Amanuensis

I really don't want to. It's such a waste of time and effort. But I don't see how he can not if he's going to continue to play this way.

To put it in perspective: On D1 he asked me for my role. I trusted him enough to give it. He refused to tell me his in return. When I pushed him on it, he threatened to get the other neutrals to vote for me. I did not budge. On N1 he asked me for any role claims I got. By this time another neutral had accidently revealed the Ringleader's identity, and he threatened to reveal both of our identities to the thread if I didn't feed him information. I did not budge. On N2 he steals from the Ringleader. Strike three of him being a jerk. Yo soy finito.

He doesn't. His win con is to just steal four metals and survive. I am so tempted to lynch him today just to make sure he can't win. This was the third strike from STINK. He has been toxic this entire game and this right here is the culmination of it and I'm honestly so upset that killing a neutral has to even be an option at this point.

I would say they assumed he was the Ringleader, but I don't see why STINK wouldn't have just told them their identity, given the fact he just confirmed for everyone in this game that he chose their side. So, so, so mad. I knew we should have lynched him D1. I knew it, I knew it, I knew it. He stole the Ringleader's vial, yes. The Thief's order comes first so he is effectively an Allomancy roleblocker. I figured it out but prayed to God he didn't. But nope. He chose to be selfish and remove one of three potential Steel vials in this game all because the Ringleader's identity was revealed to him accidently. People. Please never give your role to STINK. He doesn't care about you. He only cares about himself. Apply this to every game from here on out.

I know exactly what happened, and I am not happy. At all. @STINK EDIT: He literally might as well have spat both in mine and the villages face. I hate his neutral play so much this game and despite that I have been leaving him alone but no, he has literally forsake the last of my respect. EDIT2: To answer your question, Rand, it's not need-to-know. The answer is in the Day 2 write up:

