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For the minutes between his death and his reaching the Beyond. He will probably be counted as Cognitive Shadow (but again this depend by the Truth if a Cognitive Shadow is actually the deadman or a deadman's copy). Yeah the definitions are right, but remember we know little about the Cognitive Shadows. For example we know a Cognitive Shadow could be created with relative low Investiture (just see the Therenody's Shades) or we know of someone who actually manage to become a Shadow when he was already dead linking to an huge source of Invesiture (kelsier). Now guys, I see the topic interest you. So I suggest to open a specific new topic about and leave this one as clean as possible for Confused's theory, there are probably already too off topic here ;-)

It is a lot tangential to this topic (so if you want to continue it, it's better to start a new one). Anyway a Cognitive Shadow happens when someone's soul is replaced by Investiture (that emulates the actual Soul)..There is a debade between the Cosmere's Scholars on how considerate a Cognitive Shadow. "Is it the actual person or a copy of him ?"...returning to our question, I think when a Sliver dies...He automatically turns into a Cognitive Shadow, but there may be Cognitive Shadows other than Slivers. Be a Sliver is only A way to be sure to become a Cognitive Shadow after your death but not the only one. You may see how others Cognitive Shadows in the Cosmere are quite stable. For example the Therenody's Shades or the Heralds.

I am sure there is already a WoB about and the answer was "no" (in the context as "Kandra are resistent to Shardblade's cut" as I remembe, maybe someone could try to find the WoB

Except there is no water involved...

(a little premise, as a not native English, my post could be read as rude, but I has not the skills to efficiently bend the words to accomodate a specific tone in the discussion) Ok I am a bit late to the party (really tiresome days for me) anyway I don't buy this model yet. The premise "Powers !=Investiture" is pure speculation (more than that because there are references to explicity problems with it) and you need a tons of exception only to make it slightly work and a couple of them are really heavy exceptions. I would start to some random counter examples that comes to my mind while reading the first post: - Mists are "in-book" and by Brandon called both Investiture and Power of Creation....This alone destroyes the separation between the two concepts. - The Perpendicularities are defined both "Investiture" and "power of creation" too. - Feruchemy is defined by Brandon as a Magic System and allows the user to manipulate the Power of Creation. (assuming we didn't found an explicit mention to Investiture=power) - We know a Splinter made by Investiture, while for your own model the Splinters has to be made of Power. Of course I am talking of Nightblood. We have also a WoB with the possibility to turn Stormlight into a Spren. - If the Power is alone in the Spiritual Realm, it have to collapse into Investiture when you push it in the others Realms. It has to turn from "Creative potential" into "Creation" (matter/energy/Investiture) in your model. (1) So the Dor can't be an exception, once in the Cognitive it is not more Power but instead Investiture (this extends itself to Honor's power and Ambition's one) (2) A Shard will run out of Power, Preservation's Power will eventually diminish from Allomancy usage...While we know the Power used will return eventually to the Shards. (3) With your model Ruin has not use for the Atium. He can't make it again Power so in the great scheme of thing he could not use it to overpower Preservation. So the whole Atium's hunt is meaningless. [The next is a fresh one born while I was writing the (3)] Your model is aganist the whole post ascension Sazed's point in HoA's ephitaps "For a god, his body and his power are the same". Translating with our own terms "For a god, his Investiture and his Power are the same". A last note that it's not stricly related to the content but to the form, I suggest you to change your terms (as I suggested too while the Theory was private) because like @Djarskublar said you confuse (pun intended) the reader and the theory becomes harder to follow. You changed the semantics of canon term and made new words to call something it had already a name....It's a mess to follow in this way, much more if the reader has not the flexibility to understand the different contexts of "your theory" and the "canon knowledge" Now not related to the theory: Actually the Returned as Cognitive Shadows will simply be unable to remain in the Physical, but they could remain almost whatever they want in the Realms (struck in the Cognitive), sure they could simply choose to reach the Beyond (I asked this to Brandon regard the whole "Cognitive Shadows" not Returned in specific) but they are not pulled by it. EDIT: Fixed some words

Correct me if I am wrong. But I think all the Odium's victims were killed and Splintered in the same way. The only differences between Selish and Rosharan cases are in the sorrounding factors. On Roshar we don't have a Dor-like phenomen just because for Roshar's nature the birth of Spren from power is really really easy and Spren act as release valve for Honor's power, this along with another living shard who could managing the situation better. This probably mean that regardless on the actual Splintering method....the outcome will be the same. Notice a Vesselless Shard if not picked could auto-Splinter itself.

