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    It is very ambiguous.. I agree. So was it simply summoned or stolen.. Does seem to be the former going by the wording.. Sorry guys, i mistyped, i wanted to say Nale's Honorblade... I have edited the said comment..
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    I am saying that blade may have been missing a long time ago, even before szeth was ever born. So, what szeth says about it vanishing could be hearsay.. I think Nale is capable of stealing it back without being seen
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    I doubt this.. also, we don't know how long ago Nale's honorblade has vanished.. and we dont know what other things heralds are capable of. Szeth can learn all the ten surges even if nale's blade was missing.. But, they may not be available to them on Braize.. We don't know..
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    we don't really know though the wording of any oath the heralds might have sworn.. This might have inspired the idea of a single unified first oath for radiants, but the exact wording of the first Oath and where it came from, we don't know. The closest thing we have is The ways of kings.
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    Does it? Do we know for a fact that they had access to honorblades on Braize? And i am not convinced with the conjecture put forth by you with regard to Oaths taken by Honor..
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    Agree to disagree.... They swore to give up their lives, goto braize and forever entrap fused at braize. This is all we know from the text. The exact wording, we don't know. But i fail to see, as i have argued before on this thread, how the words of first ideal could have anything to do with Heralds....
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    So, are you suggesting that first oath was already there? and he interpreted it? And his interpretation led to the decision that this first oath would be common for all? I don't know, i guess we shall see. I still think that oaths were there but the first oath was not common to every order, may be the basic idea was spoken before by some radiants but not in the form it was later. So, if he inspired the "specific interpretation" of the oaths, then i see it as same thing.. His interpretation still caused that ideal to be selected and formalised as the first ideal for all orders. also please then do you agree with this idea, then? : well i see your point regarding why the first oath allows so many different interpretations if it is based off of nohadons philosophy... but may be it has been simply too long.. We dont even know how many years ago nohadon existed. How many desolations did happen after Nohadon. An ideal can start as something simple but over time, it's meaning could have been corrupted like skybreakers with ends justify means or expanded. Other radiants might later disagree with his interpretation, the oath still stays but the meanings differ.
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    yes i agree.. As far as all the quotations in SA1 of ways of kings is concerned, there is no exact wording. closest that we come to is this: so i agree. The book provided an inspiration for the first ideal. As for Malata, and how she can progress to third level.. i think you can play with oaths in a way that you swear them and mean them but your meaning may be not what the side of honor may desire. Spark wants to destroy humans, so basically she has decided that revenge will be if the humans loose and odium wins. So, suppose if malata were to swear windrunners oaths (since these are that we know most), she can swear i will protect those who can not protect themselves and mean singers and such oath will still be accepted but the side that malata would chose to fight for is singers. I think it is something like this that has happened.... she has still sworn the correct oaths but she chose the odium's side to fight for because that allows spark revenge.. may be.. we don't know and i think it could be either way....
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    I think there must have been oaths even then, since, it is honor-based magic system and he is all about oaths, but may be there was a lot more flexibility to what oaths were required... may be only one oath was required and swearing just that one gave them access to all the powers, shardblade and plate and both surges in full power. That must have been very dangerous.
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    May be they cheated somehow, may be spark told Malata the oaths beforehand and let her swear them.. may be their oaths are worded such that they could be accepted while still meaning vengeance. So, like you said, oaths are not enough, but for honor and his heralds, they might have looked like they were enough! But the wording of the first ideal is exactly mentioned in the book he wrote. So if you agree that he inspired the oaths, then .... I see no disagreement...
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    Whether the oaths accomplished what they set them for, is not the point I was the trying to make. That is another matter altogether. what I was trying to do is set the chronology of events. desolation happened. Alakavish went rogue, Desolation over, heralds go back, Nohadon acknowledges the need for checks on radiants especially their selection, he rules a long time and writes the book, dies of old age. Next desolation happens and ishar decides to organise radiant orders, first ideal is chosen. I do not see how the book could be in response to the order structuring when the said structuring happened later.. unless we are assuming that there was another desolation that happened in between. First ideal does not automatically lead to organisation of orders, it was just something Ishar read in the book and thought is good and can be used as the first ideal. Every KR is as powerful, in fact more(hence 4 more ideals) and as responsible as a king of any nation, so the ways of kings suggested by Nohadon for kings to follow, Ishar felt can apply on radiants too. But it is only entry level, the later oaths and their spren’s caution I believe was deemed sufficient to reign in all radiants. And Ishar might have promised all the unruly elements to be dealt with personally by him. And frankly, going by the letter to dalinar by tezim, I find the dude much capable of intimidating people to fall in line... I think Malata exists because honor is dead, ishar has gone crazy and her spren has no intention of following or caring about the original ideals of their order. Her spren simply chose Malata because she sees an opportunity to take vengeance on humans for her murdered kin.... very peculiar situation that never happened before.
