Treamayne

Jabber (Cisco) - A variant of Skype (before it sold its soul to MS) - still in use in some business settings that aren't on the Office Train Yahoo - technically YIM (Yahoo Instant Messanger) - not sure if this is supported any more | application-based 1:1 or 1:+ chat system MSN - Microsoft Network (MS IM) - another application-based 1:1 or 1:+ chat system AIM - AOL Instant Messenger - another-other application-based 1:1 or 1:+ chat system ICQ (I Seek You) - A non-affiliated 1:1 or 1:+ chat system that leveraged the start of third party authentication (circa 1998) to allow you to add your YIM, AIM, MSN, etc. credentials and consolidate all of your chat systems in one client. @PurpurPhönix, @Argenti, @Cruciatus_heart And for those true FOGs - the original and still King. IRC (Internet Relay Chat). Pretty sure there are still some servers out there with which to connect. ****** What I would like to see: Coppermind: [text box] Application Based: [multi-line textbox] - user labelled Web Based: [multi-line textbox] - user labelled Website URL (Blog, Channel, etc.): [multi-line textbox] - user labelled Why define specifics when it results in so many empty fields? Cause it's a [specific nation]'s PII collection interface that steals almost as much personal data as Amazon and Google?

My inderstanding is not that it "had enough power to create cognitive shadows;" - rather - it needed power to start operations and wiped the whole population at once to get access to investiture. Like Nightblood leaking smoke because he is super-saturated, the side effect of releasing all of that investiture at once without a Command to control the outcome just resulted in the shroud. The result of the shroud's formation at the moment when everybody died was that the loose investiture saturated thier cognitive aspects before they could move to the Beyond. Since the Shroud was Connected to the Father Machine, and the people were Connected to the Shroud - Father Machine found that it could exert some measure of control over the form(s) those trapped souls were allowed to take (and when Father Machine's control weakened, they made their own Nightmare bodies and went Hunting for their "true" form - humanity). Compare to how Inquisitors regained some measure of control when Ruin's attention was elsewhere or when their emotions were strong enough to "blot out" his control. Hope that helps.

From the Coppermind: From what source do you get that? Cognitive Shadows do not necessaily require a Splinter (that's more of a Returned thing with Divine Breath) - you just need enough investiture to imprint (e.g. Kelsier did not bond a splinter - just touching the investiture at the well was enough to keep him "Preserved"). On Torio, there was so much investiture released when Father Machine activated that many souls were trapped in the Shroud. Possibly similar to the process that makes Threnodite Shades.

Here-here Yes, Linux/Unix (etc) were always the kings of customization, but even in Windows (especially XP and earlier) if you knew where to find the settings you could change a lot (e.g. icon spacing for the desktop was just in display settings rather than an obscure registry entry with unintuitive values). But what I was really driving toward, for example, is a new feature with A or B, where you cannot choose which is default. For example: File Options still lets you choose default view (This PC, Home, etc.) but for-no-reason-what-so-ever the new start menu does not let you choose to set "all apps" as the default view? It's not so much change itself that I find to be the problem, it's the steady drive toward (not just windows) defining my experience instead of letting me define my experience. New Toolbar - whatever. Take away the choice of docking it to the top, left or right - problem. I don't hate change nearly as much as I hate the theft of choice. If that makes sense to anybody but me. . .

Roshar, Scadrial Spoilers

I have not seen any WoB's addressing this, but it has certainly been discussed in a few threads here-and-there. For example: Also note that Connection can manifest an Effect before the Cause (because time and space do not exist in the Spiritual Realm. WoB:

Absolutely post theories. That's why the community comes together to discuss and share data. Also, if you want to do some additional research on your own, this may help: I can't speak for @alder24, but when I only have a few minutes to kill (not enough to start something big, but bored enough to read for a few minutes) I'll select a random keyword on arcanum and read WoBs until a new one catches my eye and I switch to that keyword (or search within the keyword for more wobs on the same topic). - Recent Example: reading about #White Sand (since I am re-reading it via the Omnibus), I found a WoB tagged with #worldhoppers and so searched #White Sand-keyword Worldhopper (2 results) and #Worldhoppers-keyword White Sand (6 results) Out of curiosity, have you read or listened to any of the versions of White Sand? (If not, this thread may help)

Probably this one: But it's all paraphrase and when he has previously used "very interesting direction" (or similar) it has usually meant something like "part is close, part is off." Examples:

The bolded part is theory, not confirmed (unless you have a source). We do not know that. Khriss speculated in Threnody Essay that they were Cognitive Shadows that received the extra investiture necessary to become a Cognitive Shadow because of ambient investiture on the planet in the wake of the fight with Ambition, Odium and Mercy (and Ambition did not die there - she died elsewhere) So, the only really confirmed thing is that the Shades are some type of Cognitive Shadow and that a non-Shade Cognitive Shadow that arrives at Threnody would not become a Shade themselves. Exactly why and how it happens is still (informed) speculation.

