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You assume anybody had a choice; when it is just as likely that at the time that Sazed "fixed" the Koloss, the only option open to Harmony and the Kandra was: "Lose your spikes and become Mistwraiths - or - keep your spikes and sapience, but you will have 'the flaw.'" Didn't Harmony allude to this in the Words of Founding So, removing spikes from Koloss could return some measure of humanity that was lost; but removing spikes from Kandra would just rip their minds out and turn them back into Mistwraiths. Also, despite Mistwriaths having been created by Rashek from Feruchemists; I doubt that any Kandra/mistwraith alive (except the First Generation; if they survived the Resolution) had ever been Human so he couldn't just "return their humanity." Also, we don't know if there was a choice or not. Maybe Sazed was able to allow Kandra wearing bones to become fully human again in the body they currently wore and that is why the Kandra population is so small now. These are the Kandra who chose to remain Kandra (even if some, like Paalm, later come to regret the choice). Do we even have a canon answer as to what happened to the first and second generation?

I can see your point. I still think it would take much more (like an aluminum bodysuit) to prevent something like allomancy (after all, it's only blocking connection between two halves in the physical realm, where it is physically between them as well as spiritually blocking connection). However, I can see the abiguity so until there is a definitive WoB we can only exchange hypotheses and debate the data available.

Well, that depends on if the Stormlight in the soulcaster device is powering the entire transformation - or - powering the connection and allowing SR investiture to power the change once the connections are made. Fabrial or not, local access to investiture or not; the process still has to be reaching into the CR and SR outside the physical confines of the box to both determine how to change and what to change into. If they were changing rocks cut by Azure's blade into food; then the SPiritual template of what "food" is has to be accessible to the rock being changed even if the investiture powereing th echange is coming from the gems in/on the soulcaster. Which also means that, in the question above, a feruchemist should be able ot store or tap most attributes and an allomancer would be able to burn metals; they just would be unlikely to be able to affect anything Physical that is outside the box.

I think this question makes a possible false assumption. I don't think investiture is a "part" of the spiritweb; aspects of the spiritweb are what determine what and how investiture is accessed. Spiritweb Words of Brandon and Coppermind. That said, dumping a large amount of investiture would probably have passive Heightening-like effects (Dawnshard Spoiler): But I don't think random changes to access Shardic Expressions of Investiture will form; since evidence thus far shows that: - Cracks in the spiritweb would need to exist - Some connection to one or more forms of SEI would also need to be present to determine the method of investiture expression.

Being physically located inside an aluminum box (or aluminum lined room) should have no effect on the ability to burn metals/store attributes or tap attributes (this may not apply to AonDor on Sel). Afterall: The metal is only a "key" and the power of preservation comes from the SR, where all places and times are the same (being in a box on the PR has no bearing on accessign investiture from the SR). However, it would affect the ability to use metals on things/people outside the box (because now the physical manifestation of that investiture on the PR is being blocked by Aluminum on the PR). WoB If an aluminum box/room blocked all access to investiture (or limited it by the size of the box/room); then Azure would not have been able to have so much food made with the soulcaster in Kholinar.

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Since you are avoiding spoilers, I will spoiler tag this and you can decide to look or not: You may recognize one or more of these foreigners if you have already read: I only guessed right on 1 of 3 on my own, and then it was my second read through (probably because it was right before Words of Radiance released and I had just re-read all the cosmere books out at that time in anticipation of the release)

Just keep in mind that the prose version through the Newsletter is the draft, so there are changes in the Canon release. Also, isn't there an omnibus reprint that's going to be released since the scalpers on Amazon/eBay have made sure its inaccessible to new purchases even in the US (seriously, asking $130 used and $180 new for a copy of Vol 1).

Legally. Court of public opinion however. . .

Pretty sure stealing Laral's inheritance counts against this. . . I'm not saying he doesn't have some admirable qualities - but for somebody that espouses the supposed theory that everyone is equal he certainly embodies the stereotype "My opinion is more equal. . ." Honestly, the way he treats Kaladin is the low on the list of reasons I dislike him (but still on the list).

Stormlight 5 - More on the Shin and how/why they kept the honorblades, as well as more on the current disposition of the Honorblades. Stormlight Back 5: Rall Elorim! More on Ayshen and what happened to cause the exodus Maya! Spren Viewpoint (maybe an interlude - like Syl's) of forming the early bond Truthwatchers (including normal and Renarin Style - for comparison) Wow, this surprises me. Lirin is in my least-favorites cast list, as I find him to be almost as hypocritical as Amaram (nowhere near as morally bankrupt - but sooo hypocritical), which does not feel very "Honor" to me at all.