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    Don’t you think that Skybreakers and windrunners can just swoop in from the sky and disrupt the rifle regiment formation. They can just grab hold of these rifles and snatch them away, stormlight offers them the increased strength and if those rifles are fired once, the windrunners and Skybreakers can heal themselves.. right? all they have to ensure is that they are not hit in the face...
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    I think shallan encouraging Vathah gang to go and help the caravan against the other group of bandits, is a form of passive rioting, if there is any in SA.
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    The reason the first ideal was so codified especially and the KRs were organised is also because on Roshar, due to desolations, heralds and humans could not afford to allow bad elements to gain access to these powers. It undermines the whole purpose for which the KRs and heralds were created. I agree that ways of king seems more like the effect rather than the cause of the first ideal.. but does the timeline fit this? we know in our first Nohadon vision, that desolation is just over, heralds have returned to Braize and at that time, orders were not that much structured.... because alkavaish is mentioned and Nohadon says we should not have expected that all spren will be discerning as honorspren while choosing their radiants!! Then he set out to bring peace and development to all the scattered and broken states. And we know that when he grew old, their was much prosperity and peace, and he wrote the book. in the book he wrote the wording I.e. the first ideal. so after his lifetime, when next desolation happened, ishar came across his book and decided to take his words as a first ideal.
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    I am not so convinced.. I do not see how the wording of the first ideal has anything to do with heralds or the oathpact.. life before death should mean nothing to them since until OB, they could not really die.. So death should not a concern for them. Life is all they have. strength before weakness : Honor never even fathomed that heralds might show weakness, that they might break, so ... journey before destination: there was not supposed to be any journey, they were expected to forever remain on Braize and trap the fused... and although one can argue that it is more about the substance and not the form but still the form of the ideal should be at least to some extent relevant to the oathpact. @Honorless I think that first ideal coming directly from the ways of kings seems a lot more likely to me...
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    Kaladin being what he is could be individualistic. The windrunners have resonance but that is atrength of squires. lightweavers get memory etc so none of what you mentioned above fits in with resonances. So, all of that is the roles you think they fulfilled.. even if you are right, spiritual sustenance Is making someone feel stronger or taller or better about themselves or even a form of passive rioting to quote your wording. I think shallan is already doing this. So it is a light weaver ability.. not dustbringers..
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    Hmm..interesting.. granted you now have the bane that although torture might be killing you, making you go crazy and is unbearable, you will not be able to give up.. ever.. Since this was your boon, you also get a special bane... At the end of SA5, upon defeating odium in champions duel, an attempt is made to reactivate the oathpact. in light of this special ability she gave, NW personally recommends you. You are chosen alone to go to Braize and hold the fused from coming back on Roshar. now you are tortured eternally, you feel the Burning on your skin, the hooks, pain oh so much pain... but you can not give up also. On Roshar, NW is hailed as the hero of the fight against odiums forces. I wish for Invisibility cloak.
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    Agreed and also during the same conversation, dalinar was saying that Navani says that but it’s not really true. She comes up with a lot of the ideas and has a real grasp now how it is going to work. She was just being modest.
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    I always thought that KRs first line of defence comprised of wiNdrunners and stonewards.. but dustbringers can be too.. But how do you think this works:
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    @Honorless I agree with @Calderis, it appears that oaths were always important which makes sense since the shards influence the means by which investiture is made accessible to someone. However, there is no indication that the first oath was the same for each order prior to Organization of orders by Ishar. I also doubt that within a single order even, prior to this, oaths followed a consistent pattern. So as has been pointed out that ishar caused the organisation and probably caused the internal consistency of oaths too with some wiggle room for interpretation on a case by case basis as we see in the case of Teft and lopen. So, ishar forced structure and spren chose the oaths which were more in tune with their respective intents or nature’s. oaths are basic ideas with wording can be tweaked here and there. So, only the first ideal remains the same and its wording most rigid. Example Elhokar could not become a radiant because he could not finish the last word, otherwise he would have got a energy blast and would have saved others instead of getting killed. it is flexible in terms of that it can have different meaning for different people. But, the only question that remains is who created the first ideal? was it ishar? All the heralds decided together Or Nohadon ? Or honor? Cultivation? Because it is same for each order and most rigid of the oaths, and allows almost anyone to say it and acquire squireship without even attracting any soren’s interest in the case of squires, I think Some one created it and it did not came about naturally. I like idea of honor came up with it. What do you think?
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    Ok thanks for the wob..
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    Editing memories also.. but remember how the girl they rescue immediately went to Vasher and hugged him, they meet dogs on their way barking who mellow down immediately..
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    Yup it is aluminium for me too.
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    Thank you @Karger
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    Lol.. I did the same. checked the same article before asking for elaboration... but brandon seems to agree that Speed bubble will have something to do with FTL.. I am most curious..
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