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Welcome to the Forums. Be sure to let us know in your profile, or an Intro Post, what Cosmere works oyu have (or have not) read (whichever list is shorter) so that we can avoid spoilers, as necessary. Also, here are some tools and tips of which you may not yet be aware (since each forumis slightly different): From the translation aspect, normally a word like that translates into a phrase or clause (in Korean, for example, the "ju" pronoun is for <something> that is distant from both the speaker and listener - so "ju cha" would the "that car that is over there away from both of us"). I think a mono-linguistic person would not be able to describe or visualize something they did not have vocabulary for, or would have to craft similar phrases to describe that Command (for example, anachronistic comedy that has the "historic person" describing use of a car as "riding and manuevering the metal box" because they don't know the words "drive" or "car" ). I also think that if there was a word for that action, then the Command would probably fail unless the Command were known. If a polylinguist were trying to take something from a learned language and restructure into their native language, then they would have to find the closest word or phrase with a similar connotation to make it work.

I think you missed the point I was trying to make: I was not trying to imply that Kandra "thinking" is better than F-Zinc I was trying to show that it's possible that: F-Steel affects muscles > Kandra "Lobes" are part of their muscles > It's possible that Bleeder saw effects from F-Steel that a human would not experience due to this interaction

It's not about hotwiring Neural paths, it's that Kandra do not have a central nervous system at all - so their "thinking" is more like WAN distributed processing, and the "brain" moving each muscle or muscle group is actually part of that muscle/group. WoB:

If they replaced "cilantro" with KimChi, this might be like something I could find when I lived in Seoul.

Great theory. Note: This topic was skirted in RoW between Navani and Raboniel - Ch 76: It seems logical that most Ethnicities would have at least some Singer heritage over the thousands of years they have lived on Roshar - even if most don't have enough to have such obvious effects as the Herdazian nails and Unkalaki Jaw bones. Not just Hair color patterns, but Thaylen Eyebrows are more like Singer hairstrands, Babatharnam's shallow vein-patterns, etc.

The way I think of it is: F-Steel makes muscles move faster - Physical Movement, and WoB-Confirmed digestion (which uses abdominal muscles) with some Required Secondary Powers of slightly increased metal burning (WoB) and slightly increased thought (wrt reaction timing requirements - dodge the weapon but not write a Thesis thinking) F-Zinc makes neurons fire faster - Mental thought, reasoning, logic, deduction, inductive reasoning, etc with some minor Required Secondary Powers of slighty increased reaction timing (neurons controlling muscles relay instructions quicker, but the muscles do not move faster).

Is there a reason that the Title of the SP5 spoiler discussion is now a Name spoiler itself?

This reminds me of one of my favorite sections of Codex Alera:

It might be different for each order, but the people we have seen for Windrunners and Skybreakers do need to swear the first oath before they can become Squires. Specifically, Lopen and Szeth are both shown to have Sworn the first oath before becoming a Squire - and Ki specifically tells Szeth in OB Ch 90 that the first oath is required to become a Squire Skybreaker. Lopen also tells both the Windrunner hopefuls (OB Ch 46) and the wounded after the Battle of Thaylenah that you start with the first Oath to become a Squire and hope to attract a Spren. The Squires for whom we don't have confirmation are Shallan's Squires - who do not swear the first Oath on-screen before we see Vathah draw stormlight for the first time in the restaurant.

It's in the text - they fled the Fused. Since there were no Fused during the False Desolation (only Forms of Power - supplied by BAM), the Last Legion had to have left before Aharietiam when Fused were still on Roshar (References WoR I-4, RoW Ch 48).

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Fortunately, we actually get to see the difference on-screen - in the Marsh vs Sazed WoA Fight: So, you need F-Zinc to think/compute, but F-Steel will allow you to react.

You should try the omnibus instead (follow the link in that post for more information). I think, generally, "corruption" (which should probably just be called change or modify) is actually less of a thing. Because, even though Odium "corrupted" a lot when he first arrived (hoping to not invest in the system, and therefore be able to leave after doing what he came for) - everything else is already a mix of Honor and Cultivation (even Honorspren are not 100% Honor, nor are CultivationSpren 100% cultivation) - just like we saw no Red indications on Scadrial Era 1 because everything already has some Preservations and some Ruin - so even when they messed with things, it never shoed the Red of "corruption." until Trell (an Outsider) started messing with things. Now, single shardworlds, where any change by anybody else would have the tell-tale Red indications. . .

