future. Honor wasn't very good at this. This is something that Cultivation could do better, but there is also a lot of implication that seeing the future is of Odium. So, is Renarin's ability to see the future because his spren is of cultivation, or is something else more nefarious going on here? Pattern: Why does Pattern show up as a symbolhead in WoK, but suddenly starts manifesting as a pattern in WoR? Is it because Shallan's bond strengthened to the point that Pattern was drawn more into the Physical Realm? Also, in the flashbacks Pattern was drawn into the Physical Realm enough to become a Shardblade, so did Shallan's refusal to acknowledge Pattern or her memories cause him to lose his connection to the Physical Realm and return to Shadesmar before the start of WoK? And why did Shallan's drawings in WoK show multiple Cryptics?

Couple more questions: Where does Syl go? Several times Kaladin notices that she's been away for awhile and won't say where she's been. Why does Shallan draw so many Cryptics around her? Are they just interested in her? There's also the death rattle that makes it look like there's at least one hanging around Mr. T and his people. There's also one or more that Elhokar sees. Maybe Cryptics like to watch important events taking place.

So Hoid, or perhaps another worldhopper, may have started the Worldsingers, Worldbringers, and Enefels? All of which have a similar purpose... And we know he was Sigzil's master, so he's definitely connected to one of these 3 groups. So, what is his purpose in starting these groups (assuming he did)?

They returned to a place of fire and hooks digging into their skin, which is referred to as Damnation in modern speech, which is probably the planet Braize.

I thought of that, but those weren't made by the Alethi.

I'm doing my first reread of WoK since reading WoR when it was first released, and I have a few questions, maybe with more to come as I keep reading. I'm about halfway through the book now. In the Prologue, Szeth recalls a rumor about the Alethi being close to producing new Shards. Is this just a baseless rumor? Or maybe not, since many of the proto Radiants were Alethi... What exactly are spren? The best I can figure, they are cognitive aspects drawn partially into the Physical Realm by change. But cognitive aspects of what, exactly? The part that confuses me is when multiple spren dealing with emotions are drawn to one person. For instance, multiple creationspren, or gloryspren. So are these the cognitive aspects of the persons different thoughts that the person is having? Can thoughts have their own cognitive aspect, independent of the person thinking those thoughts? Or are they the cognitive aspects of different archetypical versions of the basic emotion? Or what? When Jasnah soulcasts the thugs, how does that work? Shallan has trouble convincing a stick to become fire. How could Jasnah convince the cognitive aspects of sapient humans to become something else? And why did she not have to touch those last 2? And what's the difference between whether the clothes were also transformed or not?

This WOB refers to hints. The end of the Mistborn trilogy was hinted at in book 1. The end of SA has already been hinted at, as well.

Thinking about it, I believe that Sophie's backstory is actually Melhi's backstory. And the reason that Melhi was so bent on revenge was because he calls her the Wode's puppet at the end of the flashback. At this point, she would have already left her State in disarray having realised how much of a puppet she had been the whole time.

Almost had me there.

Aaraagh, I come from slumber to wish happy head muchiness today to all! *Munch munch munch* And me want to munch Brandon's head for birthday, but too robot-y.

And spreading that code to other devices. Singularity, here we come.