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We have input from Brandon on Shallan: This is the closest picture he has (at least at the time of posting) ever found for somebody resembling what Shallan should look like: I'm trying to find the source so I can cite what Brandon specifically said about this image

Two things: From what source did you arrive at that abbreviated list of color attributes? Any color pair or triad is not the same as the sum or difference of their parts. WB =/= Orzhov even though Orzhov is WB Color Identity Discussed in this thread, Links from the referenced thread: For example: The Article at that link tells us that WB, as an enemy color pair: That sounds like what we know of Dominion to me.

This is unconfirmed, but a very popular theory. Era 3 will deal heavily with F-Nicrosil as the (current) planned protagonaist is a Nicrosil Ferring. What we do know is that, somehow, an Excisor allows for Fabrial Nicrosil to store an ability to be granted to the user of the Medallion - and that Medallion's use of Nicrosil is not the same as innate Nicrosil Ferrings. Mini-rant

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The coppermind lists him as one, but i suppose they can be wrong. Elhokar's Viewpoints were in The Way of Kings Prime (non-Canon) which is why he is listed in Category: Viewpoint Characters

To put an example to this thought: In WoK, Kaladin nearly jumps into the Honor Chasm. He reflects on that moment multiple times in WoK. And in WoR. At least once or twice in OB. Even more in RoW (to be expected when Odium is pushing your emotions like dominoes). However, I cannot recall a single time in WaT that Kaladin reflects: So, out of two known Suicide attempts, the time when he actually jumped gets no call-backs or reflection; but the time when he was stopped by Syl with the leaf gets repeated references. It just seemed "off" to me.

It was basically stated that way by Navani in WoR:

Yeah, my personal take is that the ePub should release the week after the Convention. Let those that enjoy Swag chase the cards (during and after - especially to "collect" a physical copy of the story) but let the rest of us have the story too. But I also have a similar personal problem with Audio exclusive Content (non cosmere)

Before this fills with spoilers I don't want to see, can I just go on record to say that I really love being told "Have-nots can't get these stories, because you can't travel or are too poor to do so" (might not be the words used, but that is the message I received at least). - I undestand the "let's try something different for conventions" mentality - I do not understand the "let's exclude everybody else. . . because" mentality Sorry for the mini-rant - but the commercialism of "exclusive product" really really bothers me.

Welcome to the Shard. Please consider an Intro Post to let us know what you have or have-not read (whichever list is shorter). Also, please consider checking out the Sharder FAQ for some useful forum info and tips. This type of discussion belongs in Cosmere Discussion. You posted to: I've reported the post so a Mod can move it for you. That said - have you read The Sunlit Man? Minor Spoilers: Hope that helps

Thank you - forgot that part (only read twice, and it's been a while). I feel like one or both of us are failing to understand each other and keep talking passed each other. Please allow me to try to restate and explain slightly differently, to clarify (and feel free to do the same) When something is granted sentience or sapience by Investiture - it is Awakened. Almost all MoIs can accomplish this in some fashion In shown examples, there are all permanent Investitures (Lifeless, Father Machine, Nightblood, etc.) Granting movement to fulfill a command in the short term (and any spatial awareness, etc. necessary to achieve that Command) is what Awakening, as a Manifestation of Investiture based upon the Intent of Endowment can achieve that other MoIs cannot achieve. Breath can Awaken a Teft Statue into a Lifeless - no version of Stormlight would also turn that Soulcast Teft Corpse into a Lifeless (even if invested to the point of Sapience, it won't move) WoB: Does that clarify anything?

Example: The cloth is not Sentient or Sapient - it has merely been Awakened with Breath and a Command for a function, and has movement to fulfill that Command. Fort's Board may have been Awakened as an AI with a yet-unknown MoI, but Breath was used by Xisis to Awaken the Tapestry to hold Captain Crow.

Feel free to provide examples. Father Machine was Awakened, but did not use Awakening. I can think of no examples where an object gained independent movement that was not derived from BioChromatic Breath. There are many ways form something to be Awakened to Sentience or Sapience. (your term) "Nalthian" Awakening is the only art we have seen that confers independant movement in fulfilling a Command. Sand mastery allows movement under control of a Luhel Bond. Aetherspores allow Luhel Bond influenced growth (and Control for Midnight Spores). Right, this is "can I use Stormlight as fuel instead of Breaths for the Same MoI" - and that answer was "Yes, Asterisk" - because the answer was that you would have to convert the Stormlight into Breaths - but the MoI was still "Nalthian" Awakening. Awakening is a Magic Art (MoI) normally fueled by breath (but like all MoIs, there are ways to fuel it with other sources of investiture - ref: TLM and unkeyed Dor fueling Allomancy) Being Awakened is a state of AI confered by Investiture and achievable by most MoIs in the Cosmere Feel free to disagree - your opinion is your own, But you will need to provide examples if you want others to agree. That was why I specifically called out Father machine, Fort's Board, the Awakened Safe, (also, the Awakened Metalminds in TSM) etc. as examples of the second term She did. She created Nalthis (or found an empty planet and created Nalthians) specifically to have BioChromatic Breath and function on the Intent of Endowing Breath to grant (short-term) life to objects. WoB Nalthians were created to have Innate investiture above Cosmere Standard (making Drabs below Cosmere Standard)

