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A.N.W.I.R. shuffled over. "Hello, humans! Are you having a conversation??" I'll show you truly socially inept My character's a robot.
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Yay my insanity is spreading
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All aboard the Nighthound Bandwagon. Next stop, Mirialis.
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I've analyzed all of Coyote's posts, and I think he might be a member of the forest. So, Joe. Also, I think calling a meeting would be interesting, personally. Would the eliminators on either side try to contact their respective villages? Probably, yes. I'm not sure if that's good or bad. I mean, it doesn't really favor either side. Also I think I shall RP Anwir as a robot, seeing what the setting is. Mention Jeanne at your own risk.
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Exactly! We need to set the tone properly to stir up a good angry mob. These things take planning and coordination. And really, killing somebody in broad daylight just lacks style. Sir Young, sir. Can we get permission to rally an angry mob to murder one of our classmates during the night, sir?
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Umm... Looks outside. Why certainly! Night time provides the best ambiance for an angry mob lynching, dontcha know?
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Hmmm... So both mediums have a new win condition. Unsurprising. What is moderately interesting though is that they see fit not to tell us what it is. Now, I don't blame them in the slightest for it. But. If there was absolutely nothing at all about their win condition that we might find distasteful, I imagine they would have shared it readily. If you could give us a few hints, I might be a little less paranoid Speaking of paranoia, I do hope we are planning to have a lynch today. Give me a few hours and I'll cast a vote.
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Winter. That Nighthound fellow is totally evil. They are probably an eliminator already, however that even works. Lets get a head start and string them up.
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Fear me! I shall irritate your skin!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Also I guess I'll sign up for this one. Maybe I shouldn't. But really, what could possibly go wrong?
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Not to mention a healthy dose of
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This is a game run by Joe. Anything is possible
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"Mass win" and "mass loss" are phrases that describe the same event, the only difference being whose side you end up being on. But thank you for confirming that there are some secret factors here. I will attempt to discover what can be discovered about this setup. Because there's sure to be lots of fun secrets hiding about. Don't worry, I'm not actually considering mass-testing. I mean, seriously, do you really think I could mobilize everybody else, even if I wanted to? EDIT: This is my 1337th post
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But is it gamethrowing if you've switched alignments? This sounds dangerous... Because it would be extremely lame, we should not mass-test. But technically such an approach would result in a majority win, if I'm reading this correctly.
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I'm not really feeling a lynch either. We could always contribution crusade though.
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Players are only allowed to take the test once in the game, right? If so it makes sense to wait a little bit, in the very least.
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But maybe I want anarchy and rowdiness
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I remember I once considered a mistborn faction game, a long time ago. It basically had a few great houses, some eliminator-ish skaa rebels in their midst, and also a small faction of obligators. The obligators simply wanted to wipe out the skaa rebels, and the other great houses, in a similar way to MR19, wanted to wipe out the skaa rebels but end up being more numerous then the other houses. The obligators would potentially have access to a means of motivating each great house not to simply war with each other, although depending on how things went, it could still spin out of control and turn into a house war. I never really developed or balanced it enough to consider running/signup up for it. I don't think I ever will run it. But I remember I had one idea that I rather liked. Each of the great houses would take turns hosting everybody at a ball. Whoever was hosting that night got a kill. This helped dilute the total number of kills-per-cycle in the game, while still giving each of those houses a means to further their objective. It was also a nice source of confusion, because it wouldn't necessarily be possible to determine the source of a kill. Maybe the recent kill was one house trying to betray another... Or maybe it was just the skaa rebels trying to play the houses against each other. I know your game would be structured a little differently than this. But feel free to salvage any ideas from this, if you want.