Eh, storm it. If the elims force a neutral to block this kill I don't really care too much. randuir: Reading Good. I've talked about this guy enough. I won't say it's impossible he's evil, but I doubt it for so many different reasons, up to and including his final post yesterday. A few players have brought up how Yitzi and him kind of defended each other throughout the game, but I really don't see that, especially when you look at D1 when Yitzi voted for Rand and it took me arguing his innocence to get him to back off. It could have been a bus attempt that he gladly let get diffused by a villager so he could make me look bad later, but I find that pretty unlikely. I recommend letting Rand do his thing for a couple phases, then reevaluate him from there BrightnessRadiant: Reading Good. If Brightness turns out to be evil, well done, because I'm pretty sold on her being a villager based on tone and her approaching me on D1 asking what she could do to help save Rand. Before the Jon lynched formed, her and I were talking a lot to arrange a way to kill Yitzi instead. Knowing Yitzi was roleless, the only world I could see her being evil is if Rand was too, and that he has a powerful role. Seonid: Reading Good. His tone has felt very genuine this game and he was the 4th vote on Yitzi D1, when a Yitzi lynch didn't really have a ton of explanation. Personally I just can't see Seonid busing in that scenario. I've also talked to him in a PM since this night, and judging by his tone there, too, I feel confident in this read. Also the forum he played mafia with other than us are jerks. TheMightyLopen: Reading Good. He was the first vote on Yitzi D1, even though I expressed interest in it already. I doubt he buses. Keep him alive as long as you can since he's probably the second most experienced villager in this game right now, and a pretty good one, at that. Arinian: Leaning Good due to a sense that he's actually trying to solve the game, even if his reads haven't been the best. It's early enough in the game that mistakes are completely feasible. That being said, I'm not confident enough in this read to bet the game on it. I hope he'll continue to do what he's doing to strengthen this read and maybe destroy some evil himself some day. The Flash: Leaning Good due to genuine tone + interaction with Yitzi after is "I understand why elims are scared of Aman" slip. Unlikely that a teammate would highlight that so quickly. Arraenae: Leaning Good, but could be Evil. Rae's posts and votes this game haven't been the greatest ever, but I can tell, especially in PMs, that she's being earnest and that makes me think she's good. In particular, she ranted to me for a good dozen posts about how the neutrals were repeatedly asking if she was evil and how much it annoyed her. I can't show you her exact words, obviously, but it felt very real. Judging by her word choice and tone, her complaints sounded more of a "I'm sick of being misread" rather than "I'm sick of being suspected for dumb reasons." For that reason I'm leaning she's good, but it's not enough for me to bet the game on her alignment. Dalinar Kholin: Leaning Good, but could be Evil. I'm getting fatigued and filling this one out last. Like with Drake, I'm too lazy to go back and read his posts, but I do remember that in the group PM that Straw made with Dalinar, STINK and I, he gave me the impression he was genuinely trying to read the thread / put the pieces of the puzzle together. I noticed his post count has picked up since Yitzi's death, which could be a lower-active elim trying to get more thread presence with Yitzi gone, but I don't really think that's what's happening here. I've been wrong before and will be wrong again, so we'll see. Cloudjumper: Leaning Good, but could be Evil. I believe that Cloud has played this game sensibly so far, but there's not much content from him so far that I wouldn't make a serious bet on it. If one of Rand or Aster is evil, it's possible his vote D2 on Crimsn was a half-hearted attempt to diffuse a wagon. However, I can see the things he's said and done from a villager's perspective. To everyone reading this, please try to encourage Cloud to participate more in future conversations, if he does not take the initiative on his own. Crimsn-Wolf: Leaning Good, but could be Evil. I really like Crimsn's tone this game and like with Arinian I feel like she's actually trying to play. Her vote placement hasn't been the greatest, but considering it's only been two days and only 1 player had died until tonight, I can't really blame her. I wouldn't bet this game on her being a villager, but I would probably leave her alone until mid-game, unless she stops producing content. In that case, poke and prod as much as you can. _Stick_: Could be Good, could be Evil. I'm honestly not leaning any specific way for Stick. I've seen things I've liked. I've seen thinks I didn't like. Mostly her tone and thought progression is nice, with her votes being... well, not so much nice. So yeah. asterion137: Leaning Evil, but could be Good. Originally the Ringleader and I wanted to shoot Aster tonight, but I saw he died in the QF and figured maybe that would help him become more active in this game. I talked a lot about Aster yesterday, and the only thing that's notable since then is how it