Yeah, it was a pain everytime...now I remember the exact wording, and It's a much easier to find with the Search function

You can't drawn an Aon for accident...you have to want to make it (as almost every Magic in the Cosmere). Of course simply willing isn't enough to obtain any kind of effect, you have to know the right form to do it. The Form is the key part, The Aon's "forges" the Dor into the appropriate effect

Indeed we have It (or at least a sort of). The Vessels (Canon term for "shardholder" ) blindness (as Ruin and preservation with metal) isn't something strictly related to Shards. They Simply can't properly read something on metal because the metal flows fiercely in Scadrial's Cognitive Realm....Also Humans or other being there Will have trouble with It (also if probably a shard is more sensibile to It...Hard to Say). Now returning to us, both Shallan and Jasnah (the latter much more) had pow in the Cognitive and the Spren didn't seems to bright more....They have both Black Spren, a radiance (pun intended) Will be noticed. Also the Spren are for their own nature Splinter, therefore they hold a really relevant amount of investiture. If they have...They will probabily glow in every CR's sub-region (there is a Canon term but i don't remember It now), focus or not.

If you want another possible explaination (I don't remember if I write it before): This theory (with some merit but not confirmed) is about every Shardworld having a "Number" not the Shards. When Shards Invested into a Shardworld the Magic that arose from them is structured on the Shardworld's setting (Focus and Number). So in the Specific cases: - Scadiral is 16 - Roshar is 10 - Braize is 9 - Nalthis is (probably) 5 - Taldain is (extreme speculation) 2 or 8 No real clues for the others This could be of course not a perfect Idea...but the core concept is consistent with the observed's worlds The Shard of course set the way a Magic User is Initiated About the actual Magic Systems' cardinality, it is a common belief that they are simply a function of the shards investing into a shardworld.

I honestly think Slatrification works very differently from Soulcasting. The Slatrification is something as reverse Sand Mastery...you usually feed Sand with water, with enough power you could reverse the process and tap water from everywhere it ends.

If TLR and the God King are Shard's Champions is quite meaningless to me honestly. This don't tell us nothing of the Cosmere's mechanics. Elend was Vin's Champ and Marsh's was the Ruin's one....How this help to provile some deep meaning, where all the Champion need to have is simply an useness to a Shard ? About the Tenth Elevation, It stated that Vasher's wife was at least at the Ninth Elevation when she crafted Nightblood this fit all your Champion's criteria and notice also the Tenth could be not the hard limit for the Biochromatic's Tiers. Preservation (as I said in the first posts of this topic) choosed the 16 as sign to mankind, because all the other one were to dependant from cultures. While the mortal could not change somtething like the Magic Metals' number. He explicity said there are other candidates but He discharged for the too variability (melting point and something like that). If he was so compulsive to try to put "his number" everywhere....It would be his first choice. Notice also that Preservation could think to the "16" as a important number for the whole Shattering reason. This is a lame argument, If you count Roshar's magics as "30", you need to count "Scadrial's Magics as "48" (if you consider all the single power as magic systems)

@Hawkido Your point has almost no sense. The "god king" isn't nothing special at all. It's just a Returned used as Vault for Peacegiver's treasure, only because they use another manner with him this doesn't mean there is something intrisecal different between Susebron and the others. There isn't a single thing a God King could do and a Returned can't. Give birth to offspring is something every Returned could do with the right circumstances....Vo did it Multiple Healing with Divine Breath, was a false story. The powerful Biocroma is of course passed with the role, strictly speaking almost half of Susebron's Breath were of Vasher. The God King isn't let to interact with people because He is a Vault, a single knife and the Peacegiver's treasure is no more, you can't honestly base your ideas with the social rules. It's like to say that Fullborn are gods because TLR was workshipped. You have to separate "true informations" from "people's thought and cultures" Notice there are 16 Hemalurgic Metal too. So for your own logic, Ruin could be 16 and Preservation 1...just to say

The One's Above are far in the future from Shadow of Silence if Forests of Hell's time and the Evil struck something like 50-100 years before the book (three-four generations)