You know, given that the Gemstones meld to and can be summoned along with the Blade, I wonder if a Feruchemist could attach Metalminds to a Blade they bonded. Then they could have a summonable Metalmind any time they needed on top of a Shardblade. Furthering that line of thought, if you mount steel and iron onto a blade, does that become part of the blade? You've talked about removing and reapplying the metal, but could the metal be summoned and dismissed along with the blade? No, anything else affixed will not remain with the blade. WoB: What's not in the WoB is (informed speculation) this is likely because for it to dismiss and summon with the blade you would have to have it become part of the Spiritual and Cognitive Identity of the blade. Since the Blade is a Spren (Deadeye or not) if this could even happen, only they could make that happen. The Gemstone stays with the blade when dismissed because the Bonding Process makes it part of both the Wielder and the Blade (as the Connection between them) and that bond is only restoring a nomal function of a Living Shardblade. The Spiritual nature of a Deadeye wants to be Dismissed and Summoned as it did when alive - so them Polestone is more readily incorporated because it's a (very small) type of Healing for the Deadeye. That's something that external ornamentation would not have. I would not say it is impossible, but it is unlikely that you could waken a Deadeye to Maya levels and get them to accept ornamentation as an essential part of their Ideneity (and even that might not work). Alternatively (though also unlikely) find a metallic method of creating the Bond instead of a Polestone (maybe a DuraluminMind) - but then you will staill have the problem of pushing or pulling invested metal (even if not quite as resistant as the Shardblade itself).

Remember not to confuse "Awakening" with "Being Awakened": Awakening is the process of endowing BioChromatic Breath in an object to allow it to move in simulation of Life and fulfill basic Commands given at time of Awakening Vasher Awakened a staw man in the Jail with the Command "Find Keys" Zahel Awakened the laundry to wrap up Kaladin's hands when they sparred at Urithiru Something that "is Awakened" means it has been imbued with investiture of some form from an Invested Art to the point that it can function as an Artifical Intelligence with some level of Sentience (up to, but ot exclusive of Sapience) Father Machine was Awakened to to Sentience by Hion so that it could harvest Spirits to create more Hion The Ghostbloods Safe was Awakened (method unknown) so that it could recognize if a person legitimately had the combination for access or was trying to circumvent those protocols Fort's Tablet was Awakened (method unknown) so that it sould read his Intent and help him communicate. Lifeless are likely the second category through the method of the first category.

Feruchemy, as an MoI, came to be thorugh the same mechanism that most MoIs exist. They are not created by the Shards directly (though they can be tweaked) - rather the Realmatics of the Cosmere mean that when you have a Shard Invested in a world (and that means a little something extra for Scadrial because of how it as Created) - the planet, the people, and the Shard's Intent will naturally resolve into one or more Manifestations of Investiture. For example, Endowment did not "create" Awakening (especially the way she does create Returned) - rather Awakening was the natural result of the Endowment Intent interacting with Nalthis and people that are born with BioChromatic Breath. Likewise, Feruchemy is the Natural Result of two Shards having Created a world and it's people; such that the Intent of Preservation is expressed in how Feruchemy "saves" your own traits to use later, and the Intent of Ruin (entropy) is expressed in how small amounts of that Investiture are lost in the storing, tapping, and compression of a Trait. How that became linked to the Terris sDNA is still unknown - but the predominant theory here is that: We know at the time of the Final Empire, it has been millenia since the Shattering We know that Preservation's Well refilled every 1024 years. We know the Terris Prophesies were created by Preservation as part of the Gambit to break his deal with Ruin allowing the destruction of Scadrial And that this happened long before Alendi and Rashek We know that before Rashek accessed the Well, Scadrial had Gunpoweder and other tech that TLR purposefully suppressed Therefore, we expect that Alendi's Well was not the First Time that the Well had filled and a "Hero" chosen to use the Well to prevent Ruin's escape. Many believe it was the Hero 1024 years before Rashek that used the Well to tie Feruchemy to the Terris sDNA in the North - because it is obviously not tied to Terris sDNA in the South (where they also only have Ferrings, not full Feruchemists). The Sharder FAQ has tips on how to more effectively search the Arcanum. It helps to have been around long enough to have seen many WoBs - so if you remember having read one, it comes down to remembering how to find it again. . .

No, the Shardblade itself changes to accept a Gem, just as a Shardblade will adapt itself over time to its wielder. Hope that helps.