feels like he's kind of given up, thinking he may die either way. I do not want that to be his mindset. I want to see him fight for his life, regardless of his alignment. Rather than instantly decide to lynch him, please make him form reads of other players and dissect them for genuine thought. Try to be reasonable, because even if he fits the profile of a Yitzi teammate pretty well based on D2 interactions alone, villagers sometimes do this (see Frederikam's D2 in my Championship Qualifier). If Straw is evil, I think there's a fairly good chance he isn't, due to his vote D1, although I wouldn't rule it out entirely, just revisit him in a later phase. Straw: Leaning Evil due to Yitzi's indirect defense of him ("But aren't PMs good for village"), Yitzi choosing the Randwagon over Straw's, as well as both of them voting together on multiple occasions (Rand and Aster). After some discussion, the Ringleader and I have come to the agreement to kill Straw tonight, as no matter what alignment he is, Straw's activity has dropped off significantly since D1 + it will help clarify our picture of the events on that day. Knowing Straw's alignment can help us figure out the motives of those who voted for him and those who didn't, including Aster, who I still believe has a chance of being good. StrikerEZ: Leaning Evil, but could be Good. Like Aster, I think Striker fits a Yitzi-teammate profile decently well. It's possible that all three of them are evil, but try not to make any assumptions on that after discovering the other's alignments. Make him participate more, especially on players who are not already up for the lynch or universally read as good. Drake Marshall: Leaning Evil, but could be Good. I honestly can't remember anything Drake has done this game, which makes me think back to the last time I played a game with him where he was bad (Sheep/Doc's spy game, I believe). I would never describe Drake as an unremarkable villager, so I want to say he's evil here, but since I can't remember anything he's said and done and that I'm honestly too lazy and tired to check right now, I'm just going to trust my gut. I wouldn't say lynch him tomorrow but definitely consider him an option to push for reads and information. Elbereth: Completely Inactive. I have basically no read from her posts this game because they were all pretty NAI for El, which to be frank, is her norm. I don't think I've ever figured out if there is a differentiation between her good meta and evil meta. She said she's busy with real life things, so let her deal with that then help her catch up when she does return. Shqueeves: Completely Inactive. Give him time to return to the game and help him understand everything that has transpired so far. Do not express suspicious of him due to his low-activity alone, please. For a newer player it's not alignment indicative. Instead, please try to help him out as best as you can, but at the same time make sure that he forms his own thoughts and opinions, that way you can see if they genuinely match up with the perspective of a villager or eliminator. Ecthelion III: Completely Inactive. I can't remember a single post by him, except for the "I won't vote since I am not caught up" one. Treat him the same as the other players with gray reads. Paranoid King: Mostly Inactive. I haven't seen enough content from him to make any serious judgments, which means there is a decent chance he is evil. While his early vote on Yitzi does look good, I hesitate to read much from it since there wasn't much evidence at the time of Yitzi actually dying. My advice with PK is, like with the previous three players, everyone should do their best to get him interacting with and publishing reads on other players. Elenion: Mostly Inactive. If Straw turns out to be evil, there's a decent chance Len could be good, although I wouldn't put busing past him. If Straw is a villager, his alignment too could go either way. Just make sure that no matter what Straw is revealed to be, people ask him for more depth about the reasoning for his vote as well as his thoughts on other players. Otherwise I cannot remember anything that helps me figure him out, so could go either way. Araris Valerian: Mostly Inactive. I feel the same about Araris that I do about Len, more or less. I do like that he put more effort into his latest post than I usually see from him, but I'd be lying if I said I've read into it enough to develop a lead. A part of the reason Straw is getting Coin'd tonight is because I want to help along the reads of those who voted for him. I hope it helps, and that Araris continues to, too. little wilson: Neutral. Don't even think of trying to kill her, it's a waste of everyone's time. That being said, asking her for some thoughts and advice could be useful, but don't ever expect her to actually answer and threaten her if she doesn't. Neutrals are neutral for a reason. OrlokTsubodai: Neutral. His life is tied to Joe's and the game's only lurcher, so killing him helps no one and hurts everybody simultaneously. Please just leave him be for the rest of the game. STINK: Neutral. I know he's frustrating to deal with, but just leave him be and find the elims. A Joe in the Bush: Neutral. Leave him alone to do his thing. The end. Going to bed. Goodnight. And good luck village.