Oh, I wasn't saying that Gould started the idea by any means (and the people under discussion from this book are not really time hopping nor police - but that is beside the point):

Correct. Please see some of these threads for further discussion on this topic: The Nightblood Machine Yumi Parallels Why the Machine works on humans Arcana Counterparts etc. The Forum search is fairly robust: Click on the magnifying glass (Menu Bar - right side) Type the search word If you want to limit the search (such as Yumi Spoiler section): Click Topics Click on one or more Forums Add other filters as appropriate Click Search

You probably mean the same story - (spoilers in case somebody does want to read it) The story bears a striking resemblance to elements from Sanderson's planned Apocalypse Guard book (just 20 years earlier - since it released in 1996)

I do not, but there were also other complications with my order that may be a factor.

Does not compute. A Traditional Spren Fabrial requires a gem housing to provide the Stormlight to power the device. The Dagger requires a gem to received the drained stormlight. 2 does not "rule out" 1 (as far as I can tell) - especially if it is specifically a Voidspren fabrial, and therefore has some fundamental differences from HonoVation Spren Fabrials. I concede that your conclusions are likely - but I cannot see how this is more than an assumption based on incomplete evidence. Sorry.

Which does not preclude the Dagger from being a Voidspren Fabrial in the traditional method, using a Raysium inlay. It's not so much that I think you and the Coppermind are wrong, so much as I am trying to point out that there are a lot of assumptions here that we have not yet actually confirmed. But I also have not had the time to do a deep dive on WoBs for the subject (especially since so many have happened after the Kickstarter, and I avoid WoBs from any "events" that may contain SA5 or SP4 spoilers)

Seven months late? The Omnibus has not yet been available that long. Are they perhaps confusing a Pre-order with an Order? The Omnibus went on sale on the Dynamite Website (exclusive) in January, for shipping in February (ebook available for download immediately). The Trade Paperback Omnibus is the only one shipping so far as I know. At least, I pre-ordered the Hardcover at the same time, and that has not yet shipped. I'm not sure if Amazon is actually selling these yet actually. I had heard some scammers on Amazon were posting the Volume 3 with the Omnibus cover to trick people into buying the wrong thing (though it could be another Amazon mistake, such as when they "updated" the Elantris eBook to show the 10th Anniversary cover - without actually updating the ebook to the 10th anniversary edition). I guess it's also people that ordered from Dynamite are reselling on Amazon. Or maybe the exclusive timeframe has ended and Amazon does have the actual Omnibus, but there is a delay at Dynamite.

Page 10, Glossary: The Glossary entry for the Rim Kingdoms says "Nations beyond Dayside's northwest mountains" but the map shows the mountains East of Mt. KraeDa. Ch 2, Page 74: Elorin says "Master Traiben" - should be "Mastrell Traiben" Not sure if this will count, but: Pg 206, Ch 7: Header reads "The Lord Admiral's" (no noun) when it was previously named correctly as "Helm's Rest" when Khriss tried to see the Lord Admiral (pg 185, Ch 6) Imago (or however you reference image mistakes instead): Jon Acron has at least three different versions of facial hair. The Horseshoe Mustahce seems consistent throughout. It is paired with a clean chin (Prologue,1,3,8,12,13,14), Soul Patch (3,4,5,13,14), or goatee (3,4,5,6,7,13) seemingly at random (I would say by-artist, but some artists change it on the same page - such as Ch 14 pg 383 where panels 2 and 3 have a clean chin, but panel 4 has a soul patch). While not a "typo" perse, I also noticed that one of the best features was that the thought boxes for Kenton, Ais and Khriss each had a distinctive look and color. Except that Khriss' boxes lose that distinctiveness in Part Three. No more "Day ##" tags to help keep the narative timing understandable. No More cursive based thoughts to distinguish from "carryover sentances" or change of POV. For example - Ch 14 pg 382 - N'teese's sentance box is carried over from page 381; while pg 386 has Khriss' thoughts about Acron in the exact same style instead of the style used in parts 1 and 2. The last "day" entry was Day 61 - Lonzare (ch 12): When Baon walks out.