Maybe we think differently but Shardbearer are the worst possible opponent for a Sleepless. Their Plate doesn't not protect them for the swarm...the Cremling could easly go in the eyes fissure and kill the man inside...secondly a Shardblade is probably one of the "not too good" weapon to fight a Swarm (as any other slashing weapon)...first of all you could kill dozen of cremling...but you could do the same thing with ordinary blade. Sending a Shardbearer aganist a Sleepless mean only risk Shards and make the Sleepless a greater enemy. This in theory, in practice this is worse, because usually Shardbearer are not used to fight enemy who could survive to their attacks and could sneak in their (almost) perfect defense

I don't understand the reason for a godmetal to Need to be "overpowered" Just because is a godmetal. It may happen that a godmetal gives a weird effect but quite useless. This isn't a videogame where the powers need to be balanced or something like that

Someone (not confirmed) adds also "Five kinds of use of biochroma" the Canoninc 4 Awaken Type Entities+ Humans

But all the evidences from the book and Wobs seem to point aganist it. - To craft Nightblood nobody lost his life (losing a Divine Breath would kill a Returned) - Vasher in his own mind keeps refering to Nightblood's breath as 1000 Breaths and Vasher is familiar enough with the Divine Breath to refer to it with the right name - Nightblood is defined by Brandon as a Robot/Frankenstein Entity (I don't place the real wording to avoid Spoiler tag) and if the Divine Breath is what they used to craft Nightblood...Nightblood would be not a patchwork (frankenstein) of 1000 different Breath - Lastly, if you need a Divine Breath to craft a Nightblood like being...Vasher would not have this obsessive fear of a Mass production of Nightbloods

Yes we got a confirmation some time ago. I think Pagerunner was the one who trick Brandon into say it

I think the Wob is this:

Probably I explained my point poorly. "Variability" isn't something of honor and the Inkspren didn't like it. I read "out of Honor" like "not part of Honor/not a thing of Honor". Returning to the Lerasium, probably Ettmetal will produce halfish of his mass as Lerasium (if the outcome is lerasium), it's more than enough to create a popolation full of Allomancer...and I honestly doubt people who base their survival on the metallic arts didn't figure how to use it (notice the Southern are skilled enough to mine cadmius and Chromium...they are probably more technological advanced then the Northern

The Human variability is the "thing out of Honor"... The Inkspren don't like it because it's out of Honor

Copy-Paste of my post in the event's topic, because here is actually where it belong: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My first thoughts to the "leftover after a Ettmetal's explosion" is Atium OR Lerasium OR an alloy of (Atium/Lerasium) and Alluminium (the last one for a Theory of mine about the Spiritual Emptyness) OR Alluminium alone but: The Lerasium can't be the outcome, the Southern will have a plenty of mistborn in this case, and with the probably unbalance in Ruin/Preservation investiture is unlikely The Atium is actually the main candidate from my list, It's quite useless in the Era 2 so its revelation doesn't change the society too much, much more for the unbalance it's more likely that Ruin's Influence remain in the metal. Atium/lerasium alloy: If one of the Spiritual associations to a Shard is removed. You will stay with the other godmetal+whatever remain of the drained part (I think Alluminium but ok) Alluminium: Again this is for my Theory of the Spiritual Emptiness, but it's unlikely. If the Ettmetal lose only one of its Spiritual Associations, the result can't be a pure neutral metal ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So the most likely outcome will be Atium+Alluminium alloy

My first thoughts to the "leftover after a Ettmetal's explosion" is Atium/Lerasium/an alloy of Atium or Lerasium/Alluminium (the last one for a Theory of mine about the Spiritual Emptyness) but: The Lerasium can't be the outcome, the Southern will have a plenty of mistborn in this case, and with the probably unbalance in Ruin/Preservation investiture is unlikely The Atium is actually the main candidate from my list, It's quite useless in the Era 2 so its revelation doesn't change the society too much, much more for the unbalance it's more likely that Ruin's Influence remain in the metal. Atium/lerasium alloy: If one of the Spiritual associations to a Shard is removed. You will stay with the other godmetal+whatever remain of the drained part Alluminium: Again this is for my Theory of the Spiritual Emptiness, but it's unlikely. If the Ettmetal lose only one of its Spiritual Associations, the result can't be a pure neutral metal

1- Hard to say 2- I don't think, the magic is something encoded in your Soul, and a Lifeless is the corpse of someone. The Soul is gone. So if it is possible at all, you need to kill someone and turn it into a Lifeless soon after...this maybe allow you to make a Lifeless with his own Soul still there. But if He would be actually able to use his powers, it is not sure