Dalinar Kholin

B/c I assumed he was evil due to his post, so I thought the game was over but mind as well try to vote on him. No discussion was neccessary if the elims were revealing themselves

Araris, are you saying the game is over for the village? @Araris Valerian

How did you know they have two smokers? And how did you know they have four people?

Now I'm confused...is araris a villager? Araris. Unless it's a double play? Why would little wislon tell us this was being called in from the elim's, wouldn't they not want her to say that?

Araris

Well, I'm sort of lost now... Clearly I've had a miserable game for identifying elim's. I'll need to think for a bit before I post anything else

I'm voting for Ecthellion. Fair point by Little Wilson on not having much evidence. I would like to add that he voted for Joe yesterday, with essentially no explanation if my memory serves. Most of my previous analysis was gut, also, Stick and Araris are on my suspicions list. It's almost more I know there are at least 3 elim's left, and I currently only have three people on my suspicions list. I think Ecthellion has the highest chance of being lynched out of the three, thus I think we should get him.

@A Joe in the Bush It's not over yet! If you die, the game will lose the little motivation for discussion it has. You don't need to give up! Vote for Ecthellion. @_Stick_Why vote for Joe! That doesn't help us win this game. People can say we have to do it now, but if we lose Joe we lose discussion, plus if we hit an elim this turn we'll be in a much safer position to put a kill on Joe in the future, if we fail it won't really matter either way. @Paranoid King If the elim's and neutrals were in full cahoots we'd be done for anyways. We mind as well go for it, if nothing else, at least it gives us an oppurtunity. Anwyways, our goal is to kill the elims, they can't dislike us for attempting to achieve our win con's. If we waste this lynch do you think more discussion is going to magically appear and give us an answer? It only helps the elims by killing one of the more active players. @Araris Valerian I appreciate your reasoning for not voting for a stock vote. But we need your vote! If you keep it on Drake it will be nothing more than a statement of values. We understand your intent, but wouldn't Ecthellion be better then no elim at all! Even if it gives us very little information, it gives us a chance. Lynching other elim's might be better, but I feel most of the remaining elim's are medium to low radar. @The Flash Vote for Ecthellion! It gives us a chance, if we can get a counterbandwagon rolling in these last 10 hours we might have a chance. But we need every single village vote we can scrape up for this. The neutrals are revealed. Every night the elim's kill it will take out a village, we need to lynch an elim, now! @BrightnessRadiant I understand your wish to help the neutrals if they have helped the village in return, but why now! A: Joe helps keep discussion going, B even if you say this won't be a wasted lynch because of discussion or knowledge, please inform me what we have learned from today that will help as kill an elim next day. And C, if we don't kill an elim next couple of rounds we can roll over and help them out (or they can do it themselves with numbers plus elim help). But in later rounds there will be less discussion, thus we will lose less from spending a day lynching Joe then. We mind as well wait as long as possible, and when we're in a confident position, or have lost, we can kill Joe. @cloudjumperThank you! Neutrals! I think this has been helpful information in identifying elim's, those who voted for Joe and are not neutrals are on my suspicion list now. What do you have to lose from lynching Joe later? @STINKHelp lynch ecth just for chaoses sake!

Well guys, we're on the wire here. We need to coordinate a lynch, and not on a neutral. Ugh, clearly my analysis has been off since my gut vote on Yitzi. I'm a little suspicious of Aralis, but I think thats just playstyle. So I'm discarding that until later. Ecthellion is my best guess. Anyone else got something better? He (she?) has been very low profile all game, and just felt a little off for some reason.

Sorry, been at court for 14 hours of the last two days and am exhausted. I'll post more analysis tonight. Current thoughts, suspicious of Striker, suspicious of Aralis, suspicious of Asterion. Those are my top 3 thoughts at the moment.

Why do you have a strong elim read on PK? He was the first one to vote on Yitzi who is our only confirmed elim. In response to Rae: Sorta gut read. Why try to get us to kill Stink? It's pretty clear he's neutral, it could be an attempt to waste another lynch, draw on the anger from yesterday in the vaccum that is todays discussion. Also, not very active. Slight elim read, I'd be okay with Len too, but not any good analysis why we should lynch him.

