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I don't think it would work. Forms of Investiture seem to manifest differently depending on the Shard that they are related to. Stormlight and BioChroma are simply incompatible.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't use the stances. He certainly didn't use them in his practice fight with Kaladin.

@ sun tzaro Unless Stones Unhallowed convinces me otherwise, Szeth is one of my least favorite characters in the entirety of the Stormlight Archive. So far, he's completely bland, defined only by his conflict between his devotion to Stone Shamanism and his hatred of killing. That's almost the entirety of every scene he has right there. Then there's also the fact that his Surgebinding was completely unearned. He used an Honorblade to perform all of his assassinations, not attracting a spren due to his exemplifying of an Ideal. Then, to top it off, he gets revived after being dominated by the first other Surgebinder he comes across, only to have to rely on direct intervention from Nale to actually become a Skybreaker. An order which is, might I add, already my least favorite. Nale has proved himself to be a misguided and unintentionally malicious simpleton, using local laws as an excuse to eliminate proto-Radiants in a foolish attempt to prevent the return of the Voidbringers. In conclusion: Szeth, a boring antagonist, continued in his boring antagonism until he died, only to be revived by a stupid antagonist, inducting Szeth into an order of boring antagonists.

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Hm. I still don't think that he would be good enough to be classified as a Swordmaster because even though he might be good, he can't control his emotions in a duel, which I think would end up with him losing, especially when he's probably going up against the most skilled duelists on Roshar for the title. Plus, he probably doesn't use the classical stances at all.

Okay, I just came up with this just now but... The Hunger Games? Tributes could find metals or infused gemstones around the arena, or something like that. Personally, I'm not a huge fan the The Hunger Games, but I think it might have interesting implications when combined with the Cosmere.

Is Vasher really 100% confirmed to be on Roshar? I thought I heard through someone that he's actually Zahel, but that wouldn't make much sense, because how could he have possibly gotten to Roshar, and how would he be so good with a sword? And Zahel can see honorspren!

Okay, so this post will probably get edited when I come up with more theories and questions. Let's get down to business right now: 1. Force of a Steelpush or Ironpull This has been bothering me for a while. Whenever I reread the Mistborn books, I notice just how much damage Pushed coins are doing. In WoA, one of Cett's soldiers actually has a chip of their tooth pop out of their mouth when they're hit with a coin. Coins frequently puncture through someone's entire body. Yet, it's mentioned frequently in the books that your weight governs the effects of your Pushes and Pulls. Yet, this may refer to the total force applied in a Push or Pull, or perhaps just the effect (whether you or your target or both moves). To add to the confusion, we can tell from Vin and Kelsier's Pushing match in FE that seems like weight might be more of a factor than just determining who moves, if we're thinking that way, yet at the same time, we can tell that since Vin's Spiritweb had already been affected by Preservation that she could Push with more force. So, what determines just how hard you can Push or Pull? It must be powerful enough to break bones with a coin, yet must be governed by weight in some way. But it can be affected by how powerful an Allomancer you are. Is it possible that it is governed by the weights of the involved objects? Thoughts? 2. Center of Mass of a Push or Pull Frequently in the books, the characters flare pewter when performing extreme feats with iron or steel to 'stop from being crushed or pulled apart.' That begs the question: Just where on the body are these forces being exerted? Steel or iron lines point from the chest to different sources of metal. It is possible that this is where Allomancers Push or Pull from. Yet, if that were the case, how would forces being enacted on this nebulous 'single center of mass' threaten to crush or pull apart the entire body? That description makes it seem as if the forces are evenly applied and distributed around the exterior of the body. This doesn't seem likely to me, but I suppose it's possible. A theory I've been toying with is that Pushes and Pulls actually originate from the metals in an Allomancer's stomach, but it doesn't have much supporting evidence. What do you think? 3. Limits of Emotional Allomancy I don't like the way that emotional Allomancy is depicted in the books. It leaves things far too open-ended for my liking. The 'emotions' that a Soother or Rioter can affect are shown to be anything between chattiness and desire for a debate. Even boredom is shown, which I definitely don't think of as an emotion. It certainly causes other ones, like aggravation or something similar, but boredom is just another term for 'having nothing to do or think about.' It sort of ruins the rigid logic of Allomancy for me. It seems like anything that might have a remote possibility of being described as an emotions can be affected by the use of zinc or brass. So, my question is: does anyone know more about this? Are there actually limits that govern what can be affected by emotional Allomancy and I'm just being ignorant? Please tell me.

I was just citing it as an example to keep things simple. Hemalurgy is painfully complex, even for Brandon's magic systems.

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Uh, this is completely false. No method of physical compression is going to come close to affecting subatomic particles. Compress away, Scadrians. This process will work just fine. Actually, the only issue might be that condensed metals might be more easily affected by iron and steel, making them easier to get Pushed or Pulled away before consumption.

So, correction on a previous post, but Vin and Kelsier actually used pewter beads when they ran to the rebel's battle with the Valtroux garrison. I think this settles the point that surface area does not produce a discernible effect on metal effectiveness or burning speed, or Kelsier would have opted for the more effective pewter dust. I think the pill theory works splendidly, and that people are thinking of metal burning too similarly to the process of a chemical reaction. Since the metal is being consumed in a process to direct Allomantic power rather than mixing with a reactant, it shouldn't matter how much of the atom's surface is exposed.

Actually, that doesn't prove anything, because lead, which formed the center of the fake atium bead, is Allomantically inert. It could have still been burnable if it was what was encased in lead, or maybe not. Since it wasn't two combined burnable metals, we don't know.