I totally get what you are saying, and I concur. I was talking about the part I quoted right before that - realizing the assassin at the bridge was from Sadeas' Lumber yard and trying to warn Adolin and get Dalinar off of the bridge. That's the part that was in-line with his oaths. This seems very important, especially combined with: So if Kaladin had never heard the first oath before, it seems unlikely that Tien would have; much less had sworn the first oath. So, "at least one oath," since Tien was bonding a Cryptic, might have been 1 or more Truths, but without the foundational Oath (which might account for the lack of breathing in Stormlight).

Here are the Words of Brandon on Kandra blessings. It does not seem that a single spike of any metal would be enough to keep a Kandra stable. Here is the WoB on how Paalm was hiding IIRC, it wasn't ever the type of spike(s) that made somebody vulnerable to Ruin/Harmony; it was the number of spikes. One spike (like Wax's Earring) allows Harmony/Ruin to talk to the person Two or more spikes allows Harmony/Ruin some level of control over the person, with more spikes making that control both easier and more complete. Here are the WoBs concerning Lerasium Spikes; most notably:

I didn't see anybody mention this when scanning through the thread - but on the "Part X" page (Part 1-5) you should see a list of names. Those are the Viewpoint characters for that Part. When you experience something different (e.g. Cenn's viewpoint) you know not to expect them to develop into a main character (cause "Cenn" wasn't in the list of Part 1 viewpoint characters): At the start of every chapter, you should also see some awesome artwork. The center image is specific to the character whose viewpoint that chapter follows. So, as you go along, if you pay attention to those things it can help give you an idea of what to expect. All of the various "titles" are from various Sanderson books, in this case Mistborn (Era 1) - The Final Empire, Well of Ascension, Hero of Ages.

Short answer - we don't know. It has not been explained, if there is a difference, what that difference would be. . . A lot of discussion on this is happeneing the This Thread (RoW Spoilers).

Interesting Theory, though that's alot to put on one guy. I'm not sure that helping Testament will natually lead to helping a deadeye whose Radiant is dead. Also (see below) we have more than one Bondssmith now, and I think helping Deadeyes just might be mroe in Navani's wheelhouse. But all of those uses of Spiritual Adhesion are connecting himself to something/someone. Trying to heal a Deadeye would be connecting two things external to himself. I'm not saying it can't be done, it is an interesting theory, but i am saying it is unlikely to be as intuitive as the ways he has already begun to use. Also, we should consider that we have another Bondsmith now. In the theory that each order/Radiant Spren is X% Honor/Y% Cultivation; I would posit that either: 1- Navani is the one more likely to be able to work this kind of Connection, since the Sibling is already of both Honor and Cultivation - or - 2 - Dalinar would be able to help Deadeye Spren who are more of Honor than Cultivation, and the spren that are more Cultivation than Honor would need assistance from a Cultivation bondsmith.

For those of you who may read the series, this reminds me of Cold Days (Dresden Files 14) So, it seems like if a strong Connection will form, then ripples of that can be seen before it occurs; because the SR is time/space agnostic.

Still not the book reference, but this is from the Coppermind, and a related quote from WoR Also, earlier discussing who "accepts" an oath, I found this WoB that implies it's not the same for every order: Interesting, but can a Deadeye even receive Oaths? Even if they can, Oaths alone aren't enough for normal dead Shardblades, so I'm unsure if it is enough for Shallan/Test. This implies it might be, but since the question is more about Adolin/Maya, it's interrupted... WoB (regarding Adolin/Maya)

I doubt there would be much difference, unless/except once that investiture is removed. After all, if you have read Elantris:

Also. . .