Wow, without aman, the thread has died. Ecthellion. That leaves stink as the thief...

Well, I think I've put those somewhere, but to be fair, I'll restate some points. A): with his vote on Asterion he was very cursory, provided very little reasoning, even when prodded, he just responded by regurgitating what others had posted. At the very least I'd give a village lean to asterion if he's evil. He's put out a lot of pm's early game, which could be an easy way of netting in information. He's also been very under the radar for the past couple of turns, ever since people starting talking about suspicions of him. He hasn't put out a strong defense against any of the substantial claims, ie. links to yitzi which I admitedly haven't looked deeply into. Partially ninja'd by PK

Why do you think the straw lynch is unproductive?

Sorry bout that!

Emphasis Mine. Asterion This does make me a little more suspicious. Convincing us to waste our lynch on a neutral (especially stink, there's no particular reason he won't help the village, he'll do what he wants), seems a little off to me. Especially right after people started getting off the Stink bandwagon. I'm really not sure what to make of Asterion;s playstyle overall, first time I've played with him. I'm suspicious of him, but that's about all. Stick has been posting a lot of small posts, poking questions and commenting on stuff. It's this final post that gives me a village lean. I don't like all the people who are suggesting we'll need to lynch stink at some point, makes me suspicious. He also mentioned that he's been "lazy," which maybe explains all of the small posts (that gave me a more a going under the radar vibe. Crimson: My main thought on crimson comes from day 2 when he joined the neutral bandwagon on Randuir. If Randuir is evil this would give him a heavy village lean in my mind. My initial impression is that he was a neutral, do we know all neutrals now? He's been pretty low profile, but I suspect that's an experience thing, I've never played with him before so I'm unfamiliar with his playstyle. Very little read on him. @randuir Is that satisfying?

Ironically, Stink was the first one to suggest this lynch. Straw. Been my best guess for a while.

Nice! This is good to have. Makes you village in my mind. Same with Lopen. I think my main suspicion at the moment is Straw, I'll go back at some point to back that up with evidence, but it feels like he's trying to go under the radar right now, especially with his voting on Asterion. If he's evil, it means Asterion is probably good. Anyone have good reason why he wouldn't be evil?

That's true I was just referring to what the day two vote tells us. I don't want to go back and read the monstrosity that is day one again until I absolutely need too...

I will need to look back at the thread. I only remember him explaining why he voted on Asterion initially.

Well, I'd guess elim's at any point would want to save one of their own. They don't have that many people, so losing any one of their number is a blow. However, their greatest asset is staying hidden. So if they could sacrifice one of their cause in order to clear themselves, it is in their interests to do so. My rough guess would be anyone who voted on Yitzi before Aman's post is somewhat cleared, or at least heavy lean village. Those who voted afterwards are less meaningful. It's possible for elim's to quickly conclude that Yitzi was dead and sacrifice him in order to try and clear themselves. @StrikerEZ Why did you vote for Asterion after Aman's post and only change to Yitzi later? Arranae, I'd argue is leaning village because she jumped early, Flash maybe too, when it was still close, but I wouldn't say it says anything about anyone else.

Did Straw not end up voting on anyone? And how clear do we think it was to the elim's that Yitizi would die after Aman made his post? Aman, why did you end up voting on Asterion?

If Asterion turned out to be good I'd definitely be down. I've been suspicious of Straw for a while.

Fair responses. Thank you Aman for responding succintly as well. I'll wait and see what @asterion137 has to say.

I agree with his suspicions on Straw (not on stink, but that's merely because of his playstyle). How does him not liking swings set him up for a swing? I'd like a response from Asterion on the flip. I respect his argument about the vote switch, even if I disagree that it means one should vote for you. I haven't reacted to the suggestions by Aman either, does that indicate I am an elim playing with the flow? Because that's what an elim would do, isn't that exactly what an elim would want not to do? (of course, I'm biased there, but thats more opinion). Sure, Asterion, could be an elim, but I don't see strong evidence to support it.