I have my final thoughts typed and ready to post, but it includes who the Ringleader is killing tonight, so I kind of want to hold off from posting it. That being said, I'm tired as heck and want to sleep. I'll see how long I can stay up.

I wouldn't like, hard clear Arin for it. Especially since D2 he decided to vote for Lopen over Yitzi, which means he took the wrong side of the polarity (Lopen tried to kill Yitzi D1). So, it could be that Arin was expressing suspicion of a teammate because several other people were, but also trying to deflect our attention to someone who is soft confirmed town, imo. But it could also be that Arin was genuinely suspicious of Lopen. I was trying to figure that out yesterday when I was constantly prodding Arin about those reads. I haven't gone back and analyzed it quite yet to see how Arin's thought progressions look as well as his tone, but I think it'll be pretty telling. Or, at least, as telling as things can get this early in the game, which isn't too much.

Ah right. I recall the post you're referring to now. Long one that mostly talked about Lopen, but then Yitzi at the end?

I'm curious why Arinian is probably village with this reveal. Can you explain your thoughts about that? As for STINK, eh. Not worth a lynch or a Coin. I'm content to let all the neutrals do whatever they want. They win no matter what side they're on. But as long as we kill the Infiltrators, that side will have to be ours.

I guess I should make one of these too. Eh, I got 10 hours. Going to be lazy for now

What are your thoughts now after the reveal? We almost had him the first day, but people wanted to lynch other people more. Wonder if there's anything that can be learned looking back at those votes... Technically my reasoning for voting Aster was entirely based on the fact he was avoiding interaction with Yitzi, who I believed was evil from a slip that I don't think I pointed out at the time, so I'm not entirely sure what I said was convincing about either. It could have been my confidence, but... I'll be dying tonight, so if I don't see you between now and then, hope your mother recovers quickly and that you have a fun Independence Day.

@STINK, did you honestly think he was village? Or did he claim evil to you and you didn't want to lose an elim contact?

I voted every wolf, and voted every player that made the top 3 (Vox for 1st, Tammy for 2nd, Mak for 3rd). Hard not to be proud of that The last year's finalists compose a jury who is choosing a total of 30 players across all 11 games to participate in 2 "wild card" games, which will be finalized today/tomorrow (Saturday) and will probably be revealed on Sunday. Check back in around then to see if I advance. Either way, I'm hoping to host a game to show them just how the 17th Shard GMs mafia

I knew it! Hah. Thanks. Calling Tammy 2nd and Vox 1st

This is normal for the voting reveals they like to troll us

But now you've drawn his attention

For anyone who cares, the votes for Top 3 in my Championship Qualifier will be starting within the next ten minutes!

I would appreciate that very much glad you're feeling better.

No good reason here. I defended him D1 because he was actually trying and I didn't want that discouraged, on top of the fact that he gets lynched early a lot and I didn't want that trend to continue if he's a villager. But Yitzi's defense of him that I pointed out on D1 is very weird, and Straw has since dropped off. That being said, if Straw isn't evil, it becomes more likely that one of the players who voted for him on D1 (Araris, Len and Rae, off the top of my head) are evil. If I had to guess it would be Len, but Araris is always impossible to read.

That's a big relief. I had a few doubts about Yitzi on D1 but it solidified into a tunnel with that elim comment during the night. Hopefully me not reacting to that how I wanted to at the time allowed us to get some useful information from him during the first half of the second day. Off the top of my head, Straw is a potential ally due to Yitzi's soft defense of him D1, Stick is a potential ally due to her coming in and saying she'd vote Randuir of the 3 before Jon became a candidate, and Asterion is a potential ally for how long he waited to talk / vote about him. Looking forward to seeing what other theories people wrangle up.

That's awesome! I didn't know you'd be visiting the US! Have fun you two!

Huh. Yeah, one thing I can't stand is a lack of civility. I wouldn't take anything they said to heart. Different communities play these games differently. I'd be lying if I didn't say I was curious which forum this was, though. I mean, there's still a chance Yitzi is village. I feel like his post during the previous night turn about understanding why eliminators are afraid of me was a huge slip. I can't really see that train of thought ever crossing the mind of a villager. Then he had a really weird post a couple messages later that basically become a IKYK tangent... it was at that point I was confident my initial read of him D1 was accurate. If Yitzi is evil, we can discuss coinshoting Aster in the night thread. The problem is, I expect the eliminators to threaten the Pauper/Convict/Child with death if they don't protect him, assuming he really is evil. So doing that probably won't work. Thing is, I really don't want us to just lock in onto lynching Aster tomorrow. If I had to give percentages to his alignment, I would rate him at a 65% chance of being evil. I'll leave another list of players who I think should be the focus of discussion, and hope that another player can take the mantle of pushing everyone to provide their opinions. Regardless, someone will have to be shot, since the Ringleader cannot hold more than 1 charge at a time and there's no way the eliminators won't attack me tonight / force the Thief's Child not to protect me. But to be honest, I'm perfectly okay with that. I used to get upset over the whole dying thing, but I've recently accepted that it's just my role in these games to make sure they start off as strong as possible and soak up an early kill. I genuinely hope I'm on the right track here so that my public role claim wasn't for absolutely nothing.

Pretty sure nobody is? I've even asked people to reevaluate things themselves.

There was a lot of very good players so I won't get my hopes up. I am volunteering to host a game, though. Will use a Sanderson setting, obviously