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From my perspective and understanding of the books, he is not a credible witness. He is seen as a buffoon and an annoyance. In my opinion, outside of the main characters, there is not a single member of the Alethi nobility who would take Wit seriously. He has been crass, vulgar, abusive, manipulative, etc. and is known to play elaborate pranks. The fact that Sadeas was confident that he could convince a sizable portion of the Alethi nobility to believe that Dalinar was in cahoots with the Parshendi is ample evidence, to me, that someone could convince a sizable portion of the Alethi nobility that Jasnah is the hand behind the assassination. Short of literally teleporting people to Shadesmar and showing them, I do not think Shallan's word alone would be enough to remove the cloud of suspicion if Ialai (or whomever) has a modicum of evidence. Again, we are pointing to the fact that Jasnah wrote down her instructions to the Weeper. Now, you did point out that a good assassin would not be so foolish as to keep a paper trail but the fact that Jasnah herself wrote it out, and even kept the more damning paper to herself, shows the possibility that there could be a paper trail. Add on to that a few bribes to the accountants and you might suddenly have evidence of large sums of spheres being paid to the Queen's maid... suspicious, no? While we, as the readers, understand that I'm not so sure the characters agree. She is the previous King's daughter, the current King's sister, an avowed heretic, an outspoken feminist in a male-dominated society. She cannot help but be viewed by the Alethi nobility as a "player in the game". If you have read the Wheel of Time series then you know that "not playing the game" is just another way of playing the Great Game. Again, my arguments are not made in the spirit of "this will happen" but, rather, made in the spirit of "I think the person who originally suggested this brought up an interesting idea and it is a possibility". Do I expect to read Oathbringer and see Jasnah implicated in Sadeas' death? Absolutely not. I find it far more plausible that Adolin will be implicated quickly. I find it far more plausible that someone else might be implicated and Adolin will admit he did it. I think there are many scenarios that are more plausible but I think this idea is interesting and, if Sanderson, for whatever reason, went this route I believe that the threads to weave this storyline exist and are plausible.

Perhaps, "Assassins and the Technicolor Clothes"?

About 3-4 months, I think. Dalinar's count down began at 60ish days, iirc. Add in some travel time for Shallan in the beginning and a few days for the post-Everstorm hang out at Urithiru and we are not talking about that much time. And remember, all of this speculation presupposes that Jasnah shows up in Uruthiru or that someone (maybe Ialai) gets solid confirmation of Jasnah being alive. Oh come on, the King's Wit is going to vouch that Jasnah teleported to another dimension, wrangled information out of the rulers of a group of spren, and then somehow teleported herself back to nowhere Alethkar? If that does not sound like exactly the sort of nonsense Wit would normally say then... well, I don't even know what to add haha. We already went over this. The assumption is that there is a paper trail or, perhaps, even that someone bought out the Weeper's contract. I'm more just playing Odium's Advocate here but I think this idea is getting dismissed too quickly. I do not, personally, believe this is the direction Sanderson will go but I think the pieces for such a direction are there if he did so choose.

Welcome! I, uh, must admit that I am rather curious about all of these "Assassin in " members. Are you related to each other? Friends? Time traveling folk? Part of the same assassin guild?

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Because Ialai has a big network of spies and figured it out? Jasnah gave written instructions to the Weeper and also had a second set of written instructions that she did not give the Weeper. It is a possibility, no?

Did you absolutely loathe them as well? I was so disgusted when I finished the series. It had such potential and it was all wasted. Ah well. I have to stop thinking about it or my coworkers will wonder why I am yelling angrily at the screen; well, actually, they will probably just assume my code broke haha. edit: In order to stay on topic I want to put out the theory that Terminator is Cosmere; each Terminator is a hemalurgic construct and they have discovered how to "world hop".

He gave his Shardplate to Renarin much earlier in the book [edit: Actually, now I cannot remember if he gave it to Renarin at the end of Way of Kings or during Words of Radiance - either way, Dalinar gave it to Renarin long before this moment]. Dalinar has no Shardplate at this point. Later, when they are fighting the Stormform Parshendi, Dalinar goes to battle with no Shardplate.

As far as I can tell, Dalinar was not wearing Plate. As @Pathfinder said earlier, I think we will just have to agree to disagree here. Technically, a WoB on this would settle it but I honestly do not think it is really worth that level of attention haha. Both interpretations work just fine for the story, I think.

Whoa. I never said I condoned Amaram's actions or that Amaram's actions are the same actions I would choose if I was being falsely accused. I was simply interpreting what occurred in the book. This is not "my premise" but, rather, it is Amaram's premise. Also, if you do not mind, would you please explain how Amaram cutting down Dalinar in front of thousands of witnesses would improve Amaram's situation? That is the hold up for me being able to accept your interpretation of the situation as valid. The only possible way I could see Amaram doing that is if he panicked but there is no mention of him acting panicky. Killing Dalinar, who is someone Amaram respects greatly, would be literally the worst possible response in this scenario. @Argel, no worries haha. You didn't have to update the quote but thanks for doing that! I was merely surprised at what I had, seemingly, written haha.