17th Shard has a fairly robust search feature - it pays to practice with it. Star by clticking the magnifying glass search bar on the right side menu bar. For example: About 30 seconds yielded these possibles: Well, he did it Hoid's Elantrian Curse Becoming Elantrian Hoid Collecting Powers Tress Reaction Thread (Cosmere) I doubt these are all of them, as I only picked the most obvious results from the first page of the search. Keep in mind that the search bar does not seem to use standard "boolean" - instead relying on the right-side toggle "Match any" vs "match all" Click "Topics" on the left to search one or more Forums (each one you click will appear in the list above) - so getting familiar with where certain tyes of thread are allowed helps this process (e.g. no point in searching the Tress forum, as discussing the specifics of the Shaod and AonDor would already move the content to Cosmere Discussion). You can filter by tags or authors (I actually most use the Search to find my own older posts), etc. Hope that helps.

I'm not sure this is a property of Raysium, so much as the function of the Dagger Fabrial that uses Raysium. . .

Breaths are even more tied to Identity than normal - it's just the the Identity is natually rekeyed with the Command "My Life to Yours, My Breath become yours." More importantly, however, is that while Raysium conducts investiture - it does not affect the Spirit Web (which is how and why Hemalurgy transfers powers). So, if you already have the ability to access a given Light, this might be a way to take light from somebody to use yourself (but then, why not let it collect in a gem and just breathe it in from there). Since we don't fully know how Raysium works, it's entirely possible that it functions similar to how Navani describes using gems to charge other gems - moving Investiture from high concentrations to areas of low concentrations - so if you have more than the person you "stabbed" you would likely give them your investiture rather than taking theirs.

Please add [SA5] to the thread title to denote that this is a spoiler thread for unpublished material. I know you put it in the first sentance, but adding to the thread title makes it that much easier to avoid spoilers.

Well, you could try reading one of these summary of changes with/after the reread of the book: 10th Anniversary Alterations and Spoilers 10th Anniversary Additions Elantris Trivia Anniversary Edition Reaction Thread You can also see the new maps on the Coppermins at Interior Art. Those should clarify most of the changes. When/If you decide topick up the anniversary edition, you can also check out used book sellers, like ThriftBooks. I got my trade paperback edition for < 10 dollars US. Hope that helps.

If you have not yet done so, you might also want to check these blog posts: Oathbringer Timeline Roshar's Date System

Do you realize that the deleted scenes are not the only change to the 10th anniversary edition? Chunks of the Climax were changed, and the Postscript was added. Mad Prince can be found here. From the website annotations on the deleted scenes: The other deleted scenes are found here. They include the original Prologue and Alternate Ending, as well as some revised scenes in the middle of the text. Here is Brandon's post about the changes overall: I should note that neither edition has the Elantris Glossary - which has some interesting worldbuilding tidbits that never made the text. Elantris Glossary Hope that helps

I doubt there's much of a story there. The river originates in the Sunmaker Mountains (at least it's not south of them), and that origination is well inside Jah Kaved. That said, there are far more odd real-world examples of "territory" - such as the Kentucky Exclave, Azerbaijani and Armenian Exclaves (where each have part of their country entirely surrounded by the other), among others. It always just looked to me to be a bit of "realism" showing that even if a border intends to use a natural geographic feature as a national boundry, there will be exceptions because history just isn't that tidy. Oh, absolutely. I wasn't trying to suggest that his burnout was entirely caused by the Thrill (sorry if I gave that impression), but there are more and other Unmade, and we don't quite know how all of them influence emotions. I just find it interesting that he was so controlled as to chip away at heirocracy control slowly, exposing their (possible/probable) lies. Then Boom. As soon as they are defeated and the Ardent system is created a switch was flipped and he goes mad with power invading Herdaz, Jah Kahved, and Azir. Even Dalinar mentioned that if he was as great a General as his early years showed then he should have known better than to so overextend as to invade Azir without having solidified what he held. . .