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Sometimes even when the other person needs no protecting.... (Wax and steris wedding...)

Agreed. Thanks for the wob.

I think what he means is that Bondsmiths are capable of using adhesion to sort of use/direct other orders surges. e.g. Dalinar and Shallan together make that roshar world map. Shallan's lightweaving and Stormfather's perspective, as in, how he sees the world during highstorms. I agree @Karger to the extent that similar stuff should be possible with all the other surges.. But what that might be like, that is open to speculation..

lol..yes it is a very early book of brandons, it has issues, i am sure of brandon had the time to re-write it today, it will be vastly different..

@Karger Can you elaborate on these a little....

There is some wob by Brandon where he said that the sixth of the dusk has tried chouta.. and he did not like it.. therefore, suggesting that fots is indeed in contact with Rosharans

Dude.. this is the definition of “theory” according to Merriam-Webster:

Yes ok. Let me rephrase it more accurately. I meant that truthwatcher spren whatever their name may be, is off cultivation or honor or both, but Glys has been corrupted by Sja-anat. However, this corruption should not qualify as making him a “Voidspren”. Because I think voidspren are separate and are of odium example ulim, yixli etc

The point is that he is not a void spren.. Do you disagree with that?

Wow.. just wow.. so if you disagree then my theory breaks down..

Really.. and I am supposed to instinctively know what is your argument what is rhetoric!! Irrelevant to whether they are from scadrian or Roshar. Likewise.. may be you can extend the same courtesy to me. Does not help either way for the discussion at hand. Please read my comments again and really read them. That is not at all what I am saying.. I have again and again said they are not good guys they are from Roshar!! And honor does not care about what is moral or ethical and is not necessarily a good shard but honor simply cares about oaths, rules and laws and as Skybreakers training chapters indicate using loopholes is often rewarded in a society such as a shard like honor will create. I really don’t care what your theory is. You think Scadrial I think they are Rosharans. I am totally ok with you thinking that they are from Scadrial and you should likewise allow other people to have a contrary view instead of attacking anyone anytime they say something you don’t agree with. I am yet to see any other reason from you about why they are Scadrials apart from the fact they you think only they can have the technology needed which I disagree with. You think the wob suggests that it is Scadrial again I disagree. As I have pointed out many times already. Agreed. I have already told you @karger to stop quoting me here. Please I am not here to convert you and you clearly can not convert me into thinking that they are from Scadrial for lack of any valid points brought forward in regard to your theory here. Merely trying to contradict And mid-interpret everything I say, is not going to win you this discussion.

How do you guys reckon Scadrial FTL travel going to work. Any ideas. There is a lot of belief that they are the closest to figuring it out but any ideas? How it is going to work with metallic arts?

Agreed. It was so in the beginning of oathbringer itself.. windrunners are either scouting the hallways or once Kaladin comes, begin heavy recruitment and then training.

That is exactly what I said... @TheFoxQR interesting question.. But since the honorblade has no sentient spren associated with it, I find it hard to believe that it can be corrupted, it is a tool which can be used for good or bad.. depending on who possesses it.

May be we should have started a different thread for primary and secondary surges for different orders..

Then what was it according to you? they were shocked is the exact reason I thought it is voidbinding. They have not seen it before, Since fused are not voidbinders, forms of power are not voidbinding and Renarin also is the first of its kind and they do not even know about him. I don’t. He is a cultivation spren that has been corrupted but I would not count that as him being a void spren. He is of neither. Like Renarin...

And I see it a little differently. I also have another theory on how he managed it. It felt a little like vivenna was being soothed or rioted in a lot of these scenes. I am not saying Allomancy but through awakening may be.

Right by others??! In your earlier argument you were finding it very unethical worthy of execution!! I think they are considering things that no colonisers in even real world bothered with. They are trying to be ethical in their own skewed way. Does not make what they are doing ok by any means. But it according to me is very Rosharan. You may disagree. I don’t care. Dude... what does this argument have anything to do with whether they are Scadrian or Rosharan?? I am not saying that Rosharans are being ethical. I am saying that this whole development of fots before attacking them is deemed honourable by the ones above and it is a very Rosharan way of thinking according to me. you are bringing ethics into this, talking about executing anyone who so much as uses a loophole in their laws.. that I find equally disturbing!! This again is irrelevant to whether they are Rosharan or from Scadrial. You seem to think it is unethical of Rosharans but find no difficulty in believing that a shard like harmony who according to you is all about free will, is going to be ok with such an action !! According to only you. Again not relevant to the discussion at hand. the wob literally says there are limited options not there is only one option!! That is not true. The laws as sotd states are only about needing a certain threshold after that fair game. It is not against conquering other nations. As of now!! SA is not finished yet. look stop quoting me. You can keep your Scadrial belief and I have my views. I am not here to try to convert you.

I might have misread your earlier comment.. if we agree then no issues.. I am certain Siri mentions that here she is being lazy and doing it more frequently than in idris. But I will have to look for the exact quote..

I agree..

I disagree. Yes he was a mercenary but I don’t think everything he did was simply following orders. Things like using vivenna, kidnapping her while she did not even realise it and then using her to instigate rebellion, at least were pretty entirely his idea! And it was an ingenious one..

@Pathfinder well we agree on almost all points so that’s cool.

My pleasure feel free to ask any questions that you might have with regard to the shard..

It is not at all a common ethical value that every society will holds. I disagree that every society will hold to this very particular very specific ethical concern that the ones above hold. In our own world, irl, much developed countries with codified laws and much civilisation and led by a unified religion, had no hesitation over attacking and conquering under-developed less technologically advanced societies, even tribal societies were not spared. It is not at all common. How can you assume then, that every world in Cosmere will have similar concerns!! I do not see the relevance of this argument at all. There are loopholes in every law. They are merely making use of it. Lawyers all over the world earn their livelihood by exploiting loopholes in codified laws. Rosharans are not Skybreakers.. I do not see that it is of any concern. Speculation. In reality, we do not know How devotion or dominion felt about anything or how their intents worked. Nothing specifically in the intents of harmony or endowment speaks of development. I disagree. Harmony did not give equal chances to southerners. He himself said I was more benevolent towards elendel basin. What really is the thinking behind what Endowment is doing, we don’t know. It is your personal opinion, one that I do not agree with. It is ethical from the ones above point of view. Law is not a game but it does have loopholes which are often exploited by people. And good luck executing everyone who does so!! I hope you are not a lawyer irl. Colonialism is terrible but does not mean that it did not happen nor were those colonialists executed. and the wob you have quoted, only says it is someone we know.. which applies to both Roshar and Scadrial. Just because Roshar have not figured all this out, does not mean they never will. They are developing fabrials. They will learn a lot of stuff before the end of SA. Technically, Scadrial era 2 happens during the gap between SA 5&6. So I see that chronologically neither is ahead of the other as of yet as far as FTL travel is concerned. And there are enough wobs that have been quoted in the thread regarding transportation that indicate how off-the-world transportation can work out in Roshar. You follow that thread too. Need I copy paste the same wobs!!!