Gemstones were added years after the Recreance and that is how Deadeye Shardblades can be Summoned and Released. Basically, a gemstone is set into the Pommel and, using Intent, the bearer Invests some of their own Innate Investiture over the Bonding period into the Gemstone to forge a Connection to the Shardblade (which is why summoning a blade is linked to Heartbeats - the bearer is loaning some of their life to the Shard to Summon it back into the Physical Realm). That's also why a Surgebinder cannot breath in the light of a Bonding Gem (investiture resists investiture).

Have you read The Lost Metal? Spoilers: Hope that helps

No. Asterisk. WoB: Now the sliver of non-Spren Honorblade. . . Hope that helps

The Atium Retcon* was that "anybody" could burn pure Atium - and by "Anybody" he was non-definitive: Anyone in the Cosmere? Any Scadrian (because they all have Preservation inside them)? Any Allomancer (because you have to have access to Allomancy to burn a Metal)? This is further confused because Lerasium is a special case - because it's side-effect is to Grant Allomancy (see Hoid). The result of a number of WoBs and clarifications is that the most likely interpretation is "Anybody at all can Burn Lerasium to get Allomancy. Allomancers (maybe just Mistborn) burning Lerasium get the Primary (still unknown) Effect. Allomancers trying to burn Godmetals from other Shardworlds would have to have some Connection to that Shard to access thier Godmetal." We have no indications that a non-Metal Born can "Allomantically burn" any Godmetal (but they can make use of that investiture when it is a gas or liquid if they have other MoIs and a valid connection to the Investiture - such as Stormlight fueling Surges). Whole Lotta WoBs: *Note: The Retcon is older than Hero of Ages - because he plotted and first-draft wrote all three books together, then edited and published TFE. And in editing WoA and HoA realized the change needed to be made. WoB: Hope that helps

Which is why I said splitting the polls. Possibly more total choices when you have 1 poll of only major viewpoint characters, and a separate poll of minor and ancilliary viewpoint characters. For example, Lift had a total of 14 viewpoint chapters (including her entire Novella) compared to Serene's 26 PoV chapters - but you randomly left off one of the major PoVs of Elantris for many minor POV characters (for example, Spook had only 14 PoVs and only in one book of the Era 1 trilogy, Jasnah had only 21 PoV chapters in three of five books for Stormlight - but both made this list while actual Primary PoVs did not). The part I am unsure of, is if you can have a full 30 options for each poll in a two poll thread (Example two poll thread). No. Moash has only 10 PoVs across three books - much less coverage than most options - and not a primary PoV in anything (Unlike Kenton, Khrissalla, Lift, Dusk, Silence, Shai, etc.)

Have you considered separating the list into Main Characters and Secondary Characters? Alternatively, remove the secondary characters and limit to only Primary PoVs. It seems a bit unfair to ignore half of the cosmere because you could only fit Scadrial and Roshar - not to mention Characters like Jasnah get very little screen time compared to somebody like Vin, Wax or Shallan. Notably absent: Serene Lukel Shai Gaotona Siri Vivinna Vasher Old Chapps Kenton Khriss Ais Silence Sixth of the Dusk Miles Hundredlives Nikli Axies Hoid should remain absent, as that would skew results. Shai would be my choice, if she had made the list.

It is approximately 1908 in-world. Ch 1: We do not have a year for when Gregory III discovered Rithmatics - only that he fled Britannia to the New World, gave up the Crown and focused on being head of the Chuch of the Monarch - being incepted and learning Rithmatics late in his life. There are two theoretical possibilities of which I am aware: Gregory III is a stand in for King George, placing his reign and the move to the New World around the time of the Revolution (late 1700s) The Joseun Invasion mirrors the Golden Horde. Shilla united the Korean Peninsula in the 7th century, creating the Goryeo Empire (where the modern Korea name derives) on the peninsula. Goryeo became the Joseon in the 1390s The Mongols invaded Europe in the 1240s So, if this story's JoSeun rose up in the early 1400s, then followed the Mongolian invasion westward - the invasion of Britannia would likly fall in the mid to late 1500s This would place Gregory III and the move to America around the same time as the Jamestown Colony, early 1600s WIthout a WoB, it's all conjecture - but knowing Brandon's fascination with Korea and the Mongols, I would guess the latter. Hope that helps

Objectively, we don't have enough data. Personally, no - because it's not how invested they were before becoming a Cognitive Shadow (or while a Cognitive Shadow - like Kelsier and Yumi) their soul is still not a Splinter. It is, at best, a Sliver - and based on known data Splinters can manifest as Blades, not Shadows or Slivers. Some Shadows do have a Splinter (Yumi has a Splinter of Virtuosity, Each Returned has a Splinter of Endowment) - so it may be possible to manifest that Splinter as a Blade (except the whole dies if the Splinter is removed thing - at least for Returned and their Divine Breath)