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We were sleeping That is very interesting. Well, in the least, that means this game has secrets. But that shouldn't be remotely surprising given our GMs. The most obviously "secret" thing is the alignment changing factor with zimmy. I'm guessing this is a gameplay mechanic meant to mirror the thing with those spiders in the comic. Also, I would like to conjecture that some roles may in fact be unofficially alignment indicative. For example, I should like to predict that Ysengrin is Gilltie, and Reynard is Gunnerkrigg. There are a lot of reasons why that would make sense. Including what their abilities are suited to (Ysengrin would make no sense as an eliminator because he has a kill, similarly, Reynard would make a lot more sense as an eliminator because his powers lend themselves to creating chaos), and also how they each factor into the story (Ysengrin is utterly devoted to Gilltie, and Reynard seems to prefer humans). Seeing as Reynard is potentially on our side, I should like to suggest that they claim roleless, if they are ever forced to claim. On the Court side of things... Well there is nothing quite so obvious as the Ysengrin/Reynard pairing. Although some roles, like the alignment scanning witch or the demi-fire elemental, would be somewhat unlikely to be given to the eliminator team. EDIT: And finally, I read the relevant post Joe made that told us about "coyote" and "GM" voices. I will note that this is possibly only a thing in Joe's thread. I imagine there is some level of autonomy between them. I will also note that in that post, Joe very much implied that the medium's win condition is a little more nuanced then to directly make peace. EDIT2: Why is the forest thread way more active than this one...
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Particularly not the mine potato. Unless, of coarse, the mine potato does know, and it's playing us all for fools.
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Blackout games are like a potato in a minefield. Except it might actually be a mine and not a potato. Nobody knows
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As it stands right now, the test creates a feedback loop. If the forest is beating us, we are more likely to want to join them and take the test. And when we take the test, the overall effect is to give the forest an advantage, because 60% of the time they gain +1 villager on their side and -1 villager on the other side. So if a lot of us take the test, the forest starts to win, and if the forest starts to win, even more of us will have reasons to take the test. I can agree that such a strategy is maybe not the most fun way to play the game. And therefore we shouldn't do it. But isn't it kind of concerning that such a potential gamebreak is simply sitting there in the open? I can't help but suppose that there must be something about the test that we don't know about yet. Something secret. The test is an important game mechanic, and I'm sure the GMs have thought about this more than I have, so far. EDIT: Lets do some proper permutations for all this, hmm? Court Case 1. Gunnerkrigg villager takes test. Outcome 1 (60%)- Alignment change. Gunnerkrigg loses one villager, Gilltie gains one villager. Gilltie faction is favored. Outcome 2 (40%)- No alignment change. Gunnerkrigg loses on villager, and gains one eliminator. Gunnerkrigg faction is favored (to a similar extent as the above outcome favors Gilltie). Case 2. Gilltie eliminator takes test. Outcome 1 (60%)- Alignment change. Gilltie loses on eliminator, Gunnerkrigg gains one eliminator. Gunnerkrigg faction is heavily favored. Outcome 2 (40%)- No alignment change. Gilltie loses an eliminator, and gains a villager. Gunnerkrigg faction is somewhat favored. Forest Same as court, basically, except reversed. So... The test will alter your alignment... But in almost all cases, the test will favor whatever faction you are now part of, after testing. That's rather dangerous. So I am still lead to suspect that there is something secret in play here. Or maybe I've just read the numbers wrong, and the test isn't vulnerable to gamebreaking. That is also possible. Either way... Be careful, hm?
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That is assuming there isn't anything we aren't taking into account, I think. Perhaps it would be a boring choice, perhaps it wouldn't. Either way, it's worth considering the limits of the game. The extreme case scenarios, as it were. And this one is particularly of interest to the overall balance and workings of the game. What do you think? Do you believe that such a strategy would technically succeed, or is there another factor?
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I would also be very interested to know the answer to Randuir's question. Also, the proposed plan is neither chaos nor preservation... It's "experimentation"
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Yes, the rules say we get a random non-unique role on the other side.
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Hmmmm... It would be concerning if everybody agreed to take the test, and then the following cycle we find out all of the eliminators here simply decided not to switch. That would basically be an instant loss for us. Still, if there's a way we can prevent this, I'd be game. It sounds much more interesting that way. EDIT: Actually... It would be an instant win for 60% of us, because we'd change to Gilltie alignment... Hehehe... I'm starting to really like this plan.
