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Mistborn Era 4 explained!

Could also be a Kandra; they can go awhile without food.

I don’t think he employed him. I think Iyatil did. And we don’t know how much he’s actually interacted with Mraize; I suspect it isn’t as much as Mraize would like Shallan to believe. @Oltux72 It’s also possible that Kell is pretending to be older than he is. Especially if he took over a pre-existing organization.

For all we know, he has. It may not have worked, or he may need someone more like himself. I think he was spiked in the Cognitive Realm. You can Spike a Spren, after all. And this book has shown that Spren can be made to physically manifest in the physical realm through the manipulation of Connection, though their bodies aren’t humanoid enough for them to survive. A human Spren wouldn’t have that issue. I don’t think it has anything to do with a specific Shard’s Investiture. It seems to have more to do with Connection.

The Heralds actually generate new bodies out of Investiture, which is what I suspect Kell did once he had a tie to the physical realm. He’s like a Spren, and they all seem to be able to that once the tie is strong enough.

Oh, definitely. But this was about noting that Saze was already setting things up with Wax at this point.

He did, but he obviously didn’t personally recruit Mraize. Or most non-Scadrian members. I doubt he recruited Iyatil; I think he recruited her ancestors and she was raised to the family business. He never met Shallan, but she was about to become a GB anyway. He’s not personally recruiting; he’s trusting his recruiters who may not be as discerning as he. For the GBs to work with Kell trapped, he has to really trust other people to work for him. And even when he does have good people, that isn’t a guarantee. How many people did Yeden manage to get killed again?

If you look at Mraize, no. I’d argue that Kabsal, the first GB we meet is another story. We don’t know enough members to make a good judgement. Mraize strikes me very much as the ambitious, ruthless, underling with a worrisome zealous streak. I don’t think he has nearly as much power as he’d like to claim. And I don’t think we can judge him as representative of the whole. Kell is trapped on Scadrial, and somehow running a Cosmere spanning organization. Which is kind of awesome. But it would be impossible for him to keep an eye on every member. He couldn’t even do it ON Scadrial - remember what happened with Yeden? He has to trust his people to get things done properly, which we know doesn’t always happen.

They’re collaborating with people who control the tower - same as they did before. The identity of the controllers have changed, not the GBs actions. From what we’ve seen the Heralds are the closest CSs to Kell. Threnodite Shades are nearly mindless and Returned don’t seem to work by the exact rules as everyone else. Heralds live by continuous infusion of Honor’s essence via the Oathpact. Kell persists because of how deeply he was infused by infused by Preservation’s. It’s not the same, but it’s fairly close, and there’s a decent chance the GBs don’t know that it’s different. There’s no indication that the GBs know capturing a Herald will kill them. If Kell is mistakenly assuming their existence is like his, ie. they were so deeply infused they don’t move on, then he has no reason to expect that capturing the Heralds would kill them. If you’re going to try an experiment, you want it done on something similar to what you eventually plan to use it on. If Kell can stop a Herald’s madness, then he can stop his own. If he can get a Herald off-world, then he can get off world. He needs someone like himself to serve as the guinea pig.

Vargodium works well as a metal name too.

But we don’t know the context. If Kell is up to things he doesn’t want Saze to know (which really isn’t an ‘if’), and the Terrisman works for Saze, then the GBs could be after the man for a completely unrelated reason. Hypothetically: Saze decides to send a Terrisman to Roshar to check things out. Terrisman discovers Axinthew, tells Saze, then works to subvert her. A few years down the line he discovers the GBs. GBs decide to kill him before he can report on Thaidakar’s identity - which the man figured out immediately because it’s a Scadrian word associated with Kell. So you can have two completely unrelated events. And this is just one hypothetical.

Nightblood doesn’t test for evil. The test just sees if someone wants to lift the blade vs. being repelled by it. T is not the kind of person who wants to lift the blade, especially on his compassionate/emotional days.

