Amanuensis
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Oh, that! I think I didn't consider it because I'm just straight up convinced Archer is an elim anyway. ED1T: Like, at the start, I believed Archer because a Medium role with delayed or limited flips makes sense. Except none of the role limitations he's claimed since make any sense to me unless he had a role like Reviver, which he's conveniently not commented on. That plus the insane amount of role claims we have since gotten makes his look so incredibly weak in comparison. Especially with no apparent redundancy. And TBH, at this point, I think the elims are deliberately using the nature of a Blackout game to confuse and mislead us. Hence the abnormalities with Archer's claim and Devo's claim both.
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I reserve the right to blame TJ.
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I admit I'm too dumb to pick up on subtlety tbh though yeah, feel you on the PM front. I'm pretty sure you and I account for a large percentage of this game's posts.
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Where I'm at today. Exe Archer, see if Tani is able to kill Thaid. If Tani's Thaid kill fails, exe Devotary tomorrow. If it succeeds and there's a second kill that Devo claims / a NK, we reevaluate. After that, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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RIP Allomantic Symbols (images load if you put the link, not by copy/pasting the image, in case that's what happened). Also I think you forgot to color your Stick vote
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Basically why I'm having problems believing it too. Like, my thought process essentially boils down to, we still have no dang idea why we're not getting Alignment flips. If there was a role in the game that could reveal them via targeting, it'd already have happened. If there's a single role we need to kill to stop it, that's like shooting fish in a barrel. And an insanely difficult climb for the Village to make, which is another reason I don't think this is a conversion game. But what Devo's claim does is lends credence to there being Elim Epics, which we just don't know. So combined with the fact there's no alignment flip, it seems to me the catch of this game is we're looking for roles. And what's a better Blackout troll then giving Reckoner Allies the Epics and Corrupted Epics non-Epic roles? So that when people flip with no alignment, we still know. ED1T: Honestly, I would bet money on you not killing anyone, thus proving it's a faction kill and not a role kill. Good choice btw!
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So Orlok confirmed Araris targeted me, and that I did nothing, so that's cool I guess. Araris could still be Village, though I still do not understand where this one-time-use item is coming from. I'm not sure if I'll be able to trust Araris or Archer until the source of the items reveals themselves. Since you're here @Tani , do you mind submitting your kill on Thaidakar the Ghostblood, since he's apparently been scanned non-Village?
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You're not kidding aha. Also welcome back Steel!
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I... could honestly buy that kekw. Still want to know where the heck that Soother item came from. ED1T: InB4 someone did try to convert me and Araris did get converted >>
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Found some relevant posts. Please give them a look since I think you'll have better judgment atm. Things I noticed: Fake role claim that fell apart under closer scrutiny Bargaining to be kept alive longer via proving their role Things I'm not sure I can notice due to current emotional state: Devotary's tone Bonus thing I noticed for irony's sake: I suspected Devotary to be a Conversion role (which she was) and I insisted on exeing her to save us future headaches. ED1T: Honestly hate bringing past games up / player meta up as a reason to vote someone, so that's big part of why I really don't want to make a decision based on this info + upset Devo more. But alls fair in love and war, yeah? Devo, I hope you don't perceive my "wanting to kill you since D1" as a personal thing. I'm just trying to be the best Villager I can, ya'know
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I'll reread the game where I caught E!Devo too to see.
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Because they assumed it would be guaranteed to go through, even if Mat died to the exe? That's not a standard mechanic for any SE game in my memory, and the possibility of it being an OoA error was only brought up C2, yeah? Also that as you said, Araris is known for putting the kills in himself, which makes him a ripe target for Roleblocks, Lookouts, etc. And again, because Devo is on the team, her kill on Stick last night would be the elim kill.
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This assumes that Mat put in the D1 kill because his role was useless until an Epic was dead, while Araris used his WiMP role D1 (meaning he couldn't submit the kill).
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You know what? New theory based on an old theory. @Kasimir Other than Vexcave, there are no other Corrupted Epics. The rest are either "Minions" as Devotary put it D1 or more likely, non-Epic roles like Mat's - which means yes, we were right about Mat D1. An elim-team with no other Epic but Vexcave would naturally deduce there are Village Epics (especially because of Mat's role), leading to Archer's claim. They would likewise claim Epics themselves to disguise their own roles flavor pointing to their alignment. In this scenario, Karn is Village and some people came out of the woodwork to vote for him because Devotary is Vexcave. My natural response to the 'I'm angry' vibes comes from me assuming Devotary wouldn't deliberately weaponize emotion to save herself. But it's possible that she was upset for the same reason I was in AG8 - getting caught for things beyond their control, or more specifically for her, getting PoE exed on D2 - and that it wasn't an intentional thing she wrote into her posts. Just a natural reaction. The reason I'm considering this is because what's the point of a Village Knighthawk Scientist if there's a ton of Epics, very few Regulars, and a single action per cycle??? The items degrade if not used immediately so any Epic that got an item would need to neglect their own role to actually use it, which seems completely bonkers given the huge amount of info roles we've since learned about. So what's this mean for the team? Mat, Devo, Archer, Araris, maybe Thaid bus for cred. Why Araris? I have a lot of trouble understanding why he'd risk getting NK'd himself to effectively protect me. There were a dozen better options to use his role on given my insane amount of activity. We also know a Soother has been active, and since no one has claimed it yet, they are more likely an elim. So the whole "I got a Soothing item" could easily be proven by the elim Soother. It also reinforces Archer's alignment-scan-item claim in turn. Am I heckin crazy? Kas, bro. Please tell me I'm crazy. ED1T: This team comp assumes that Mat did indeed put the kill in D1 and got OOA'd by the exe. ED2T: Further evidence is lack of flips. If we don't get told colors, then what else would give away people's alignments? How about all Epics being Village and all Non-Epic roles being Elim? This assumes that Vexcave is not a role, however, and just how the game works, until the very end, and Archer's claim about alignments flipping eventually was only to give us hope. ED3T: + Araris mistakenly claiming non-Epic when he should have lied and said Epic from the start. ED4T: Everyone else at D2 EoD claimed a role and have nearly all verified it. At this point I don't even think it's a Janitor target role anyway. Too much risk given all the chaos. More likely it's a passive thing from a Vexcave role or that it's just never going to change.
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I'm confused by the mention of Illwei in this bullet point. Did you mean Devo? Why did you mix them up? Hello tunnel, my old frienddd. I've come to talk with you againnn. Considering we've been told that players cannot submit more than one action ("under most circumstances") and the fact you haven't mentioned your results from talking with Mat, I take it you didn't. So why bother making a show of @ing him in thread? Honestly, not wholly. But I also have lost any motivation to push her because of two posts she's made that give me big 'I'm angry' vibes, and frankly don't want to be a part of it anymore. The reason I put my vote on Karn at the end of the D2 chaos was to see if two kills would happen. The fact that a second didn't leads me to believe that it's the same kill and it was her last-ditch effort to stay alive. The alternative is the elims are deliberately neglecting their kill to make us waste time, but that would imply a team with a high risk appetite + D2 EoD presence to witness Devotary's role claim. TBH I'm kinda done wondering if it's a conversion game at this point. Also not entertaining anything like an arsonist. The game rules clearly state "informed minority" and "one faction kill per cycle" which can still work for a conversion game, but that just points back to Devo. C1 she converts someone. C2 she converts someone else and the first convert submits the kill to verify her claim. But again, the 'I'm angry' vibes = me not wanting to push her anymore if she's honest, and I respect Devo enough to assume she wouldn't do that as an elim just to buy time. So where's that leave me? Standard game, starting team of Corrupted Epics. I'm more confident in E!Karn than E!Mat, though both could still work. I have trouble reconciling his info vote on Archer with him being an Epic. Archer claimed a role from the start that offered information and warned us that we'd be denied information from flips. Only an elim would want to deny the village long-term information, though it's possible he just didn't think about the repercussions. I say more confident because there's still a chance he was Village, which I'm willing to believe, but I could see him being E/E with Archer too and using that vote for distancing, as he would be aware of Archer's plan from the get-go. I really want to hear about @StrikerEZ's win con. If we are going to work with him, we need all his cards on the table. The reason I want to know is because it might help us infer whether or not Devo's being honest about hers. ED1T: Honestly, I'd rather you shoot Thaid. Don't think a Thaid exe is a productive use of our time given he's apparently been "Seeked." Whether or not Archer is busing or wasting the Village's time more or honest, it has to be resolved. ED2T: Oh, and if there's an elim targeted Janitor esque role that hides alignments, it's 100% STINK. But that's assuming the elims don't have a role that generally hides alignments until their own death. Maybe a team of Karn/Archer/STINK/???. Still want to V lean STINK for his unsolicited Mat ISO, but if there's a Janitor, it's absolutely him based on EoD activity. ED3T: Okay so, E!Archer world. He probably doesn't have the generally-hiding-alignments role (Vexcave) if that's what's going on. The fact he referred to himself as an over-glorified vanilla is probably honest. He likely made the reveal so that in the event he was killed, we'd still be lost and the elims lose almost nothing, versus the actual alignment hider outing themself. Still think he needs to die today regardless. ED4T: @Archer Benefit of the doubt. I take it you did not start with the one-use-scan item, but received it D2? Meaning someone would have gifted it to you with their D1 action like Araris is suggesting from the one-use-Soother gift? If so, whoever is gifting items should claim to verify Archer/Araris' honesty.
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I guess I have more faith in you than I do in myself, and vice versa It's fair if the game isn't what you signed up for and you want an out. I wouldn't blame you. But I think you're a more valuable asset to the Village than you give yourself credit for, regardless of your role. Certainly more than me, at least. I've been lost since D2 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ED1T: @Kasimir oh right, question. Personally I would consider that Conversion games are exotic. Has TJ clarified that it's a possibility, then? ED2T: Also does no one else find it weird that there are so few Regulars??? Even if every person that hasn't claimed is a Regular, that's still a 14:7 ratio.
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How do you think I feel? At least you got a fancy Riot
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Since I've no opinion of Araris yet and I have doubts for V!Archer currently, why these reads?
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Just confirming, since it appears to be the implication; you are not a Neutral yourself, yes? Are there any Village Epics willing to claim multiple facets to their roles?
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Alright, thanks for wasting my time <3
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Indeed But why no answer?
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Good work! Hope you can do the same in this game. Though it'd be helpful if you answered the question you know I asked Who did you redirect C1?
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Epics and their god-complexes smh. Did I miss who you redirected C1?
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Blink didn't understand why he was still here. He'd slept twice in that dark, unfeeling void only to awaken in the same place he laid his weary head, surrounded by ice and snow and these strange, murderous 'Epics.' It just didn't make sense, and though his imaginary friend assured him there was a good reason, he didn't explain enough. He never explained enough. 'Just watch and listen,' Mr. Aman had told him on the first day. 'Observe them and this world, then tell me what you learn.' Blink had been observing the best he could without giving himself away. He'd learned so much and so little at once, and it all just left him lost, scared, and confused. But that wasn't exactly new. Take, for starters, that the others could see and hear Mr. Aman too. The enigmatic, spectacled, gray-haired man with a pair of white eyes and golden pupils that shone like the blazing sun in the blue sky above. He interacted with them frequently, acting both as a voice of reason and a source of levity in this cold, unforgiving wasteland. He'd even become real, as proven by the white cloak he offered the boy, which shaped itself to fit Blink's meager stature and contained the warmth of Summer. Mr. Aman had never been able to give him gifts before. It was clear this wasn't the same Earth that Blink had been born in. The one he was from didn't have a blue sky anymore, nor a golden sun. Their sun had grown twice its size and turned a deep, bloody shade of red, like an infected blister. The sky itself had been stained black with volcanic ash, thanks to the simultaneous eruption of Yellowstone and its active brethren around the globe. And the people that gained powers in the wake of the devastation - the people like Blink - were known by an entirely different name. Reborn. There was no such thing as Reckoners either, though they were clearly the good guys. Not too unlike the heroes from his world that fought so desperately to preserve the fragmented remnants of human civilization. I just want to go home, Blink sniffled to himself. I'm too young for this. Too weak for this. Too cowardly for this. Why can't I ever find my way home? ED1T: Amanuensis. I'm kind of compelled to let myself die to see if only people with roles flip without alignment. I'd be happy to let Devotary kill me to achieve the same effect, since I'd prefer a more productive exe, but the small number of Regulars is concerning and I really don't understand why myself and TUA exist if more than half the players have roles. Otherwise, I'd want to kill Archer today. Their role has never really made sense to me due to the number of claimed limitations. I waited this long to kill him to see if we'd ever get an alignment flip, but alas, my suspicions on that front were correct. ED2T: Also who's gonna own up to giving me (Araris) a one-time-use Soother role? I'm not even sure I believe Araris, so confirmation from a third party would be stellar. ED3T: Amanuensis Regular Reckoner Illwei Claimed Epic ([Redirector]) Matrim’s Dice Non-Epic Knighthawk Scientist Experience Claimed Epic (D-coy [Lurcher]) Kasimir Claimed Epic (Inception [Rioter]) StrikerEZ Claimed Neutral Epic (Mimic [Action Doubler) The Unknown Aon Regular Reckoner Araris Valerian Claimed Epic (WiMP [Action Swapper]) Ashbringer Claimed Epic ([Fun]) Tani Claimed Epic (Robin Hood [Ability Steal]) Karnatheon Epic (Pendulum [Rioter]) Devotary of Spontaneity Claimed Neutral Non-Epic (Huntress [SK]) Archer Claimed Epic (Medium) STINK _Stick_ Claimed Epic (Passive Survival + ???) Szeth_Pancakes MintSilverTea JNV Thaidakar the Ghostblood Claimed Epic (Unknown) Orlok Tsubodai Claimed Epic (Lookout) Dannnex ED4T: @Tani when you stole Stick's ability D1, did you find out what the ability is? Or do you not know until you use it? ED5T: @_Stick_ why are you the only one with multiple facets to your role? Other than Devo, I suppose, but that's a whole different issue to address that I really don't feel like doing atm. ED6T: @StrikerEZ now might be a good time to make your win con more clear. ED7T: 1 vote lost on Karn No vote lost or gained on Devo @Kasimir's riot failed, so his vote shouldn't have canceled Wut??? ED8T: I highly recommend engaging dgaf mode. We can still try to figure this puzzle out, but no ML guilt! ED9T: Karn definitely redirected a vote from himself onto Devo, which means a Soother had to remove a vote from Devo, right? Never mind I'm dumb, that checks out, I think? ED10T: @Devotary of Spontaneity if your win con is to kill 1 Village Epic and 1 Elim Epic and the exe counts for it, did you get told Karn's alignment so you know what half of your win con you still need to do?