I think you have the timeline confused. Aharietiam was 4.5k years ago (the Prelude to SA in WoK - showing the Heralds leaving their swords). The False desolation was 2k years ago (which led to the Recreance). The Listeners have (likely) been separated from other Singers since before the events in the WoK Prelude. The linguistics to which that WoB Refers is picking out the "Ado" syllable, based on (Oathbringer Ch 49): Adolin = Born unto Light. We don't have references for Ba (except, maybe, Babatharnam, or possibly some Thaylen prefixes), and the closest we get to Mishram is Mishim (the Moon).

It does not have to be against anybody's will, and the investiture does not have to be unwanted. Shai's "Shaizan" stamp still leaks red smoke, and she does that to herself with her own investiture. It's any change from the normal or any outside adjustment. If, before Tanavast was killed and Honor Splintered, an OdiumSpren asked "I want to be honorable, can you help me?" and he did, it would still be "Red" because it is a change and different, but would not be against Intent to help a Spren become more Honorable. . .

Do you mean Adolin? Kaladin sees her draping the cloak, but not fighting that way. Not that it matters, I (at the time) took it to be that she was keeping it in contact with skin so that she could Awaken it, as/if needed; not that it was already serving some purpose being awkened and draped (although it could be a "Protect me" awakening, as seen in Warbreaker). Oathbringer:

Keep in mind that "corrupt" here means changes to the Spirit web from outside Investiture. So, yes, any shard can "corrupt" something from a different shard. Manifestations of Investiture can also cause corruption (that's what's happeneing with Forgery, and why a soulstamp bleeds off with red "smoke" (as mentinoed in the WoB you posted). The thing about this is, how do you define "spren?" After all, in some ways, a Seon or Skaze can be considered a Spren. But, if you mean "Spren" in the way Brandon mentions in the WoB (Related to Roshar) - then the only known Spren there that are not already associated with Honor and Cultivation are the OdiumSpren that appear Golden/Yellow (the Red/Violet ones are Honor/Cultivation spren Corrupted by Odium). So, which Spen would you think Cultivation might alter? PS: Did you ever finish White Sand? Which version were you reading?

Understood about a forum; but if, for example, General Discussion can have both htreads and subforums - why can't Spoiler Zone have both threads (SA5, SP5) and Subforums (TSM Spoiler board, TSM Cosmere Board)? Just trying to "brainstorm" options so, if needed, we have ideas upon which to fall back.

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Well, we see that Vivenna cannot sense Clod (or Jewels). Right, but is that because of Investiture or because of Sapience? Well, Riino, as an Elantrian Ire, could tell Kaladin was invested - we know he "sensed" Kaladin, but we do not know if that was also how he determined that Kal was invested, nor do we know if Riino's methods were based on BioChroma, related (same principals), or entirely different. Do you have the WoB for this half, because that's the one I said I could not find in my earlier post? Agreed that A-Bronze is "sensing" kinetic investiture rhythms, but I cannot confirm if Life Sense is any Innate Investiture, or Innate Investiture of or bonded to Sapience.

I don't know if we have an answer to this, but I have a set of Alters prepped if I ever get to a signing (unlikely) and I hope to have him sign one for me:

Unclear if it is sensing "invetiture" generally, or Breath specifically. In this WoB (annotation): It's implied that Breath is what specifically being sensed - the increase in "life" - which would imply you could sense anything "Awakened" even if it were not Awakened with BioChroma, but not just general "investiture." Granted that annotation was more about 4th Heightening, not 7th (but there do not appear to be any WoBs on Seventh Heightening, except the one where he is discussing Instinctive Awakening, and cannot remember when answering if that was sixth or seventh (it is Sixth)

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Why not in Spoiler Zone, if I may ask?

That was certainly my take, and as I recall it was the general concensus in the spoiler period, that Hoid's line there was a reference to Ishar's Experiments