Aon Tia

But it should take a huge amount of odiums investiture to corrupt an honorblade. And since the Honourblades have no spren attached to them and are therefore merely tools in the hands of its holder, it can be used for any number of un-honourable things as it is.. then why corrupt it additionally? What will that gain?

Bluefingers?

Haha.. so true.. it is amazing how someone is so fixed in their hate of a character that they refuse to listen to any points in that characters favour and then point out that others are fixed in their opinions! Wow.. OB was all about dalinar.. I can not see how someone could miss dalinar in the story..!

You are wrong here. All the radiants have problems, many have psychological disorders. It was not only supposed to be about Renarin. Kaladin has depression, shallan - multiple personality disorder, teft - addiction, dalinar has post traumatic stress disorder, alcoholism, addiction and amnesia, Jasnah has something too.. lift also must have gone through something terrible to want to ask from NW to not let her grow.. she wants to remain a kid.. Autism has not been replaced by multiple personality disorder. Renarin is going to be more prominent in books 6-10. It was also meant to be like this.

I was not trying to say that you want to read about damsel in distress.. what I was saying is that Brandon is writing about complicated characters that feel more realistic to me instead of relying on time tested tropes like damsel in distress or warrior hero or noble general or beautiful princess.. I don’t think that there is any abrupt change in her arc from book2 to 3, I think it was always headed in this direction. He is also trying to show that becoming a radiant and gaining surges, does not always solve all problems that a person has. In fact, sometimes powers may exacerbate them like in case of shallan. Her ability to create illusions and different personas added to her habit of pushing problems and troubled memories to the back of her mind has led to a multiple personality disorder. It was not there initially but her surges have exacerbated her psychological problems.. I actually find all this very interesting to read.. I think it was a nice direction that he has taken it in.

Hate shallan if it helps.. I think you can still read chapters of a character that you hate.. but focus on the information on these chapters and not on shallan drama..

Yup I would not be surprised if there were more than one group that decided that their ancestors were crazy and they just wanted to escape from desolations.. already their forms grant them Inhuman abilities like jumping across chasms, I don’t see why not the ability to breathe under water..

If I am rereading oathbringer for the third time, I might skim through veil learning to drink in bars etc.. I am not really missing anything because I have already read the whole thing twice already.. but would not skip anything the first time I read..

Welcome to the shard.. wish you had made the disclosure sooner.. so many scientists across the world spent so much time in finding this answer!

I will have to completely disagree here with you.. I think if an author is able write about such conflicting characters that they are polarising, such as shallan or Dalinar or Moash, then that i see as a sign of good writing. It means that character portrayal is more realistic rather than the fairy tale version of a perfect damsel in distress. Irl often there are people that some like and others absolutely dislike. The very fact that shallan makes you hate her so much, that she insights such strong reaction from you, I think, should be considered as a sign of clever writing and not PR machinery at work. what is it about shallan that irritates you so much that you would tear your copy of oathbringer? shallan started in book 1 and I fairly liked her there. She was making mistakes huge ones, but she is supposed to. She has left her home for the first time and is supposed to be ignorant of things and bad judge of people. book 2 in fact she is quite likeable. I admired all the strength that she found, authority she mustered and her conversion of vathah and his gang is actually very impressive. From there on, she has done great job actually throughout including saving everyone and finding urithiru. I think her problems start only after she confesses the truth about her mother and from there she spirals down in OB. What I dislike reading about in her povs is actually all the Veil stuff. I find veil to be too superficial and her nighttime wonderings learning to drink alcohol and trying to be a spy are just... but whenever shallan is bring her own self I actually like those chapters better.

Dilaf?

Agreed.

But that was not my intention behind that post.. what I actually meant was that shallan is a conflicted character that has problems because she has suffered childhood traumas but people like her too because despite all that she wants to do good.. I would not say that it is PR work but that it is how he chose to write the story.. there is no pressure no anyone to like shallan. There are plenty of PoV characters to go around and each reader usually finds some they like and some they don’t. In main pov characters as of now, there is Dalinar kaladin and shallan. Some people dislike her some dalinar some even find kaladin whiny.. I think if an author wants to write about more conflicted characters rather than straight up good characters then it is bound to happen..

Brandon says that after a person dies and passes on to the beyond, their spiritual aspect takes time to vanish from the spiritual realm.

And Jasnah and lift and tyndwyl, Marasi Steris I really find bran annoying too and even Jon snow sometimes is too broody..

I thought so too.. did not say because a splinter of a shard is what syl says spren are.. so that still makes them spren like.. may be former really shattered himself? Made big enough chunks that they qualify as sub-shards? what is order and chaos? They were mentioned briefly

Have you read wheel of time? Egwene is another lead female character who is disliked..

Marsh?

That is confusing, is it not? they are a shards children so they should be spren like, godspren like stormfather level, but there manifesting as humans at the end is so confusing.. what is that? Their avatars? Kind of like how odium manifests in PR in oathbringer? in the prologue, agaril is described very humanly too..

My favourite is kaladin, elend and vin too.. Surgebinding and I really like windrunners and elsecallers

Yes but still can not hate him because he is so old and so desperately trying to save humanity in his own misguided way.. Also the physical and mental ordeal that he endured because of the NW boon and bane...

In asiof or Cosmere too?

And syl wants kaladin to have such a relationship too.. I think spren themselves are asexual beings.. Both there souls are already merged via nahel bond right? They are already connected in a way that no two humans can. I don’t think a romantic angle will enhance their relationship anymore.. only kaladin’s swearing his other two oaths can deepen their bond more.

Yes I agree. He is not unimportant to the plot at all. In fact, his discovery about the metal piercings and ruin’s influence was super important without which all would have been lost!