2. He is called "Lord of Scars" 3. Wit slapped him around Our Against Arguments. 1. Hoid says planets, plural. 2. Mraize says he talks to Kelsier's "avatar" 3. The GB are way harsher than Kelsier ever was 4. Kalak calls Thaidakar, "old Thaidakar". Kelsier's 300 yrs, Kalak is 7000 years. The best argument against is 4. Where does Hoid say planets? I must have missed that. 3 isn’t a good argument since it’s based on the actions of one individual. We’ve only interacted extensively with two Ghostbloods, and one was considerably kinder than the other. We need more time with other GBs. 2: The avatar thing has a fairly simple explanation, I suspect: Kell has a Kandra using his original skeleton. He’s obviously going to have a strong Connection to his own bones, and he has emotional alomancy. Between the two he can possibly use a Kandra to communicate between worlds. And yes, this hypothetical Kandra is a willing participant.

Agree about Szeth. We needed more of him.

By semi-official I meant the pictures people are hired to draw, not the fan images Brandon includes in the leather bounds. So the SH cover, interior art in AU, the Role-playing and board game art.

He wears a fake beard at a certain point, and Vin makes no note of any when she does with others. So I’d guess not, or very little. Most of the cover art or semi-official art depicts him without.

More like the last two have been officially canonized.

There’s a 5-10 year gap between books 5&6. W&W take place in this gap or just after it. SA 5 begins within a short time of SA 4’s finale. Wax and Lessie were together for around fifteen years. (SoS takes place 17 years after their meeting.) Scratch that, Harmony’s already sent her.

Really? It seemed to me they were after capturing a Herald so Kell can interrogate him on being a Cognitive Shadow. Surprisingly straight forward. Mraize wasn’t teaming up with the Fused; they controlled the tower and he needed Shadesmar access. If you don’t care whose in charge, you work with whoever is.

This book takes place around the time Wax and Lessie meet.

Brandon said awhile ago that Kell would lead the Ghostbloods if he could lead a Rosharan secret society. The GBs always felt like Kell’s team - that’s why so many of us theorized that he was. Though I think we all expected to be wrong and are still reeling from being RIGHT. The GBs are in character for Kell. Restoring Odium is not, and I doubt that had anything to with his plans.

You know, I’m now curious as to the reactions of people who read SA first, and then read Mistborn. We’re all coming from ‘Thaidakar is the hero of another planet’ while they’d be coming in only knowing of him as the distant and dangerous leader of a team of antagonists. You have to wonder what their reactions will be when they realize who Thaidakar is while reading Mistborn.

The last I can answer: it means people will expect him to act a certain way, making it easier for T to trick them. The epilogue was a great example of this.

Casually murder a lighteyes is something he’d probably be okay with. Murdering a coachman is probably a no. Brandon has said Kell can’t worldhop yet. Also there seemed to be some implications of that inability here. Mraize is nasty. But Mraize is one person. We’ve seen nicer GBs, too. Thaidakar appears to be the master of all the Ghostbloods. It’s less clear how many steps are between Kell and Iyatil. Iyatil also may have inherited her position, as she’s descended from SoScads. If she was raised by GBs, and is descended from the original GBs, that explains a lot. To a certain extent the GBs almost seem to worship their master, which makes me wonder if we aren’t looking at this wrong. I wonder if the GBs are less of a crew and more of a cult/pseudoreligion. If they are, I’m thinking this one may have been unintentional. But if they are, then we need to look at them as more akin to the Survivorists. Yes they were created by Kell, and I doubt he’s simply letting them be, but they don’t always do what he wants or likes either. And they have their fair share of nasty members. Kell has gotten so good at getting people to worship him that he seems to manage it even when he doesn’t intend to. I’d also expect opinions to look different on the other side. A great example is an unfinished Tolkien story, which shows the good guys of the Atalante as being colonialists from the perspective of someone they’re conquering. The Numenorians were shown as the bad guys there, but from their perspective (shown in the Atalante) they were doing good. It’s a fascinating example of two sides to the story. You probably wouldn’t guess that the Faithful were the heroes of another story, which they definitely are.

The Shard has theorized for awhile that Cultivation’s plan involved Nightblood, Odium and Taravangian’s most emotional day. So I don’t think it was really out of left field...