@Argel, when I read my quote in your post I was super confused because it looked like I was saying I thought Amaram was going to kill Dalinar when I thought I had written the opposite but then I realized that the quote was not the entire sentence haha. I had to do, like, a quadruple take though. Exactly. If Amaram could get his Blade out and force everyone back then he could easily escape. If he did not summon his Blade and soldiers quickly jumped him/knocked him down then he could, possibly, be beaten out of his armor, tied up, and taken to trial. By summoning his Blade and becoming "alert, as if preparing for a fight" then he greatly lessens the odds of being jumped - no sane soldier would try to arrest a full Shardbearer if said Shardbearer already has their Blade out, eh? Basically, Amaram was deterring the possibility of arrest by summoning his trump card. Little did he realize that Dalinar had his own trump card.

Agree. Agree. If I understand what you are saying then I slightly disagree here. Dalinar is not offering Amaram a chance to come clean here but, rather, previously Dalinar waited to give Amaram time to admit to Dalinar that Amaram had stolen the Blade from the cave and lied about it. At this point in the game Dalinar is past allowing Amaram to come clean. Agree but not because I think Amaram was trying to kill Dalinar but because Amaram would use his superior weapon and armor status to resist being arrested and taken to trial. It seems like we, basically, agree on everything that is occurring but not quite on why it was occurring. Again, the big factor for me is that there is literally nothing to be gained, and everything to be lost, by blatantly attacking Dalinar. Sadeas is Amaram's liege lord and would be more than willing to protect Amaram from Dalinar as long as Amaram can get to Sadeas. If Amaram gets arrested now then it becomes a lot harder for him. Also, Amaram is still safe from Kaladin's accusations in a legal sense because Dalinar only proved that Amaram would lie about a Shardblade he found in a cave which definitely does not translate into therefore he would murder his own troops to get a set. So, at the expense of beating this poor, dead horse I just do not see any reason for Amaram to attack/kill Dalinar and I see every reason for Amaram to insure that he can get out of here and back to somewhere more defensible in both the physical and the legal sense.

I just re-read the scene (hooray for kindle app on my phone haha) and I still do not think Amaram was going after Dalinar. Here are the parts I think are important: Page 930 (an so on) So, Amaram becomes more alert, as if preparing for a fight and begins summoning his Blade. No allusion, even from suspicious Kaladin's point of view, is made that Amaram is going to attack Dalinar. I can see why people might think Amaram was going to attack Dalinar but, given the word choices and the context/situation, I cannot think of a single reason why Amaram would attack a Highprince in broad daylight in front of 3-4 armies and their respective Shardbearers. My interpretation is that Amaram was prepared to resist arrest.

I actually read that scene a bit differently; I assumed Amaram was acting defensively, in that, he thought he was going to be arrested or something. I do not think Amaram was honestly about to strike down Dalinar in front of thousands of witnesses.

I think there are ways... [edit] New theory - the Terminator is actually a hemalurgic construct that can Worldhop. Cosmere confirmed.

That is a good point; assuming Dalinar and Adolin are irreplaceable assets in the fight against the Desolation then yeah, Sadeas' betrayal could have actually cost Roshar more than Amaram's scheming.

Simply playing Odium's Advocate here but there are few bits of information that could paint Jasnah as the culprit: 1| If Ialai knows, and somehow has proof, that Jasnah hired an assassin; we were shown Jasnah doing that for some reason, eh? Why not for this? 2| Sadeas died from a knife to the eye; Jasnah's hired assassin has the quirk of gouging out people's eyes. People might suspect that Sadeas was assassinated by this specific person but that she was interrupted while killing Sadeas. 3| The suspicion that will surround Jasnah having "miraculously" returned from the dead might cast doubt on her; especially if her timing brings her to Uruthiru right after Sadeas is found dead. 4| She is a heretic and, therefore, suspicion can more easily fall on her. 5| Ialai might see it as another way of undermining Elhokar's rule (if she still wants to); if the King's sister can assassinate a Highprince then who is safe?! So, while I do not personally find the idea compelling that Jasnah might be blamed for Sadeas' death I do see it is a (faint) possibility. The threads are there if Sanderson wants to weave them.

I think this is well thought out. It presupposes a few things but, hey, we are speculating aren't we?

Well, I guess it depends on a number of things: 1) Are all spren as, for lack of a better word, shy at bonding? Perhaps some Orders bond faster than others? 2) The Everstorm. The spren are being forced to choose between risking death by bonding or simply being wiped out by Odium. They are moving faster. 3) Adolin was, to an extent, a "proto-Radiant" (this term has no real meaning haha) by exhibiting the characteristics required of a certain Order but he never had the proper "cracks" in his soul. He now does so the bonding process began then.

@Oversleep: Those are good points. I worry that waiting to read Secret History until the very end will greatly lessen its impact as most people will take a long, long time to get through all of the other books. Unless a reread of era 1 is done right before I would almost recommend reading Secret History right after era 1 and then use the knowledge obtained from M:SH to help you find easter eggs in the rest of the works.

Using the idea of keeping things consistent and as close together as possible why is era 2 Mistborn being read so long after era 1? Why not just do all of Mistborn in one go and then pick up where Elantris is? As in,

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Eshonai has the increased speed/strength of Stormform plus Shardplate (though Adolin had Shardplate as well so they cancel out). Brienne lacks the power of Stormform so I doubt she is a good comparison for Eshonai.

For the Mormons who read this thread: [texting my wife] Me: I'm omw home! Wife: Return with honor! Me: Honor is dead but I'll see what I can do.

Leia views herself as an "Organa", her adopted parent's name, so, due to the powerful affect of the Cognitive Realm she is not actually considered a Skywalker.