1. In HoA, while Marsh is being controlled by Ruin, he reacts negatively to the notion of spiking the Misting in the town next to Tyrian (Was it Tyrian? I'm pretty sure it was.), then travel all the way to Luthadel to spike Penrod. He didn't like that it would be leaking power all that time. My question is, why? Hemalurgy is end-negative, since there is always some power lost in the process. That is very Ruin-like. But why be bothered that the spike was losing power? One would think he would be pleased to see so much of it disappear. I feel one of the attempts to explain this will be Sazed's explanation that "He knew that if he built one thing up, he could use it to knock down two others." But this opens up a broader issue. Can Ruin really ignore his intent in order to achieve his goals? It seems illogical that he would try and preserve as much power as he could, as that is in direct contrast with his intent. Also, in HoA it was revealed that Preservation couldn't suicide-bomb Ruin himself, as that went against his intent. Why is it different for Leras? 2. Does Hemalurgic power stop leaking when a subject is spiked? This seems to be the case, as Vin had her earring out for years after she was originally spiked. If it is true, why? Spiked people don't retain their stolen abilities when the spike is removed, so the power obviously went back into the spike. So why doesn't it leak? 3. Okay, so spikes made of different metals steal different abilities. But then the abilities granted also differ depending on the bind point. And hypothetically, if you wanted to steal an Allomantic ability from a Misting, then you could only take the one that they actually have. But steel simply 'steals physical Allomancy.' Does this mean that the only way to get the ability to burn pewter is to skewer a Thug with a steel spike and then insert it into only the correct bind point? So if you accidentally miss and spike the wrong spot, nothing happens? Or can you actually transmute one form of physical Allomancy into another by changing bind points? Basically, if anyone has some hidden treasure trove of Hemalurgic theory, I would like to know. 4. This last one is just guess on my part that I think is true: Zane's spike granted him increased power with steel, right? That would explain why he was able to pull off a controlled Push.

WHAT? Zahel is Vasher? Is this confirmed, or just an espoused theory? If so, what's the basis? This is the first I've heard of this. Though it would sure explain the Damnation out of Nightblood's appearance on Roshar.

I read something about this, I think it was in the Warbreaker annotations. How accurate a Lifeless follows commands is related to the skill of the Awakener that makes it. Llarimar was expecting it not to work, as a squirrel brain is quite simple, but it was able to follow Lightsong's commands perfectly because Vasher/Talaxin/Warbreaker is such a skilled Awakener.

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Then why did Sazed's rubbing of Kwaan's plate in the Conventical of Seran change? Are you saying that Ruin was constantly affecting the minds of the people who were reading it?

I think that there's a specific reason that Brandon mentions that Captain Teleb was an Oldblood in both WoK and WoR. In WoK, he mentions that there's a marking on his face that gives him away, and in WoR he reveals that the Oldbloods are those who are related to the old royal line of Alethkar (possibly Alethela at that time). I assume he is going to make use of these tidbits later, as a plotline later in the Stormlight Archive. It may even have to do with the riots in Kholinar sparked by Pai. Could the Oldbloods attempt to seize control of Alethkar again?

So would Lerasium still work on someone not native to Scadrial?

I already thought of that analogy for 4, and I disagree with it. Ice water shocks one of your senses. Flaring tin while wounded would overload your nervous system. Every single sense amplified at once, probably to painful levels, plus a painful injury. That would floor someone, not give them lucidity.

What follows is a list of things I have scratched my head at innumerable times as I read the Mistborn Trilogy... innumerable times. 1. How could Kelsier possibly have known that he had Snapped after Mare's death? Even is he did, where did he get the metals he used to escape? 2. How exactly do iron or steel lines interpret different metal objects? Supposedly a single line points to a single object, and a Push or Pull will affect the entire object. But close to the end of FE, Kelsier Pushes and Pulls the opposite ends of solid metal bars from a prison cart to deflect arrows. How? 3. I'm sure this one is a widely known answer, so if someone could fill me in, that would be great: How does Lerasium make someone an Allomancer? If you're supposed to burn a metal to activate it, how do non-Allomancers still get the effects? On a similar note, what happens if someone who is already an Allomancer, even already a Mistborn, burns Lerasium? 4. How, exactly, is flaring tin a good idea? Brandon has characters do it all the time to 'clear their head,' if they're waking up from unconsciousness or recovering from a hit. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but that seems to be a terrible idea. The whole reason the person is out of it in the first place is because of the pain, yet increasing it by flaring tin somehow 'shocks' them back to wakefulness? One would think that it would simply muddle their mind even further because of the wide range of increased sensory input. 5. How was Ruin able to change text while he was blocked by Leras? Supposedly, any time that Ruin tried to affect the world, the power of Preservation would push back, rendering him useless. I understand how he was still able to manipulate Spiked people, because they were attuned to his power, but he still shouldn't be able to move things around just 'cause. It makes even less sense that he was able to change the memories stored in Copperminds. One, they're metal, which makes it shine incredibly bright the Ruin, and two, there doesn't seem to be a way or explanation for a Shard to peek inside of a piece of metal and change things around. I hope someone on here who's an even bigger nerd than I am will help me figure this out.

But would that even work? Lifeless may not recognize the command after the wording is changed, or may interpret it incorrectly.

If I ever somehow gained control of a Lifeless, I would change its command phrase to 'command phrase.' Think about it. If someone managed to figure it out, they could control the Lifeless, but they would never be able to change the command phrase. The way to do that is by saying 'I give you a new command phrase: (insert words here).' If, however, the Lifeless responded to 'command phrase,' then when someone attempted to change it, they would simply stop the Lifeless from obeying new commands.