I'm sorry I was unclear. I did not mean to say Syl wasn't dead - I just don't think she was a Deadeye. I'll search after work when I have time, but I recall a quote (novel or WoB - not sure which) about death for Spren not being a "state" but more of a "range." I'll edit this when i find it. . . [EDIT] I beleive these are at least partially what I was remembering, I'll check teh books next for the "range of death" reference i seem to recall. . . [Edit too] I found some of the book quotes, but not the one I was thinking of (maybe I imagined it) However, looking this up made me realize something. . . I have a new hypothesis to put forward. Not only is there something abnormal going on with the Shallan/Testamant "spren death due to oathbreaking," but the Kal/Syl situation was also abnormal. I now don't think Syl was really dead or a Deadeye, I think the Stormfather was exagerating due to his not liking that Syl had formed a new Nahel bond. If you look at the section I quoted (above) from WoR Ch 68-69, you'lll notice that whatever happened to Syl wasn't due to breaking oaths. Or, at least the bond was not broken that way. She was obviously regressing due to Kaladin's indecision. However, when the bond "snapped," Kaladin was fulfilling oaths. He was trying to protect Dalinar. However, when the bridge collapsed and he fell, he reached for stormlight, for power. He reached too far for what the current state of his bond could support. I think this is kind of like when Dalinar reached for his bond with Stormfather to get through the Oathgate when his memory was returning and he panicked. Dalinar reached for power (because he doesn't have a Sword as a bondsmith) and injured Stormfather in the process. I think Kaladin did something similar, and hurt Syl because his bond was so much weaker. But, the key point I am trying to make is this: he hadn't broken any oaths (even if he was heading down the road to do so) and was in fact trying to fulfill them when the bond snapped. Maybe somebody can eventually ask for a WoB on if Syl was a deadeye for the time that the bond was not functional with Kaladin (or even just ask if Kal's situation was like a normal Radiant breaking Oaths and killing their spren).

Good points all around, and something to consider. I'm not sure that what happened in TWoK was "truths" being accepted as oaths, since the words were not "accepted." But, that also comes down to how, and by whom, words must be accepted. It seems to vary, probably by order. We do know that: - Bondsmiths: the words are accepted by the Bondsmith's "spren" since Stormfather accepted Dalinar's words and the Sibling accepted Navani's. - Willshapers: Unclear, as Stormfather accepted Eshonai's first Oath, but a "famalen voice" (possibly Cultivation/Nightwatcher) rejected Venli's second Oath the first time, then accepted it later in RoW. - Edgedancer: It's unclear in the Interlude if Lift is just remembering her second Oath, or if that actually when she said it. Same with Edgedancer, where she "said the words in her heart" - so neither time do we hear the words accepted; but this could also be because Lift is such a special case. It also seems that the "voice" accepting the words can only be heard by the Knight saying them. - Windrunners: It seems Stormfather must accept the words. (Though maybe he has taken over this duty from Honor) - Kaladin hears his third oath be accepted, but in TWoKs we see the words accepted by Stormfather (as indicated by the crack of thunder) through Teft's viepoint and he did not hear the "voice" (TWoK Ch 67) - In Dawnshard, Lopen sees Huio's third Oath be accepted, but also does not hear the "Voice," but from Lopen's viewpoint he does hear the voice when his Second and Third Oaths are accepted. So, it comes down to Lightweavers - AFAIK the words were not "accepted" in any scene; unless in TWoK Ch 45, when Shallan hears "This is true" is an indication that only the Spren has to accept the "Oath" from a Lightweaver. this seems in line with Skybreakers: - When Szeth swears his third Oath (OB Ch 121), snow crystalized in the air and he felt acceptance (possibly from the HighSpren), but didn't hear a "Voice."

I think you are missing one fundamental difference between the situation with Kaladin/Syl and Shallan/Testament. Kal wasn't a windrunner of the thrid oath. . . A deadeye is the CR fragment of a spren whose oath is broken and whose form is still a shardblade on the physical realm. Shallan still has the blade bonded, though her oaths were broken and Testamant became a deadeye. Syl mearly regressed to earlier levels of memory/intellect (first acting as she had when Kal only had the first oath, then acting as she had when he was in the slaver carts, before the first oath) until she finally could not remain in the physical realm at all. Otherwise, how would she have had the presense of mind to argue with Stormfather when Kal tries to redeem his oaths (but before they are restored). So, Testament is a deadeye because the oaths were broken after the Third Oath and was already a shardblade. Thier bond was already too stong to survive the separation. Syl was never a deadeye, likely because of a combination of how "slowly" their bond was strained and the fact that kal was not yet third oath and so her form could not be trapped in the physical as a Shardblade.

Where did you get this? The only reference I know of crossing Nightblood and Hemalurgy is: Keep in mind that we don't truely know what aspects of Nightblood's awakening were a "feature" and which were a "side effect." Vivena's awakened rope is easily cut by Denth and rendered harmless (two pieces too small to "grab when thrown"). I would guess that the resilience (and soul severing) is part of the amount of breath used in awakening a Type 4 Sentient entity - so even if you used materials other than metel/stone; you would still probably need to be 9th Heightening and use a lot of breath.

Yeah, I was waffling a bit mostly because of this line: