Orlok Tsubodai

I've given up entirely on post by post analysis, but haven't had time to catch up C1, let alone C2 (although in the last ten minutes have confirmed covid, so now have materially more time). Would very much appreciate a summary of whatever's going on with @Devotary of Spontaneity if someone can do it in the few minutes before rollover

Can add more to the puzzle here. I’m a village epic and can follow a player to see who they targeted. I targeted Kas, and was redirected to Araris, who themselves targeted Kas.

Apologies - was meant to have excised the repeated content.

I'm not sure I'll continue the spreadsheet analysis beyond the end of D1, as it takes ~90 minutes per page of thread, but have progressed it, and will post what I have for now. Full, in a spoiler box as have posted first 102 posts already: New content: Cycle Post Player Summary Vote Retractions Thoughts AI (perceived) Notable connections One 1 TJ Writeup GM GM GM GM GM One 2 Experience Asks if PMs are open N/A N/A Trivial to check in rules. Performative? Mild evil None One 3 TJ Clarifies that PMs are closed GM GM GM GM GM One 4 Kasimir Answers Experience, says PMs default closed, but may open. N/A N/A Has read rules NAI None One 5 Ashbringer Poke vote on Matrim's Dice, no content Matrim's Dice N/A Prepared to vote early Unsure Votes on Matrim's Dice One 6 Archer Suggests wording of TJ's PM clarification makes a PM role less likely, but that they had been assuming one. Votes on Kas. RP Kasimir N/A Blackout game - interesting to assume anything. Reason for making speculation public? Vote on Kas - who has engaged. Value? Not putting pressure as not given reason, so why Kas? Ask. Very mild evil Votes on Kasimir One 7 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Asks how this works, says first game, needs to know ehther we vote each post N/A N/A Consider giving benefit of doubt. However, reading even one page of one game would give answer to this, feels very much like playing up being new Moderate evil None One 8 Kasimir RP, poke vote on Devotary. Asks TJ to get IM to give Thaidakar information on how to play. Tells Thaidakar how to vote. Devotary N/A Feels genuine re Thaidakar - might be prepared to rule out Thaidakar/Kasimir e/e. Doesn't address Archer, but nothing to address If Thaidakar evil, moderate village Helpful/genuine to Thaidakar, poke votes Devotary One 9 Experience Quotes Archer RP, thinks they've found "the krrok", votes on Archer. RPs Archer N/A Presume vote is RP related, not sure I follow. Archer not unreasonable vote given vote on Kas Likely NAI Votes on Archer One 10 Illwei Votes on Dannnex Dannnex N/A Poke vote NAI Votes on Dannnex One 11 Experience Makes bad joke about Illwei's post N/A N/A None NAI None One 12 Illwei Suggests Experience's joke is a dad joke N/A N/A None NAI None One 13 Ashbringer Answers Thaidakar about whether they have to vote in every post N/A N/A None NAI Helpful to Thaidakar One 14 Dannnex Votes on TJ, suggests it's a joke TJ N/A Has worked in some games, doesn't contribute to thread NAI None One 15 Matrim's Dice Votes on Thaidakar, says "hi", doesn't want to kill them, asks if they've read the rules/etiquette thread. Will RP, is glad that there won't be D1 distro discussion Thaidakar N/A Friendly post. Agree that distribution discussion often of limited value. NAI Friendly vote on Thaidakar One 16 Stick Multiquotes a number of posts. Agrees with Archer that PMs might come from an event. Explains how game works to Thaidakar. N/A N/A None NAI None One 17 TJ Unimpressed meme in response to Dannnex's vote GM GM GM GM GM One 18 Kasimir Makes joke in response to TJ meme N/A N/A None NAI None One 19 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Votes on Dannnex, clarifies they do not want to kill them Dannnex N/A Unsure. Could be eliminator overworrying about poke vote, or could be villager not understanding meta. Why Dannnex? Unsure Votes on Dannnex One 20 Archer Says last game e!JNV was asking questions like that (like what? Presume like one asked by Thaidakar?). Suggests non-partisan assistance the way to go. Asks if anyone else got a weirdly specific role TJ is PAFOing questions about. Asks Thaidakar what their plan is given their clarification about Dannnex N/A N/A Making role claim of game material consequence. Baiting a kill/pretending to to justify not being attacked later on? More likely latter, could equally be baiting roles investigating to discover targets? Very mild village None One 21 Stick Comments on TJ's meme N/A N/A None NAI None One 22 Matrim's Dice Asks for clarification from Archer on e!JNV N/A N/A Fair question None Less likely e!Matrim/e!Archer One 23 Kasimir Comments on Archer's thoughts on Thaidakar/JNV parallels. Questions whether Thaidakar playing up new player image, considers it currently NAI N/A N/A Agree worth acknowledging possibility. NAI Acknowledges possibility of e!Thaidakar One 24 Archer Says they didn't mean JNV but meant JungleFiend N/A N/A Verifiable NAI None One 25 Stick Quotes aArcher, notes their role claim. Also claims to have been bombarding TJ with questions, and to have recieved PAFOs in response. N/A N/A Also, therefore, claiming a role. Question whether gained any information more widely useful from questions. If claiming early possession of role, then potential target regardless - value in claiming specifics of role? Unless knows game role madness (TMI?) and therefore feels safe claiming? Mild evil Questions Archer One 26 TJ Clarifies meme GM GM GM GM GM One 27 Szeth Pancakes Explicit poke vote on StrikerEZ StrikerEZ N/A None NAI Poke votes on StrikerEZ One 28 Matrim's Dice Has asked GM question that wasn't PAFO'd. N/A N/A What was question about? NAI None One 29 Kasimir Expresses incredulity at questions being asked N/A N/A Attempting to suggest no role? NAI None One 30 Ashbringer Comments on Fog/Frog confusion N/A N/A None NAI None One 31 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Responds to Archer, says they said they didn't want to kill Dannnex when voting on them because Dannnex said the same to them N/A N/A Feels genuine, mistaken about who voted on them Mild village None One 32 Stick Says asking questions knowing they'll receive PAFOs, asking anyway N/A N/A Reinforcing roleclaim? Unsure None One 33 TJ Comments on title confusion GM GM GM GM GM One 34 Devotary RP, votes on Ashbringer for RP reasons Ashbringer N/A Reasonable poke vote target NAI Poke/RP vote on Ashbringer One 35 Kasimir Makes comments on title puns N/A N/A None NAI None One 36 Tani Questions TJ about his meme N/A N/A None NAI None One 37 Dannnex Tells Thaidakar it was Matrim's Dice who voted on them N/A N/A None NAI None One 38 Matrim's Dice Corrects Thaidakar about having voted on them. Suggests Szeth's poke vote might be a Szeth elim tell, but could just be normal behaviour N/A N/A Gut dislike of equivocation on Szeth Very mild evil None One 39 Kasimir Quotes Matrim's Dice about Szeth, retracts on Devotary, votes on Matrim. Matrim's Dice Devotary If vote is from quote, understandable Very mild good Votes on Matrim's Dice One 40 Illwei Doesn't believe Thaidakar e/e with Dannnex or Matrim's Dice. Thinks Matrim probably village for not voting on Szeth N/A N/A I disliked the equivocation on Szeth, but can see how it could be seen as uncertain villager. Agree re Thaidakar. Attempt to solve game Mild good Matrim more likely village One 41 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Apologises for getting Matrim and Dannnex confused, says their head exploded from amount they're keeping track of N/A N/A Not sure too much to keep track of at this point? Mild evil None One 42 Matrim's Dice RP. Replies to Kasimir about a "shuffle squat" N/A N/A Unsure what they're referring to NAI None One 43 Kasimir Questions Matrim about his Szeth equivocation N/A N/A Agree worth probing Unsure Interrogating Matrim One 44 Archer Quotes Devotary's RP, asks them whether they're claiming not to be an epic. Says Matrim's take is interesting N/A N/A Reinforces claim to be an Epic. Question why insistent on role claiming Unsure None One 45 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Votes on Archer Archer Dannnex Archer definitely up to something, unsure whether villager gambit or elim. Absence of justification makes me suspect less likely elim jumping on this Moderate village Votes on Archer One 46 Matrim's Dice Meant that they thought Szeth's poke vote was just something Szeth does. Asks Thaidakar why they voted on Archer N/A N/A Unclear therefore why they posted it Mild evil None One 47 Devotary Responds to Archer, says that Reckoners are famously not Epics. N/A N/A Not a village aligned Epic, isn't aware of them Very marginally more likely evil None One 48 Tani Votes on TJ TJ N/A Not useful NAI None One 49 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Says vote on Archer due to gut N/A N/A Feels good from new player - I think an elim more likely to justify themselves Mild village None One 50 Araris RP. Suggests Thaidakar be responsible with vote placing. Assists Kas with "shuffle thing" votes on Mat Matrim's Dice N/A Equally, voting gives more information to consider. What is meant by shuffle thing? Unsure Votes on Matrim's Dice One 51 Stick Votes on Tani, makes joke about them wanting a train on TJ Tani N/A Not a serious vote NAI Joke vote on Tani One 52 Experience Asks whether Archer has an Epic role they want to tell us about N/A N/A Archer has been hinting at a role - worth questioning it. Think questioning it is NAI. Also unaware of village aligned Epics - marginally more likely to be evil NAI Questions Archer One 53 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Reacts to Araris with alarm, says did not realise vote is tool meant to kill someone N/A N/A Respectfully, fairly basic part of game that vote to lynch. Feels like performative overreaction Moderate evil None One 54 Matrim's Dice Replies to Araris, suggests voting also a tool to gauge reactions to being voted on, takes Thaidakar's misunderstanding at face value. Says only they and Kas can shuffle. N/A N/A Agree re voting as tool for information NAI None One 55 Ashbringer Points out that Matrim has three votes on them N/A N/A Themself included as a poke vote. Why leaving vote on given build up of votes? Unsure. Not sure Matrim feels under pressure, why leave vote on? None One 56 Araris Says they can also shuffle with Kas. Asks Ashbringer who the third vote is N/A N/A Keep the flirting out of thread, gentlemen. NAI None One 57 Ashbringer Says they were first vote on Matrim N/A N/A Continued absence of justification for prolonged poke vote Very mild evil None One 58 Stick Says they were ninja'd by Araris, and missed Ashbringer's vote N/A N/A Fair enough NAI None One 59 Araris Suggests thread should put more votes on other players N/A N/A None NAI None One 60 Experience Votes on Araris Araris N/A Feels like vote purely responsive NAI None One 61 Matrim's Dice Says they've been the leading train two hours into in D1 six times, has been lynched D1 once N/A N/A Feels unconcerned by pressure, think NAI - vote lead two hours into D1 unlikely to hold as they point out NAI None One 62 Araris Insists on being voted on, isn't often voted out D1, is in LG N/A N/A Nonchalance about being voted out Probably NAI None One 63 Stick Wary of Experience and Thaidakar, attributes it to gut N/A N/A Agree re both Mild village Wary of Thaidakar and Experience One 64 Experience Offers Stick a cookie to assuage their gut N/A N/A Not worried about it Very mild village None One 65 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Is also beginning to think Experience is suspicious N/A N/A Agree, want to see reasoning. Reactive to Stick's suspicion? Mild evil Suspicious of Experience One 66 Ashbringer Asks whether people mind mind games. N/A N/A Point of asking? Unsure None One 67 Experience RP N/A N/A NAI NAI None One 68 Matrim's Dice Gut village of Stick, Ashbringer, TJ. Null on Thaidakar and Araris, thinks Kas and Experience feel normal, but that that's not necessarily village, might be in Kas' case N/A N/A Would question gut takes, now seen Matrim's alignment. Known non-village See post One 69 Experience Notes Matrim included GM in village reads N/A N/A NAI NAI None One 70 Araris Matrim putting GM in village reads makes them want to leave their vote on them N/A N/A Not sure I see it as anything more than a joke Very mild evil None One 71 Ashbringer Says hello to Striker N/A N/A Presume Striker was viewing the thread NAI None One 72 Striker RP. Votes on Matrim's Dice as one of the times they vote on them early in D1 exe has to be right. Has bad gut read on them. Says will disappear for a while after post. Asks for vote count Matrim's Dice N/A Obviously (and probably deliberately) poor logic for vote on Matrim's Dice. Why ask for vote count if disappearing? Gut mild evil Votes on Matrim's Dice One 73 Tani "VC: Numbers" N/A N/A Joke NAI None One 74 TUA RP. Says they should add game comments, but don't have any. Might just RP and chill N/A N/A If not going to make comments, not contributing as village, impossible to solve. Should policy lynch at appropriate point Functionally not village None One 75 Matrim's Dice Says they're aware that TJ is the GM, and putting them as village was taking an active stance against people voting for him. Points out that Striker's logic on voting for him based on past games is flawed. Says amazing that can get village read in one game and elim read in another without changing playstyle. Says Striker objectively wrong to claim they're not talking to anyone N/A N/A Unlikely that eliminators woudl actively seek to change their playstyle. Feels slightly performative, moot point, known non village. Think Striker's point was RP only? Known non-village None One 76 Illwei Thinks Experience and Araris village. Thinks Thaidakar not e/e with Matrim, Dannnex, or Stick, Experience not e/e with Araris or Archer, Ashbringer not e/e with Striker. Leaning village on Ashbringer for poking Striker when Striker was viewing the thread, thinks NAI in reality. Suspicious of Kasimir for attempt to appear normal N/A N/A Would like to see justifications for team exclusions. Need to check notes, agree with at least some, but would be helpful to have called out what they're reliant on. Like being clear with reads. Mild village See post One 77 Archer Says they are an epic, wants to figure out if everyone is an Epic. Claims their role is that they can ask dead people questions if their alignment hasn't been confirmed. Asks if anyone is not an epic N/A N/A Bold to assume everyone an Epic from their own role. Unsure where additional information from. If role true, feels more likely village aligned than elim aligned. Odd role to make up, easily verifiable. Don't think an eliminator would know immediately that village aligned epics exist pre-D1 lynch. Moderately hard clear village? Sceptical of Devotary One 78 Illwei Tells people not to answer Archer asking if anyone isn't an Epic N/A N/A Agree generally with wisdom of not roleclaiming, dislike Illwei asserting it as wisdom - both useful to see who makes claims, and potentially claiming cred for saying village-like things Mild evil None One 79 TUA Claims to be a regular N/A N/A Don't think AI. Could be villager seeking to make themselves less of a target (not sure villagers actually should do so), or elim seeking to avoid havign to explain actions down the road NAI None One 80 Archer Votes on Illwei, as thinks they have said previously that secrecy of blackout distributions favours eliminators. Illwei Kasimir Actions consistent with stated beliefs. Feels genuine. Moderate village Votes on Illwei One 81 STINK Asks whether it's worth them reading the last four pages N/A N/A Always, but not inconsistent with historic playstyle NAI None One 82 Matrim's Dice Doesn't know how Archer could confirm no vanilla roles without access to the player list. N/A N/A Known non-village Known non-village None One 83 Striker Responds to Matrim, says not talking to anyone was RP reason for vote. Retracts from Matrim, votes on Stink STINK Matrim's Dice Why retract vote? One substantive Matrim post in interim - what in it made them retract? Stink being consistent - easy vote? Mild evil Votes on Stink One 84 Matrim's Dice Acknowledges Striker's RP N/A N/A None NAI None One 85 STINK Quotes Striker's vote, "Truly great to be back" N/A N/A None NAI None One 86 Devotary Replies to Archer, says it is their RP character who isn't an Epic. Says bold move for Archer to claim Epic in game where elim team are corrupted Epics N/A N/A Actively isn't claiming vanilla. Not sure Epic claim if elims listed as corrupted Epics is so bold - question what Devotary meant by this. Gut moderate evil Sus of Archer? One 87 Experience Elims being "corrupted" epics leads them to think there are some villager epics N/A N/A Very fair assumption. Reassess alignment indicativeness of Archer claim. Read rules in greater depth myself next game. NAI None One 88 Matrim's Dice Elims being corrupted epics not just epics, villagers being Reckoner Allies not Reckoners implies village epics, ninja'd by Experience N/A N/A Very fair assumption. Reassess alignment indicativeness of Archer claim. Read rules in greater depth myself next game. Known non-village None One 89 Striker Trivial reply to STINK N/A N/A None NAI None One 90 TUA Is claiming regular N/A N/A None new NAI None One 91 Devotary Expects a higher percentage of epics than regulars to be eliminators. Non-epics on corrupted epics team would be funny N/A N/A Possibly, but more villagers than elims, so epic not necessarily more likely to be elim than village. Don't think it justifies assessment of Archer's claim as bold Mild evil None One 92 Stick Expresses incredulity at Archer's claim, suggests they might be setting themself up for the night kill. Says we shouldn't be mass claiming N/A N/A Gut read as performative Mild evil None One 93 Ashbringer Says we need Elims to claim Reckoners, or what Devotary said N/A N/A Not quite sure I follow Unsure None One 94 Archer Isn't sure whether Devotary elim or vanilla villager. Thinks some level of claiming necessary in blackout gain to understand the game. Had initially assumed everyone was an Epic, thinks TUA's defence of Devotary so indirect it felt genuine. N/A N/A Agree re interrogation of Devotary. Why assume everyone an Epic based on their own role - feels odd. But again, odder to assume as an eliminator. Mild village Suspicious of Devotary One 95 Illwei Blackout of all information favours eliminators, but this does not mean total openness favours village. Village claims narrow NK possibilities for eliminators. Will treat further elim claims as elim. N/A N/A Very odd to say vanilla claims will be read as evil. Feels llike threat to make people not claim, as not reliable alignment-discerning tool, which Illwei must know. Plausible to want to dissuade village claims regardless of alignment Mild evil from coercion None One 96 TJ Vote count GM GM GM GM GM One 97 Ashbringer Says we should be cautious nitpicking GM PMs, and thinks doing so might be against the rules N/A N/A Not sure spirit of the rules precludes questioning GM in blackout game, if so, poorly written rule. NAI None One 98 TUA Says they may have stepped over the line of not nitpicking GM PMs N/A N/A Not sure they did NAI None One 99 STINK Thought game would have PMs N/A N/A Indirectly implying no doc to chat in? Plausibly performative Unsure None One 100 Matrim's Dice Asks whether there are neutral roles, as factions section of rules is definitive. Doesn't see a reason not to vote for Dannnex, votes for them Dannnex Thaidakar Why would GM give clarity in blackout game. Known non-village, suggests thought of themselves as neutral Known non-village None One 101 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Asks how much RP this game involves, and whether they should RP N/A N/A Can read thread and see not everyone RPing - performative? Unsure Unsure None One 102 Matrim's Dice Tells Thaidakar that RP is optional, encourages them to introduce their character N/A N/A NAI Known non-village None One 103 Archer Asks Stink if they would like a PM from a PM person. Thinks Matrim worded joke about GM to avoid suggesting being in the elim doc. Raises the question of what TJ did that makes this game blackout. Tells Thaidakar to RP if they want to, and that it normally makes up less than 20% of posted content N/A N/A Claiming PM ability? Query what they meant here. Not sure I buy wording point - feels overly uncharitable explanation. Tunnelling villager? Consider elim seeking to cement D1 safe lynch Gut mild village Tunnelling on Matrim's Dice One 104 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Thanks Archer for RP advice, says they will get better at game as they understand it more N/A N/A Trying to read charitably, remain concerned that overdoing being a new player Mild evil None One 105 Illwei Thinks Experience, Araris and Archer are village. Thinks Stick is an elim. Believes Thaidakar isn't teamed with Mat, Dannnex or Stick, Exprerience isn't e/e with Araris or Archer, and Ashbringer not e/e with Striker. Thinks Ashbringer village for prodding Striker whilst they were viewing thread. Suspicious of Kas for trying to seem normal. Thinks Stick is an elim because interacting but not providing thoughts Thinks Archer's point on Matrim comes from a village perspective. Says you can't read into Stink wanting PMs, but if STINK is evil wonders about number of elims had checked in by then N/A N/A Read Illwei as village. Agree with much of thought process re Archer, like the exclusionary connections Moderate village See post One 106 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Asks what an elim is N/A N/A Very much feels over-playign being new. Elims is a very natural shortening for Eliminators, with plenty of context, and Eliminators as evil players is very clear at top of rules doc, which they say they read. New/inexperienced does not mean has no reading comprehension Strong evil. Don't like lynching new players early, but shouldn't give them a free pass either None One 107 Dannnex Tells Thaidakar what an eliminator is N/A N/A Less likely e/e with Thaidakar NAI Less likely e/e with Thaidakar One 108 STINK Reiterates what RP is, says they'd welcome a PM, jokes about structure of Illwei's post N/A N/A None NAI None One 109 Matrim's Dice Replies to Archer's suggestion they deliberately worded post to avoid mentioning elim doc. Doesn't think liek that when elim, thinks more likely to reword as village to avoid seeming like elim. Doesn't think there has to be something that makes it mandatory that it's blackout, though there probably is N/A N/A Dislike point about self meta. Feels too defensive when point made is spurious anyway Mild evil None One 110 Illwei Retracts on Dannnex, votes on Stick Stick Dannnex Consistent with prior post NAI Votes on Stick One 111 Szeth Pancakes Going to be low activity because of life N/A N/A None NAI None One 112 Archer RP N/A N/A None NAI None One 113 Experience Asks people to PM them if they can. No new thoughts, wants to review Illwei if Stick or Dannnex flip elim N/A N/A Trying to imply Illwei/Dannnex team? Knowledge that one of Stick/Dannex evil? Very mild evil None One 114 Illwei Asks Experience why they think Illwei would vote for teammates off the bat D1 N/A N/A Distancing, but fair point to raise - is an odd singular thought to have Very mild good None One 115 Experience Doesn't think Illwei is voting for teammates, but was making a mental note based off a gut feeling N/A N/A Was making an explicit, not a mental note. Very mild evil None One 116 Matrim's Dice Reading Experience as solidly village. Disagrees with Illwei about Stick being elim N/A N/A Gut dislike post Unsure Reads Experience village, Stick not elim One 117 Illwei Asks Mat why they think Experience is solidly village N/A N/A Question worth asking Mild good None One 118 Tani Claims to be Epic called ricochet. Asks whether red highlit roles can be villagers N/A N/A Not first Epic claim, elim team now aware of villae epics. Think question about red likely misinterpretation. Question why making claim Unsure, gut village None One 119 Matrim's Dice Says thinks Experience village because of their type of post - suggests when they're an elim they avoid posting random takes and do less fluff, thinks e!Experience might be more reserved N/A N/A Gut strong dislike of bringing up own elim meta Moderate evil Thinks Experience village One 120 JNV RP, is suspicious of Thaidakar for being too clueless. Doesn't remember being that confused when new, but thinks it could happen so won't vote for them N/A N/A Agree strongly, not e/e with Thaidakar Moderate village Not e/e with Thaidakar, thinks Thaidakar acting too confused One 121 Experience Is cglad to be acting like v!Mat N/A N/A None NAI None One 122 Matrim's Dice Thought Thaidakar just didn't read the rules. Agrees you should probably know what an elim is after reading main intro page, thinks that leans into territory of assuming how someone learns. N/A N/A Agree that being charitable important, think not knowing what elim is is going too far. New does not equal unintelligent. If evil, look much more heavily at Thaidakar Mild-moderate evil Defending Thaidakar One 123 Tani RPs as Ricochet N/A N/A Is ricochet just RP character or is it a roleclaim? Unsure None One 124 Kasimir Thinks Devotary's comment on taking out epics on principle is RP reason, comments on Archer pushing on it. Thinsk Devotary/Archer exchange is odd. Thinks Experience asking Archer whether they have an Epic roles comes from village perspective that Epics = bad. Has negative gut read of Thaidakar because feels like they're playing things up. Is suspicious of Araris for inviting D1 votes. Thinks Thaidakar's suspicions of Experience feel like sheeping. Dislikes Archer's claim, but thinks it is in character for them. Is interested that Illwei defensive about voting for teammates D1 - says they did so LG78 and LG74. Votes Karnatheon because they were viewing thread Karnatheon N/A Agree re negative gut read of Thaidakar. Disagree with reads of Experience and Illwei. Gut dislike of tone which I can't put my finger on. Gut mild evil Negative gut read of Thaidakar, defence of Devotary, Experience, sus of Illwei? One 125 Experience Isn't complaining about being village read by Matrim N/A N/A None NAI None One 126 Elandera IM reminder IM IM IM IM IM One 127 Araris Thinks Matrim's reads list felt insincere N/A N/A Fair enough Mild village None One 128 Kasimir Has bad gut read on Araris and Thaidakar, won't push Araris on their gut whilst sticking to their own N/A N/A Is read on Thaidakar gut? Or downplaying it having called it out as distancing? Very mild evil Bad gut read of Araris and Thaidakar One 129 Devotary Thinks all corrupted epics will be epics, therefore the elim epic/villager epic ratio much higher than elim regular/village regular ratio. Won't clear anyone for not being an Epic, but can't see corrupted epics not having epics N/A N/A Walking back claim within same post as suggesting elims have no regulars. Moderate evil None One 130 Illwei Says question about voting D1 was specifically to Experience, who was on team with them when they bussed D1. Thinks it was an odd thing for Experience to say. Thinks people commenting on epics being bad is an elim slip from not realising epics aren't just evil N/A N/A Fair enough re Experience. Had same thought process on epics = bad - whilst I'm not sure it is an elim slip necessarily, think thought process of Illwei's comes from villager. Moderate village None One 131 Striker Retracts from Stink, votes on Illwei Illwei STINK No justification, think Illwei's points have made sense - why the vote? Mild evil Votes on Illwei One 132 Matrim's Dice Asks Kas whether they think Devotary/Archer exhancge is e/e. Says that Kas' point re Thaidakar was one made by JNV, which they agreed with. Liked how Stick was interacting with thread. Doubts they'll seriously elim read Kas because they're just too villagery. Thinks Striker is village N/A N/A Dislike strongly the village read on Kas. e/e? Reason for thinkign Striker village? Mild evil Reads Kas and Striker as village One 133 Striker Says they're indeed a villager N/A N/A Joke, NAI NAI None One 134 Ashbringer Idea about alignments lying to us got stuck in head with Archer's claim. Wonders whether villagers all epics, elims all not. Says would fall apart upon claiming. N/A N/A Think very heavily overthinking Unsure None One 135 Araris Thinks village roles all differing from elim roles does not necessarily entail game being solvable N/A N/A Fair point, particularly in backout with no roles confirmed to exist NAI None One 136 Szeth Pancakes Retracts from Striker quoting their post N/A Striker Why retract on basis of that post? Unsure None One 137 Experience Responds to Illwei, thinks they might have D1 voted teammates becuase they did that in game Experience and Illwei were e/e N/A N/A Gut read that post feels slightly off Gut mild evil None One 138 Amanuensis RP. Vote count, votes on Matrim's Dice Matrim's Dice N/A Unexplained, puts Matrim ahead of Archer Unsure Votes on Matrim's Dice, breaking tie with Archer One 139 Karnatheon Votes on Archer for claiming Epic, says whether irs alignment indicative or not would get information in blackout situation. Asks Tani whether they're also claiming an Epic or whether they were establishing RP character Archer N/A Very strongly dislike vote. Particularly with Archer's claimed role, information motivated vote does not feel justified Moderate evil Votes on Archer One 140 TJ Corrects Amanuensis' vote count GM GM GM GM GM One 141 Kasimir Replies to Devotary. Thinks even if all elims are epics, the monent we discard assumption that all villagers non-epic, we are committed to significant, non-zero number of village epics. Can see Illwei's point re Experience. Asks Striker to explain their vote on Illwei. HAs no opinion on whether Archer/Devotary exchange is e/e. Thinks reading Devotary's claim as RP is natural read of it. Thinks Thaidakar's voting inconsistent with amount of newness they claim. Stick hasn't popped out to them. Returns to village epic debate. If Archer's claim plausible, and plausible that Archer not evil, then committed to not being able to draw epic/non-Epic line in terms of roles/alignments. Finds idea intuitively compelling. Finds it too strong to assume all epics are evil, wants to know base rate of epic occurrence to make claims about whether a given Epic is more likely to be village or not. Thinks Devo/Archer/Illwei discussion, however, is hinged on wgat elims would perceive the safe thing to say is - would a villager be more likely to think that Epics are likely to be evil? Think if elims have regulars, less likely to worry about suggesting village epics. If elim team all epics, reasinable for them to be cautious about claiming village epics. Thinks elims would want to stay away from Epic claims, suggests Devotary agrees. Notes category of players who believe people who claim epics are evil are sus, puts Illwei and Archer in this category, suggests Matrim's Dice and Experience both also push back against this idea. Thinks Experience, Karnatheon, and possibly TUA believe epics are evil. Asks Ashbringer and Amanuensis their views. Has negative read on Experience for pushing Archer on their Epic claim whilst pushign back on the idea that epics are evil. Negative on Thaidakar for overly claiming newness. Negative gut on Araris. Cricket meme(?) on Archer. Positive on Devotary, rethinking. Light positive on Aman and Illwei N/A N/A If of the view that elims would want to stay away from epic claims, committed to Archer not being elim? Suggests that it is not intuitive that epics can be good. Large amount of time spent considering this. Think view on Archer inconistent with positions stated in this post Mild/moderate evil See post One 142 Ashbringer Thinks Archer's claim is bold for a lie, but that it's a long shot to bluff. Says theyd be group A (believes elims would want to stay far away from epic claims or view that epics can be good) but says epics may be good but may be not. Says Archer is on thin ice. N/A N/A Feels like miunderstood group A (or maybe I have) but to suggest claim is bold for a lie and then that Archer is on thin ice feels inconsistent Mild evil Thinsk Archer is on thin ice One 143 Kasimir Memes N/A N/A None NAI None One 144 Amanuensis Believes Archer is a village epic, not necessarily their role details. Also believes TUA is a regular villager N/A N/A Agreed on both Mild village Believes Archer and TUA are village One 145 Kasimir Says gut read on Aman due to similarities with MR38 playstyle. Thinsk unease of Araris because he's giving LG78/MR52 vibes N/A N/A Recall Kas saying in AG8 they had difficulty reading Araris - interesting to find they now feel more confident Unsure None One 146 TJ Off topic GM GM GM GM GM One 147 Amanuensis Mat has stood out to them, is preferred lynch, would be cool with Dannnex lynch N/A N/A Would like to see reasons Unsure Wants to lynch Matrim's Dice, content to lynch Dannnex One 148 Kasimir Asks Aman for reasoning of their reads N/A N/A NAI NAI None One 149 Stick If Archer is village, elims are considering his claim, so we should too. Doesn't think v!Archer would be lying. Doesn't think e!Archer would truthfully make claim of what role entails. Thinks Archer likely village. Suggests Archer might be neutral. Questions whether Thaidakar playing newbie card. Thinks something off about Experience asking players to PM them. Thinks Kas wrong to say that Experience believing epics = elims = bad comes from village perspective - thinks more likely to come from elim. Gut reads Illwei as village. Wants to give Thaidakar the benefit of the doubt but sus. Votes for Experience Experience Tani Would like to see suspicion of Experience made more explicit, believe it is due to PM post and their view that epics = elims? Check if view consistently applied. Archer neutrality to reduce value of consensus cleared villager? Unsure Votes on Experience, village reads Archer Summary: Consistent village read on Illwei, firmly believe Archer's claim much more likely to come from a villager. Gut worry about Kas, supported by concern about their inconsistency on Archer. I recall seeing on a skim of the thread that Kas later claims Village Epic, but misread his PM. I haven't got to this yet, but express a degree of incredulity about this claim. Firmly agree with much of the suspicion raised about Thaidakar.

Always a pleasure, Kas. I'm not sure how I feel about my humour being rare enough to be noteworthy... I am acutely aware of the absence of PMs, though - I'm not sure I'd appreciated how much of a crutch I found them in keeping this bearable in the AG. Delightful. Appreciate you pointing this out, though, and will re-evaluate Matrim's posts I've skipped tomorrow. I'm very much not claiming a scan, sadly. I've played 60ish games and don't believe I've ever been given one, to my ongoing disappointment.

I've apparently forgotten how to play this game without putting in more effort than I wanted to, and more than I enjoy. In the interests of looking after myself, I'll post what I've got now, and will carry on tomorrow. Cycle Post Player Summary Vote Retractions Thoughts AI (perceived) Notable connections One 1 TJ Writeup GM GM GM GM GM One 2 Experience Asks if PMs are open N/A N/A Trivial to check in rules. Performative? Mild evil None One 3 TJ Clarifies that PMs are closed GM GM GM GM GM One 4 Kasimir Answers Experience, says PMs default closed, but may open. N/A N/A Has read rules NAI None One 5 Ashbringer Poke vote on Matrim's Dice, no content Matrim's Dice N/A Prepared to vote early Unsure Votes on Matrim's Dice One 6 Archer Suggests wording of TJ's PM clarification makes a PM role less likely, but that they had been assuming one. Votes on Kas. RP Kasimir N/A Blackout game - interesting to assume anything. Reason for making speculation public? Vote on Kas - who has engaged. Value? Not putting pressure as not given reason, so why Kas? Ask. Very mild evil Votes on Kasimir One 7 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Asks how this works, says first game, needs to know ehther we vote each post N/A N/A Consider giving benefit of doubt. However, reading even one page of one game would give answer to this, feels very much like playing up being new Moderate evil None One 8 Kasimir RP, poke vote on Devotary. Asks TJ to get IM to give Thaidakar information on how to play. Tells Thaidakar how to vote. Devotary N/A Feels genuine re Thaidakar - might be prepared to rule out Thaidakar/Kasimir e/e. Doesn't address Archer, but nothing to address If Thaidakar evil, moderate village Helpful/genuine to Thaidakar, poke votes Devotary One 9 Experience Quotes Archer RP, thinks they've found "the krrok", votes on Archer. RPs Archer N/A Presume vote is RP related, not sure I follow. Archer not unreasonable vote given vote on Kas Likely NAI Votes on Archer One 10 Illwei Votes on Dannnex Dannnex N/A Poke vote NAI Votes on Dannnex One 11 Experience Makes bad joke about Illwei's post N/A N/A None NAI None One 12 Illwei Suggests Experience's joke is a dad joke N/A N/A None NAI None One 13 Ashbringer Answers Thaidakar about whether they have to vote in every post N/A N/A None NAI Helpful to Thaidakar One 14 Dannnex Votes on TJ, suggests it's a joke TJ N/A Has worked in some games, doesn't contribute to thread NAI None One 15 Matrim's Dice Votes on Thaidakar, says "hi", doesn't want to kill them, asks if they've read the rules/etiquette thread. Will RP, is glad that there won't be D1 distro discussion Thaidakar N/A Friendly post. Agree that distribution discussion often of limited value. NAI Friendly vote on Thaidakar One 16 Stick Multiquotes a number of posts. Agrees with Archer that PMs might come from an event. Explains how game works to Thaidakar. N/A N/A None NAI None One 17 TJ Unimpressed meme in response to Dannnex's vote GM GM GM GM GM One 18 Kasimir Makes joke in response to TJ meme N/A N/A None NAI None One 19 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Votes on Dannnex, clarifies they do not want to kill them Dannnex N/A Unsure. Could be eliminator overworrying about poke vote, or could be villager not understanding meta. Why Dannnex? Unsure Votes on Dannnex One 20 Archer Says last game e!JNV was asking questions like that (like what? Presume like one asked by Thaidakar?). Suggests non-partisan assistance the way to go. Asks if anyone else got a weirdly specific role TJ is PAFOing questions about. Asks Thaidakar what their plan is given their clarification about Dannnex N/A N/A Making role claim of game material consequence. Baiting a kill/pretending to to justify not being attacked later on? More likely latter, could equally be baiting roles investigating to discover targets? Very mild village None One 21 Stick Comments on TJ's meme N/A N/A None NAI None One 22 Matrim's Dice Asks for clarification from Archer on e!JNV N/A N/A Fair question None Less likely e!Matrim/e!Archer One 23 Kasimir Comments on Archer's thoughts on Thaidakar/JNV parallels. Questions whether Thaidakar playing up new player image, considers it currently NAI N/A N/A Agree worth acknowledging possibility. NAI Acknowledges possibility of e!Thaidakar One 24 Archer Says they didn't mean JNV but meant JungleFiend N/A N/A Verifiable NAI None One 25 Stick Quotes aArcher, notes their role claim. Also claims to have been bombarding TJ with questions, and to have recieved PAFOs in response. N/A N/A Also, therefore, claiming a role. Question whether gained any information more widely useful from questions. If claiming early possession of role, then potential target regardless - value in claiming specifics of role? Unless knows game role madness (TMI?) and therefore feels safe claiming? Mild evil Questions Archer One 26 TJ Clarifies meme GM GM GM GM GM One 27 Szeth Pancakes Explicit poke vote on StrikerEZ StrikerEZ N/A None NAI Poke votes on StrikerEZ One 28 Matrim's Dice Has asked GM question that wasn't PAFO'd. N/A N/A What was question about? NAI None One 29 Kasimir Expresses incredulity at questions being asked N/A N/A Attempting to suggest no role? NAI None One 30 Ashbringer Comments on Fog/Frog confusion N/A N/A None NAI None One 31 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Responds to Archer, says they said they didn't want to kill Dannnex when voting on them because Dannnex said the same to them N/A N/A Feels genuine, mistaken about who voted on them Mild village None One 32 Stick Says asking questions knowing they'll receive PAFOs, asking anyway N/A N/A Reinforcing roleclaim? Unsure None One 33 TJ Comments on title confusion GM GM GM GM GM One 34 Devotary RP, votes on Ashbringer for RP reasons Ashbringer N/A Reasonable poke vote target NAI Poke/RP vote on Ashbringer One 35 Kasimir Makes comments on title puns N/A N/A None NAI None One 36 Tani Questions TJ about his meme N/A N/A None NAI None One 37 Dannnex Tells Thaidakar it was Matrim's Dice who voted on them N/A N/A None NAI None One 38 Matrim's Dice Corrects Thaidakar about having voted on them. Suggests Szeth's poke vote might be a Szeth elim tell, but could just be normal behaviour N/A N/A Gut dislike of equivocation on Szeth Very mild evil None One 39 Kasimir Quotes Matrim's Dice about Szeth, retracts on Devotary, votes on Matrim. Matrim's Dice Devotary If vote is from quote, understandable Very mild good Votes on Matrim's Dice One 40 Illwei Doesn't believe Thaidakar e/e with Dannnex or Matrim's Dice. Thinks Matrim probably village for not voting on Szeth N/A N/A I disliked the equivocation on Szeth, but can see how it could be seen as uncertain villager. Agree re Thaidakar. Attempt to solve game Mild good Matrim more likely village One 41 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Apologises for getting Matrim and Dannnex confused, says their head exploded from amount they're keeping track of N/A N/A Not sure too much to keep track of at this point? Mild evil None One 42 Matrim's Dice RP. Replies to Kasimir about a "shuffle squat" N/A N/A Unsure what they're referring to NAI None One 43 Kasimir Questions Matrim about his Szeth equivocation N/A N/A Agree worth probing Unsure Interrogating Matrim One 44 Archer Quotes Devotary's RP, asks them whether they're claiming not to be an epic. Says Matrim's take is interesting N/A N/A Reinforces claim to be an Epic. Question why insistent on role claiming Unsure None One 45 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Votes on Archer Archer Dannnex Archer definitely up to something, unsure whether villager gambit or elim. Absence of justification makes me suspect less likely elim jumping on this Moderate village Votes on Archer One 46 Matrim's Dice Meant that they thought Szeth's poke vote was just something Szeth does. Asks Thaidakar why they voted on Archer N/A N/A Unclear therefore why they posted it Mild evil None One 47 Devotary Responds to Archer, says that Reckoners are famously not Epics. N/A N/A Not a village aligned Epic, isn't aware of them Very marginally more likely evil None One 48 Tani Votes on TJ TJ N/A Not useful NAI None One 49 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Says vote on Archer due to gut N/A N/A Feels good from new player - I think an elim more likely to justify themselves Mild village None One 50 Araris RP. Suggests Thaidakar be responsible with vote placing. Assists Kas with "shuffle thing" votes on Mat Matrim's Dice N/A Equally, voting gives more information to consider. What is meant by shuffle thing? Unsure Votes on Matrim's Dice One 51 Stick Votes on Tani, makes joke about them wanting a train on TJ Tani N/A Not a serious vote NAI Joke vote on Tani One 52 Experience Asks whether Archer has an Epic role they want to tell us about N/A N/A Archer has been hinting at a role - worth questioning it. Think questioning it is NAI. Also unaware of village aligned Epics - marginally more likely to be evil NAI Questions Archer One 53 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Reacts to Araris with alarm, says did not realise vote is tool meant to kill someone N/A N/A Respectfully, fairly basic part of game that vote to lynch. Feels like performative overreaction Moderate evil None One 54 Matrim's Dice Replies to Araris, suggests voting also a tool to gauge reactions to being voted on, takes Thaidakar's misunderstanding at face value. Says only they and Kas can shuffle. N/A N/A Agree re voting as tool for information NAI None One 55 Ashbringer Points out that Matrim has three votes on them N/A N/A Themself included as a poke vote. Why leaving vote on given build up of votes? Unsure. Not sure Matrim feels under pressure, why leave vote on? None One 56 Araris Says they can also shuffle with Kas. Asks Ashbringer who the third vote is N/A N/A Keep the flirting out of thread, gentlemen. NAI None One 57 Ashbringer Says they were first vote on Matrim N/A N/A Continued absence of justification for prolonged poke vote Very mild evil None One 58 Stick Says they were ninja'd by Araris, and missed Ashbringer's vote N/A N/A Fair enough NAI None One 59 Araris Suggests thread should put more votes on other players N/A N/A None NAI None One 60 Experience Votes on Araris Araris N/A Feels like vote purely responsive NAI None One 61 Matrim's Dice Says they've been the leading train two hours into in D1 six times, has been lynched D1 once N/A N/A Feels unconcerned by pressure, think NAI - vote lead two hours into D1 unlikely to hold as they point out NAI None One 62 Araris Insists on being voted on, isn't often voted out D1, is in LG N/A N/A Nonchalance about being voted out Probably NAI None One 63 Stick Wary of Experience and Thaidakar, attributes it to gut N/A N/A Agree re both Mild village Wary of Thaidakar and Experience One 64 Experience Offers Stick a cookie to assuage their gut N/A N/A Not worried about it Very mild village None One 65 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Is also beginning to think Experience is suspicious N/A N/A Agree, want to see reasoning. Reactive to Stick's suspicion? Mild evil Suspicious of Experience One 66 Ashbringer Asks whether people mind mind games. N/A N/A Point of asking? Unsure None One 67 Experience RP N/A N/A NAI NAI None One 68 Matrim's Dice Gut village of Stick, Ashbringer, TJ. Null on Thaidakar and Araris, thinks Kas and Experience feel normal, but that that's not necessarily village, might be in Kas' case N/A N/A Would question gut takes, now seen Matrim's alignment. Known non-village See post One 69 Experience Notes Matrim included GM in village reads N/A N/A NAI NAI None One 70 Araris Matrim putting GM in village reads makes them want to leave their vote on them N/A N/A Not sure I see it as anything more than a joke Very mild evil None One 71 Ashbringer Says hello to Striker N/A N/A Presume Striker was viewing the thread NAI None One 72 Striker RP. Votes on Matrim's Dice as one of the times they vote on them early in D1 exe has to be right. Has bad gut read on them. Says will disappear for a while after post. Asks for vote count Matrim's Dice N/A Obviously (and probably deliberately) poor logic for vote on Matrim's Dice. Why ask for vote count if disappearing? Gut mild evil Votes on Matrim's Dice One 73 Tani "VC: Numbers" N/A N/A Joke NAI None One 74 TUA RP. Says they should add game comments, but don't have any. Might just RP and chill N/A N/A If not going to make comments, not contributing as village, impossible to solve. Should policy lynch at appropriate point Functionally not village None One 75 Matrim's Dice Says they're aware that TJ is the GM, and putting them as village was taking an active stance against people voting for him. Points out that Striker's logic on voting for him based on past games is flawed. Says amazing that can get village read in one game and elim read in another without changing playstyle. Says Striker objectively wrong to claim they're not talking to anyone N/A N/A Unlikely that eliminators woudl actively seek to change their playstyle. Feels slightly performative, moot point, known non village. Think Striker's point was RP only? Known non-village None One 76 Illwei Thinks Experience and Araris village. Thinks Thaidakar not e/e with Matrim, Dannnex, or Stick, Experience not e/e with Araris or Archer, Ashbringer not e/e with Striker. Leaning village on Ashbringer for poking Striker when Striker was viewing the thread, thinks NAI in reality. Suspicious of Kasimir for attempt to appear normal N/A N/A Would like to see justifications for team exclusions. Need to check notes, agree with at least some, but would be helpful to have called out what they're reliant on. Like being clear with reads. Mild village See post One 77 Archer Says they are an epic, wants to figure out if everyone is an Epic. Claims their role is that they can ask dead people questions if their alignment hasn't been confirmed. Asks if anyone is not an epic N/A N/A Bold to assume everyone an Epic from their own role. Unsure where additional information from. If role true, feels more likely village aligned than elim aligned. Odd role to make up, easily verifiable. Don't think an eliminator would know immediately that village aligned epics exist pre-D1 lynch. Moderately hard clear village? Sceptical of Devotary One 78 Illwei Tells people not to answer Archer asking if anyone isn't an Epic N/A N/A Agree generally with wisdom of not roleclaiming, dislike Illwei asserting it as wisdom - both useful to see who makes claims, and potentially claiming cred for saying village-like things Mild evil None One 79 TUA Claims to be a regular N/A N/A Don't think AI. Could be villager seeking to make themselves less of a target (not sure villagers actually should do so), or elim seeking to avoid havign to explain actions down the road NAI None One 80 Archer Votes on Illwei, as thinks they have said previously that secrecy of blackout distributions favours eliminators. Illwei Kasimir Actions consistent with stated beliefs. Feels genuine. Moderate village Votes on Illwei One 81 STINK Asks whether it's worth them reading the last four pages N/A N/A Always, but not inconsistent with historic playstyle NAI None One 82 Matrim's Dice Doesn't know how Archer could confirm no vanilla roles without access to the player list. N/A N/A Known non-village Known non-village None One 83 Striker Responds to Matrim, says not talking to anyone was RP reason for vote. Retracts from Matrim, votes on Stink STINK Matrim's Dice Why retract vote? One substantive Matrim post in interim - what in it made them retract? Stink being consistent - easy vote? Mild evil Votes on Stink One 84 Matrim's Dice Acknowledges Striker's RP N/A N/A None NAI None One 85 STINK Quotes Striker's vote, "Truly great to be back" N/A N/A None NAI None One 86 Devotary Replies to Archer, says it is their RP character who isn't an Epic. Says bold move for Archer to claim Epic in game where elim team are corrupted Epics N/A N/A Actively isn't claiming vanilla. Not sure Epic claim if elims listed as corrupted Epics is so bold - question what Devotary meant by this. Gut moderate evil Sus of Archer? One 87 Experience Elims being "corrupted" epics leads them to think there are some villager epics N/A N/A Very fair assumption. Reassess alignment indicativeness of Archer claim. Read rules in greater depth myself next game. NAI None One 88 Matrim's Dice Elims being corrupted epics not just epics, villagers being Reckoner Allies not Reckoners implies village epics, ninja'd by Experience N/A N/A Very fair assumption. Reassess alignment indicativeness of Archer claim. Read rules in greater depth myself next game. Known non-village None One 89 Striker Trivial reply to STINK N/A N/A None NAI None One 90 TUA Is claiming regular N/A N/A None new NAI None One 91 Devotary Expects a higher percentage of epics than regulars to be eliminators. Non-epics on corrupted epics team would be funny N/A N/A Possibly, but more villagers than elims, so epic not necessarily more likely to be elim than village. Don't think it justifies assessment of Archer's claim as bold Mild evil None One 92 Stick Expresses incredulity at Archer's claim, suggests they might be setting themself up for the night kill. Says we shouldn't be mass claiming N/A N/A Gut read as performative Mild evil None One 93 Ashbringer Says we need Elims to claim Reckoners, or what Devotary said N/A N/A Not quite sure I follow Unsure None One 94 Archer Isn't sure whether Devotary elim or vanilla villager. Thinks some level of claiming necessary in blackout gain to understand the game. Had initially assumed everyone was an Epic, thinks TUA's defence of Devotary so indirect it felt genuine. N/A N/A Agree re interrogation of Devotary. Why assume everyone an Epic based on their own role - feels odd. But again, odder to assume as an eliminator. Mild village Suspicious of Devotary One 95 Illwei Blackout of all information favours eliminators, but this does not mean total openness favours village. Village claims narrow NK possibilities for eliminators. Will treat further elim claims as elim. N/A N/A Very odd to say vanilla claims will be read as evil. Feels llike threat to make people not claim, as not reliable alignment-discerning tool, which Illwei must know. Plausible to want to dissuade village claims regardless of alignment Mild evil from coercion None One 96 TJ Vote count GM GM GM GM GM One 97 Ashbringer Says we should be cautious nitpicking GM PMs, and thinks doing so might be against the rules N/A N/A Not sure spirit of the rules precludes questioning GM in blackout game, if so, poorly written rule. NAI None One 98 TUA Says they may have stepped over the line of not nitpicking GM PMs N/A N/A Not sure they did NAI None One 99 STINK Thought game would have PMs N/A N/A Indirectly implying no doc to chat in? Plausibly performative Unsure None One 100 Matrim's Dice Asks whether there are neutral roles, as factions section of rules is definitive. Doesn't see a reason not to vote for Dannnex, votes for them Dannnex Thaidakar Why would GM give clarity in blackout game. Known non-village, suggests thought of themselves as neutral Known non-village None One 101 Thaidakar the Ghostblood Asks how much RP this game involves, and whether they should RP N/A N/A Can read thread and see not everyone RPing - performative? Unsure Unsure None One 102 Matrim's Dice Tells Thaidakar that RP is optional, encourages them to introduce their character N/A N/A NAI Known non-village None

Apologies, all. The rate at which the thread has expanded has, frankly, been off-putting, given how I approach these games, but I’m now biting the bullet and starting to work through. I don’t like engaging with the present without having read and formed a view on previous pages, so am unlikely to vote this cycle - I doubt I’ll have caught up in time. That all being said, I’m committing myself to having caught up within the next 24 hours.

I’ll sign up as Locke Tekiel.

I’ll sign up as Locke.

Sorry for not being around - turns out I presently just don’t have the capacity to play SE. I’ll join the vote on The Unknown Order for now

Simply because I have a mild gut read that they’re more likely to be an eliminator than Danex, and the Unknown Order doesn’t look to be up for the lynch, The Unknown Order, Ed Venture

As far as I can tell this is the post behind the lynch on Danex. Beyond being slightly ridiculous, it doesn’t come across to me as massively suspicious - I read it as genuinely trying to be funny/silly. I’d be more inclined to vote on SeaDragonet, for suggesting that it’s suspicious that Danex chose the same target as last game, which I just can’t see - @SeaDragonet, would you mind explaining your rationale here?

@Matrim's Dice, are we able to request an accurate vote count?

As a counterpoint, the village rioter doesn’t have information as to the alignment of those on the lynch, whereas the eliminator soother knows exactly how they ought to act to guarantee a village lynch. I don’t think I am underplaying the impact on balance here. You’re right to point out roleblocking affects the soother, however - which I hadn’t considered, thinking only of its impact on kills.

Formatted for clarity. I'm (obviously) not TJ, but in the absence of his response thought I'd engage with your discussion prompt. I'm unfamiliar with the new meta on this site, and so don't know current thinking on best practice for distribution with low player numbers. That said, we used to say 20-25%, or the square root of player numbers as a good rule of thumb for elim numbers. These give 2.6, 3.25, and 3.6 respectively. I think, as such, three eliminators is not unlikely. I recall QFs and MRs traditionally have a much higher eliminator win rate than LGs, which I always attributed to a lack of time for analysis - I would be inclined to suggest that lower player numbers will only heighten this trend. Were I GMing, I'd be looking at either a lower end eliminator team numbers wise, or a higher prevalence of protection items across the village to lengthen the game. This is exacerbated by the Soul Forger: If my reading of the rules is correct, we will start seeing at least two kills a cycle from cycle 3 onwards - I can see no reason why the Soul Forger would do anything other than begin creation of the Warrior essence mark immediately. That said, I think the Soul Forger is greatly incentivised to take out eliminators, rather than villagers. If we mislynch this cycle and next, with two unprotected eliminator kills, we could be looking at 5 villagers to three eliminators and a serial killer going into cycle three - and the eliminators have vote manipulation. This hasn't multiquoted properly, so I'll break down the parts I want to comment on with quotes myself (Unknown Order's comments in bold) Not an awful lot said in the analysis thus far. Of interest to me, however, is the absence of comments on lynch thresholds and ties. The rules are explicit that the eliminators have a vote canceller, which (until they're killed) means that tied lynches ought only to result in a village death. Fairly surface level analysis here. The assertion that the Serial Killer would start with a double life is interesting, though. @The Unknown Order you rightly identify that this would make them stronger, which you argue as a reason for them to start with it. I'd be curious to hear why you think strengthening the Soul Forger is necessary, and your thoughts on the implications for game balance? It interests me that you consistently use language saying things are standard, even when you go on to acknowledge they're not - "although it is random". To me, it reads that you're trying to give the impression of analysing, without doing so. You further also downplay the importance of the vote canceller for the eliminators. I don't think we should underestimate this for a moment, given it ensures the village lose every tie, and lylo can appear a cycle earlier. I'm not going to quote the rest of your post - I think there's enough so far for me to retract on Tani and vote on The Unknown Order. That may well be the case, but announcing to the thread your disappointment feels performative to me, and so raises my suspicions. Similarly to my thoughts on Tani, elements of this feel performative, although I like that the analysis focuses more on implications than that of The Unknown Order. I would question, though, your reluctance to see vigilante kills used. Historically, vigilante kills are more accurate than the lynch, and we need eliminator deaths if we want to win. It's been a while since I played properly , and I think you went on a mission at some point didn't you? I would be very, very surprised if the eliminators had a way to kill in addition to their normal kill. If we have 9-3-1, or even 10-2-1, we're not many cycles from an early LyLo, given the eliminator vote cancelling potential. Edit: Vote Count: TJ - (1): Ashwastaken Danex - (1): Araris Tani - (0): Orlok <1> Mage - (1): Ed Venture Ed Venture - (1): Mage TJ - (1): Danex The Unknown Order - (1): Orlok <2>

Count me out for the foreseeable - I'm testing the waters playing a game again, and will see how that goes (and possibly a few more) before I commit to GMing again.

That’s good to know, and probably means it’s not alignment indicative, although I’d like to hear from @Tani themselves before I retract my vote.

Tani. Stating that they’re a villager and appealing for sympathy for doing so raises my hackles enough for a D1 lynch vote.

It’s been a while, but I’ll sign up as Locke Tekiel.

Hi all. Has been a busy and torrid few days. I'll be more likely to be around tomorrow, but if Straw has a pinch hitter lined up, please do replace me.

As always, I shall play as Locke Tekiel.

It’s 5am, and I should be asleep, but on the early game “townslip”, which I agree is noteworthy @Illwei, I see two possibilities. The first, and likeliest I think is that it is genuine - certainly that was my initial read of it, from which I’ve village read James so far this game. That said, knowing him @Breaker, how likely do you think James is to make such a play given their off-site experience? Gut tells me not so likely - if he was going for such a move, my feeling is that he would also try to underplay his experience.

Back to the grindstone now, albeit tired and slightly tipsy whilst I work. What makes you think I might be yellow Ajah? Analysis from the first eight pages: Analysis of the following four pages: 202 C1 202 Liranil Asks for vote count. Says Breaker and Gears claiming each other as Aes Sedai and Warder. Suspects they areas they claim due to coordination. Thinks James village. Gut suspicious of Condensation. Clearly reads RP posts. Agree re James. Known villager 203 C1 203 TJ Shade Vote count (shows Dannex clearly in the lead) GM Evil 204 C1 204 The Unknown Order Has caught up with thread. Doesn't have reads. Has a PM. Not much to look at NAI 205 C1 205 Breaker Votes on James "for science" Use postscrapers to find whitetext, gents. Clear prior relationship wih James - suspect vote not serious NAI James Brafin 206 C1 206 James Brafin Is exasperated More evidence of their knowing each other NAI 207 C1 207 Breaker More white text NAI NAI 208 C1 208 James Brafin Emote NAI NAI 209 C1 209 Burnt Spaghetti Comments casually on James/Breaker interaction NAI NAI 210 C1 210 Breaker Continues interaction NAI NAI 211 C1 211 James Brafin Posts gif NAI NAI 212 C1 212 Illwei Says Breaker was village in MR due to being "all over the place" - playstyle changed this game. Thinks Dannex being aggressive is a town tell for them. Thinks Condensation's behaviour NAI. Village reads for Dannex, Reading, James, lean for Matrim. Elim leans for Liranil, Order, and TJ confirmed elim. Votes on Liranil for sheeping consensus reads. Thinks differs from first game playstyle. Order feels like newer elim. Striker a gut read as posts confused Good to know more re Dannex's historical playstyle. Agree wholeheartedly wrt read on TJ. Liranil now confirmed village. Striker confirmed evil. Mild village Liranil 213 C1 213 Burnt Spaghetti Casual conversation NAI NAI 214 C1 214 TJ Shade Comments on Illwei calling them out as an elim Openwolfing Evil 215 C1 215 Burnt Spaghetti Provides solid logic for TJ being evil NAI NAI 216 C1 216 Breaker Agrees with Burnt NAI NAI 217 C1 217 Illwei Also agrees with Burnt NAI NAI 218 C1 218 Matrim's Dice Disagrees with Illwei's elim reads on Order and Striker, but agrees on Liranil Liranil confirmed village, Striker confirmed evil Mild/moderate evil 219 C1 219 Condensation Says people sus of her because she voted, which is atypical. Says she has been close to being lynched for not voting, hence behaviour change. Feels genuine, sensible reason for changing playstyle NAI 220 C1 220 Liranil Says did vote earlier, on Gears. More suspicious of Dannex than others with votes. Retracts from Gears, votes on Dannex. Fair explanation. Known villager Dannex Gears 221 C1 221 Gears Highlights reel of thread. Consensus that there is a single village vig. Matrim sus of Dannex based on their views on Illwei, which Dannex should be familiar with. Reading sus of Dannex based on gut. Condensation joins vote without reasoning. James sus of Dannex based on tone. Says James tunneling, this site very casual. Matrim suspicious of Condensation for jumping on Dannex lynch. Reminds players that Breaker is Blue Ajah. Summary only. SE definitely much more casual than it used to be. Don't have the time or energy to work out their gambit with regards to Ajah Unsure 222 C1 222 Burnt Spaghetti Jokes NAI NAI 223 C1 223 Illwei Thinks killing Dannex a mistake Consistent with earlier posts NAI 224 C1 224 Breaker Makes joke re Matrim in WoT game NAI NAI 225 C1 225 James Brafin Commends Illwei's logic Which part of it? Sarcastic? Unclear 226 C1 226 Illwei Suggests James mocking them Possibly true? NAI 227 C1 227 Breaker Comments on number of pages reached Trust me, it doesn't feel like something to be celebrated NAI 228 C1 228 James Brafin Says wasn't mocking Illwei So what was the great point? NAI 229 C1 229 Illwei Asks for clarification from James I'd also like to seee clarification on this NAI 230 C1 230 Breaker Suggests James is confused NAI NAI 231 C1 231 Flyingbooks42 Asks for a summary of the cycle Nothing to analyse Known villager 232 C1 232 Burnt Spaghetti Summarises the cycle as chaos Pretty accurate NAI 233 C1 233 Breaker Votes on Flyingbooks Not a serious vote NAI Flyingbooks 234 C1 234 Flyingbooks42 Asks why Breaker is voting on them If new player a fair question Known villager 235 C1 235 Burnt Spaghetti Votes on Breaker for voting on Flyingbooks Fair enough, not AI NAI Breaker 236 C1 236 Breaker Retracts from Flyingbooks, says vote was because it was funny Not a serious player NAI Flyingbooks 237 C1 237 Burnt Spaghetti Retracts from Breaker NAI NAI Breaker 238 C1 238 Illwei Expresses sadness at having caused confusion NAI NAI 239 C1 239 Breaker Casual conversation NAI NAI 240 C1 240 James Brafin Suggests Gear's argument for being sus of Condensation not strong Valid NAI 241 C1 241 Burnt Spaghetti Casual conversation with Breaker NAI NAI 242 C1 242 James Brafin Says being confused is accurate NAI NAI 243 C1 243 Illwei Expresses further sadness at having caused confusion NAI NAI 244 C1 244 Breaker Says James is about to lie Probably close relations NAI 245 C1 245 James Brafin Expresses sadness at having caused sadness NAI NAI 246 C1 246 StrikerEZ Finding themselves confused. Cycle has been chaotic. Quite. Known elim 247 C1 247 Burnt Spaghetti Discontent at Illwei for upsetting James Silliness NAI 248 C1 248 Flyingbooks42 Comments on Breaker/James posts NAI NAI 249 C1 249 Illwei Blames silliness on Burnt Not sure that's quite true NAI 250 C1 250 Burnt Spaghetti Says it isn't her, for once Probably true NAI 251 C1 251 Breaker Says they are "wounding" James NAI NAI 252 C1 252 Illwei Suggests all chaos is due to Burnt Tbh not an unreasonable hypothesis NAI 253 C1 253 Matrim's Dice Retracts on Condensation, votes on Liranil. Will give reasoning in the morning. Needs explanation. Unclear thus far Liranil Condensation 254 C1 254 Breaker Suggests Illwei shall receive a noble laureate for their hypothesis re Burnt I wouldn't be quite that generous NAI 255 C1 255 James Brafin Calls out the fact that we've had 25 posts of fluff It is indeed a little frustrating NAI 256 C1 256 Breaker Votes on Liranil, for "anarchy" Consistent with behaviour thus far, not helpful to the village Mild evil Liranil 257 C1 257 Burnt Spaghetti Refuses to take responsibility for chaos NAI NAI 258 C1 258 Illwei Suggests that they put fluff in PMs not thread whern PMs exist NAI NAI 259 C1 259 Flyingbooks42 Adds to Illwei's Burnt hypothesis NAI NAI 260 C1 260 Breaker Casual conversation NAI NAI 261 C1 261 Flyingbooks42 Says no PMs helps them engage in the game Glad you're able to engage Known villager 262 C1 262 Burnt Spaghetti Suggests James should breathe as not coping well with the fluff. Good advice. I'll try it too. NAI 263 C1 263 James Brafin Jokes NAI NAI 264 C1 264 Breaker Jokes NAI NAI 265 C1 265 Illwei Says they used to be shy but advises Flyingbooks just to start conversations People here really are normally quite nice NAI 266 C1 266 Flyingbooks42 Votes and unvotes on James as a joke NAI NAI James James 267 C1 267 Illwei Jokes NAI NAI 268 C1 268 Burnt Spaghetti Jokes NAI NAI 269 C1 269 Breaker Jokes NAI NAI 270 C1 270 Liranil Asks people to give actual arguments for voting on them I quite agree. Known villager 271 C1 271 TJ Shade This is fine I feel your pain, TJ Evil 272 C1 272 Ashbringer States players are all insane Accurate NAI 273 C1 273 Breaker Asks if Ashbringer wishes to be his friend NAI NAI 274 C1 274 Burnt Spaghetti Largely nonsense NAI NAI 275 C1 275 Illwei Says we need to reassess Liranil lynch Doesn't do much of this themselves Mild evil 276 C1 276 Breaker Nonsense NAI NAI 277 C1 277 Illwei Nonsense NAI NAI 278 C1 278 Breaker Nonsense NAI NAI 279 C1 279 Burnt Spaghetti Sad face NAI NAI 280 C1 280 James Brafin Nonsense NAI NAI 281 C1 281 Liranil American patriotic nonsense Upstart colonials NAI 282 C1 282 Breaker Retracts Liranil I look forward to getting to where Breaker starts making sense to me NAI Liranil 283 C1 283 Illwei Anti-Australian nonsense Don't bash my favourite prison NAI 284 C1 284 Breaker Nonsense NAI NAI 285 C1 285 Liranil More anti-Australian nonsense NAI NAI 286 C1 286 Burnt Spaghetti Nonsense NAI NAI 287 C1 287 Illwei Says James made townslip with first post Agree, unless James expert eliminator Mild village 288 C1 288 Breaker Says James' "townslip" ooc given familiarity with mafia Actually a decent point Mild village 289 C1 289 The Unknown Order Elim read James and Dannex, village read Quinn Very odd set of reads. Query why. Mild evil 290 C1 290 Breaker Says messing with James (and says they are oog friends) Makes sense NAI 291 C1 291 The Unknown Order James only elim read Rationale being? Mild evil 292 C1 292 Illwei Questions Unknown Order's elim read of James For good reason Mild village 293 C1 293 The Unknown Order Says James said something sus Which was? Unsure 294 C1 294 Breaker Asks Illwei who they would like to lynch I give up on trying to read Breaker NAI 295 C1 295 Ashbringer Votes on Dannex Sensible at this stage Known villager 296 C1 296 Dannex Asks for votecount, says they'll roleclaim if need be Roles RNG this game - not sure roles actually clear anyoen C1 NAI 297 C1 297 TJ Shade Gives votecount GM Never trust a GM 298 C1 298 Ashbringer Says Dannex more suspicious than Liranil, late in day Fair enough Known villager 299 C1 299 Illwei Not feeling Dannex lynch. Mld village read on Matrim, Ash, Reading, James, Dannex. Most suspicious of Liranil, Lotus, Flyingbooks, Striker Elims #2,3 in suspicion list. Distancing or genuine? Probably moderate village 300 C1 300 Dannex Votes Liranil out of self-preservation. Suggests they should be left alive due to role claim. Explains thread very active when first posted. Thinks vanilla knowledge important due to distribution. Says elims won't kill a vanilla. Apologises for aggressive tone of posts. Self pres vote makes sense if values role so highly. Disagree vehemently with meta that suggests we value roles over players. Also disagree with logic re vanilla players. GMs are, as a rule, trolls. Very very difficult to predict distro as a player accurately enough for the game. If vanillas, will be killed or lynched in time, and no urgency behind information. Feels like genuinely held belief, however, so whilst I disagree strongly with the argument, feel less like they are elim because of it Mild village Liranil 301 C1 301 Gears Suggests worth noting Ashbringer's vote as suspicious. Ashbringer known villager. No reasoning why. Mild evil. In short, I'm getting there, slowly. Planning to get up to the halfway point by the end of my day, and then fully up to speed tomorrow. As is clear in my analysis, I am struggling to read Breaker, but their post recently claiming gives me a bad feeling - the edits particularly, and the uncertainty read as "put on", not genuine.

Next four pages (and a couple of lectures) done. 200 posts so far, 1200 to go... Content of my last 100 posts here: The new analysis as follows: 102 C1 102 Breaker Says they can't remember writing a poem I can't remember the poem either NAI 103 C1 103 Illwei Votes on Illwei Seems to be a joke NAI Matrim's Dice 104 C1 104 Gears Explains Illwei's joke re their PM Correct interpretation. NAI 105 C1 105 Breaker Thanks Gears NAI NAI 106 C1 106 TJ Shade Confirms Araris as IM Araris one of the Forsaken Live in fear of the Dark One 107 C1 107 Matrim's Dice Retracts Condensation, votes Illwei Reactionary, seems also lighthearted NAI Illwei Condensation 108 C1 108 Illwei Leans village on Matrim, as an elim would expect him to have actually pressured for Illwei's lynch Appreciate the meta clarification Mild village 109 C1 109 TJ Shade GM offline for 6 hours N/A N/A 110 C1 110 Matrim's Dice Retracts Illwei, votes Condensation. Reversion to pre-trolling votes. Don't agree with vote on Condensation NAI Condensation Illwei 111 C1 111 Quinn0928 Says deliberately misquoting Matrim to troll. Trolling an essential part of SE NAI 112 C1 112 Liranil Votes Gears for directing roles Not sure agree with vote, but not suspicious of it Known villager 113 C1 113 Illwei Says on a team with Matrim Trolling NAI 114 C1 114 James Brafin Says their off-site experience is on mafiascum, therefore build focused. Useful to know NAI 115 C1 115 Quinn0928 Says we are less organised than Mafiascum NAI NAI 116 C1 116 Matrim's Dice Also jokes about team with Illwei. Trolling NAI 117 C1 117 Quinn0928 Claims also elim Trolling Known elim 118 C1 118 James Brafin Queries Quinn thinking Green Ajah having two warders due to balance Sensible query - agree Very mild village 119 C1 119 Illwei Says they have also played some Mafiascum None NAI 120 C1 120 James Brafin Games on Mafiascum take months, hostile to new players A great shame NAI 121 C1 121 Quinn0928 Says an elim Green Ajah would neutralise vig due to elim info and control. Would be too unbalanced I think - potential to completely upened game Known elim 122 C1 122 Matrim's Dice Says think Ajah/Warder RNG NAI NAI 123 C1 123 James Brafin Agrees that Black Ajah Green Ajah warder possible but unlikely Sensible assessment. Genuine conversation with Quinn? Like that they picked out point in older post of theirs. Mild village 124 C1 124 Quinn0928 Suggests late game elim warder play could work Unlikely Known elim 125 C1 125 James Brafin Doesn't agree with Quinn NAI NAI 126 C1 126 Dannex Thinks Elim!Quinn could troll about being an elim Useful Mild village 127 C1 127 Illwei Thinks Green Ajah elim warder too elim sided. Thinks speculating on setup impossible Agree re Green Ajah NAI 128 C1 128 James Brafin Misinterpreted post Reads genuine Strong village 129 C1 129 Condensation Clarifies that "condensation"ing someone is correcting their grammar NAI NAI 130 C1 130 Illwei Asks context of James Brafin's question re Condensation NAI NAI 131 C1 131 Condensation Irrelevant NAI NAI 132 C1 132 James Brafin Again clarifies misreading of term As above, reads very genuine Moderate village 133 C1 133 Matrim's Dice Can't browse Mafiascum NAI NAI 134 C1 134 Quinn0928 Jokes about Mat pocketing Condensation NAI NAI 135 C1 135 Matrim's Dice Jokes NAI NAI 136 C1 136 Condensation Jokes NAI NAI 137 C1 137 Matrim's Dice Continues joking NAI NAI 138 C1 138 Quinn0928 Casual conversation, contains whitetext You guys should all get threadscrapers that show posts in plaintext. They make spotting white text so much easier NAI 139 C1 139 Condensation More casual conversation NAI NAI 140 C1 140 Quinn0928 Reveals whitetext NAI NAI 141 C1 141 Condensation Complains about having to look for white text NAI NAI 142 C1 142 Quinn0928 Says they check every post for white text NAI NAI 143 C1 143 Illwei Says Mafiascum difficult to navigate. Notes nothing of value said in last ten posts At least it makes my life easier... NAI 144 C1 144 Matrim's Dice Suggests halting OOG conversation NAI NAI 145 C1 145 Condensation Says they don't check every post for white text NAI NAI 146 C1 146 Quinn0928 Jokes about posting every 5 seconds Their posting rate really is extreme NAI 147 C1 147 Condensation Says shard rules prohibit posting more than every 30 seconds Not with mod powers (Retired Staff still get a few privileges) NAI 148 C1 148 Quinn0928 Says they were exaggerating NAI NAI 149 C1 149 Condensation 45 seconds NAI NAI 150 C1 150 Illwei Notes that casual posting makes it harder for players to catch up on Very true NAI 151 C1 151 Quinn0928 Reveals which post contains the whitetext NAI NAI 152 C1 152 StrikerEZ Complains about difficulty catching up on the thread. Guesses 4 elims. Doesn't have a read on anyone I feel your pain. Known elim 153 C1 153 Ashbringer Guesses one elim ajah-warder pair. Questions what we do with partner of elim if found Is it not known that pairings are RNG? Known villager 154 C1 154 Quinn0928 Suggests we lynch partner of found elim Misdirecting village? Known elim 155 C1 155 Illwei Not a fan of lynching bonded partners on principle. Thinks best to look at how they have been acting. Agree wholeheartedly. Mild village 156 C1 156 James Brafin Strong town view on Quinn. Suspicious of Illwei. Dice NAI. Mild village on Ash and Condensation, moderate on Devotary. Very suspicious of Dannex, wants to vote but doesn't know this site's meta Quinn now proven village. Mistake or teammates? Difficult to tell, as reading Quinn's posts knowing their alignment. Agree re townreads - but easy to townread as an elim. Agree presently re sus of Dannex Unsure - revisit with more evidence 157 C1 157 Quinn0928 Says James can vote on Dannex within meta Less likely Dannex evil? Known elim 158 C1 158 James Brafin Votes on Dannex Consistent with prior post. I'd likely have done the same. Mild village Dannex 159 C1 159 Matrim's Dice Asks James for terminology clarifications NAI NAI 160 C1 160 James Brafin Explains terminology. Says taking notes. Complains about post numbers. Agree wholeheartedly re post numbers. Would genuinely bribe Eric and Josh a moderate amount of money for them if the site supported it NAI 161 C1 161 Illwei Strong village read on Dannex and Reading Would appreciate clarity on where village read on Dannex comes from Unsure 162 C1 162 James Brafin Pedantry I aprove wholeheartedly of pedantry NAI 163 C1 163 Illwei More pedantry Keep this coming NAI 164 C1 164 James Brafin Thinks Dannex definitely evil - responses deflective, unhelpful and evasive. Very sus of Lotus. Thinks Quinn village, leaning Illwei village. Dice village. Analysing posts one by one Marry me, James. Agree wholeheartedly re Dannex based on posts to this point, and doing post by post notes and analysis... Quinn read still odd, would like to see your full notes on Quinn prior to this post. Puts links to posts in his posts!!! Moderate village, saint 165 C1 165 James Brafin Jokes hard townread on Illwei for pedantry NAI NAI 166 C1 166 Breaker Asks for explanation of terms NAI NAI 167 C1 167 Quinn0928 Explains terms NAI NAI 168 C1 168 James Brafin Clarifies distinction between sheeping and bandwagoning NAI NAI 169 C1 169 Matrim's Dice Asks for the links to posts in James' posts If you ask me to link each post in my own I'm going to murder you. NAI 170 C1 170 James Brafin Added links Saint NAI 171 C1 171 Illwei Asks Quinn for views on Dannex as recently was on elim team with him Useful info Mild village 172 C1 172 Quinn0928 Doesn't want to give info on Dannex. Doesn't think he is acting in same way. Doesn't want him cleared for this. Lack of info unhelpful - link w/ distancing between them? Known elim 173 C1 173 James Brafin Says almost caught up with thread If only... NAI 174 C1 174 Dannex Doesn't know how they have come across as aggressive See my analysis above NAI 175 C1 175 James Brafin Nearly caught up I am very envious NAI 176 C1 176 James Brafin Suspicious of condensation, thinks Quinn may have set up knowledge. Thinks Striker's first post is weird. Reevaluating reads. Very strong village vibes from this. If elim, very well played. Moderate village 177 C1 177 Quinn0928 Asks whether James means they might have distro knowledge because they are an eliminator NAI NAI 178 C1 178 Gears RPs as Breaker's warder NAI NAI 179 C1 179 Breaker RPs as Gears' Aes Sedai NAI NAI 180 C1 180 James Brafin Megapost on Dannex. Notes first post high effort but low value. Second post blatant powerhunting. Notes third post doesn't explain what the town actually learn. Fourth deflective. Fifth very aggressive. Thinks Dannex misquoting Condensation. Thinks Dannex trying to stop bus of Illwei. Suggests last quoted post aggressive and dismissive Agree wholeheartedly with most of this. Have moderate village read on Illwei however, so disagree on conclusion of bussing Moderate village 181 C1 181 Ashbringer RP NAI Known villager 182 C1 182 Breaker Setting question NAI NAI 183 C1 183 James Brafin Post on Dannex/Condensation. Thinks soft distancing as posts are fluff and yet change Dannex's mind. Feels contrived. Personal reading of Condensations early change of playstyle was that it felt genuine - or that I was prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt Unsure 184 C1 184 Breaker Says Condensation's nickname is Connie Nicknames in general are awful NAI 185 C1 185 Illwei Asks that no one reply to James' post until Dannex and Condensation do Value in this being? Unsure 186 C1 186 Matrim's Dice Doubts Condensation bussing Dannex Knows Condensation, assume based on that NAI 187 C1 187 Breaker Jokes NAI NAI 188 C1 188 Condensation States gender. Explains behaviour. Says she didn't have much reason for Dannex vote. Says they haven't retracted Dannex vote. Feels gut genuine Mild village 189 C1 189 Illwei Says Breaker playing differently to previous game, asks Breaker if this is conscious Not sure anything of note here NAI 190 C1 190 Matrim's Dice Joke, I think? NAI NAI 191 C1 191 Ashbringer Good gut reads on Matrim, Quinn, James, bad gut on Shard and Devotary. Neutral on Dannex. Will look at thread before deciding view on Dannex. Doesn't explain votes beyond gut. Known villager 192 C1 192 James Brafin Very polite with regards to pronouns etc NAI NAI 193 C1 193 Burnt Spaghetti Is lost, suggests taking notes on read through Notes are, indeed, helpful NAI 194 C1 194 Matrim's Dice Suggests application of known strategy reads of less value on site where mafia played more casually. Actually a pretty good point NAI 195 C1 195 Breaker Says they are learning from reactions to James, says they didn't play reliably last game deliberately. Claims Blue Ajah. Claims no good reads due to being new. Mild sus re highlighting inexperience Mild evil 196 C1 196 Burnt Spaghetti Says Breaker a shade of Chaos NAI NAI 197 C1 197 Breaker On good terms with Burnt NAI NAI 198 C1 198 Dannex Replies to James' megapost. Answer is essentially that it his behaviour is to do with the meta. Still says existence of vanilla "more important than [we are] assuming", doesn't explain it. Thinks James tunneling. Not too satisfied with this answer. Gut read on it is that it is dismissive without engaging in points made. Mild evil 199 C1 199 James Brafin Chaos NAI NAI 200 C1 200 StrikerEZ Says they are lost. Thinks gist is that people are suspicious of Dannex. Defends Dannex's behaviouir as being because they might be a defensive player. Thinks James an aggressive player. Link between Striker and Dannex? Known elim 201 C1 201 Burnt Spaghetti Says she will take notes on Dannex and Condensation. Useful enough. I look forward to reaching these notes. NAI Clearly a lot yet to get through. I got quite a lot of pushback on my views on Dannex from my last post. Does anyone want to be kind and summarise why we now think he is a villager? @James Brafin I'd be particularly interested in your views given your early C1 megapost on him (#180 in my table).

Just as an aside, I'm against any strategy that coerces players to act in a certain way, so on principle I don't like this suggestion that we force players to give up information.