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Granted. Your memory gets significantly worse, but you can reach those delicious treetops now. I wish I was independently wealthy and did not have to work for a living.

Well, as one detail we know it's about Kinetic Investiture, so just possessing Stormlight or Breathes alone doesnt do it, but an active surge or I Awakening (I think) would. Im curious if a properly informed Lightweaver could mask or disguise that sense, or are they limited to Sight&Sound alone.

Do we have another Shin as a counterpoint, one that does identify with the direct relative? I could see it just as easily being an entirely common Shin thing where they only associate with dead ancestors rather than living relatives, not because of his specific shame but just because they dont call back to the living culturally.

Ya, I realize now this was an old misunderstanding of the Odium side that I never fixed in my head after those diagrams disproved it. I'd previously equated the nine Unmade with the Ten Heralds, and so Id made the assumption that Voidbringing was going to carry theme of Nine throughout, including lacking one order (of which Bondsmith made the most sense). But those diagrams make it look like there will be ten full orders and all the same(ish) surges. RE. Moash, I actually really enjoy his arc as a point of Comparison: to me he is precisely what Kaladin would have become without Syl, so exploring how dark a path that can become is interesting to me. Also, his new blade is one of the top three most interesting objects in the book, if I didnt know better Id say Odium knows how to do Type-IV awakening...

There's a question of Alloy vs coating in that case as well. Given that Alloys act wildly different, Id assume that you have to fully melt and mix the two metals before it would make a difference in the actual outcome effects, otherwise there wouldnt be a lot of difference between downing Bronze and downing both Copper and Tin. Also, fwiw Id rather be a full Feruchemist than a full Mistborn, but I agree that being weak at all is preferable over being decent at one.

Just because nobody has mentioned this very intriguing possibility, soooo....Vasher? Definitely has the "Screwed Up BIG in the Past" part covered

Wayne as an Edgedancer, mostly just as an excuse to give him and Lift as much stage-time together as possible. Wax as a Windrunner (Lashings combined with F-Iron have some fun possibilities). Vasher as a Bondsmith. Because multicultural Awesome! Sazed as a Lightweaver, I think the Ideals of personal Truths would be really interesting in his case (both before and after his ascension) Kelsier as a Stoneward

You mean how an active radiant's surges can ignore the plate but another Radiant cannot? I would chalk that up to the temporary nature of whatever it is that happens to Squires; they are clearly altered enough to get something from the bond, but not so deeply tied to it that the connection remains permanent or that their violating the Ideals would harm the primary spren the way it would for the Primary Radiant. Granted I dont really understand the nature of Squires or the distinction here so Im mostly speaking to observed behavior. EDIT: Also, does it have to be a maintained link to have keyed that identity in the Plate at the point of creation? Given Medallions Id think that would not have to be a continuing effect. To be clear I am picturing the process of these lesser spren turning to plate to be a little closer to Soulcasting a lesser object/spren than to what happens to the sapient-spren that enter's the Bond. So I see them getting keyed to their original Radiant spren because they are the original thing Investing in them, it would be an innate imprint just like with a Metalmind (meaning it would take extra steps to make an Unkeyed one, if thats even possible).

For what it's worth, I always imagined the process of creating Kandra and Kolos to be more of a Spiritual Frankenstien than that: Chop up 2-4 spirit-webs for donor parts, then splice them onto a base spirit frame, and voilà New Creature. I just firgured this was an example of the Philosophic limitations of a hexadiety, where Ruin can only approximate an act of Creation by doing something creatively Destructive.

I could honestly See it, if only because Dalinar's whole arc was one of redemption, of recognizing the worst in yourself and becoming better. We might just be seeing Moash pre- Rock Bottom. I have to thing we'd have hated the Blackthorn in many ways if we'd been introduced to him back in his heyday. I do not, however, think we'll ever see a Voidbinding equivalent to the BondSmiths, which I think is the missing Tenth Order that Voidbringing lacks. I really dont see Odium having or creating that sort of top-tier Godspren, rather I think he intends to always keep the reigns of things in his own hands.

Jumping in. Im new to this discussion, so forgive me if my idea is less original than I hope, this might all be well-trod ground. It might be a new theory, it might be an old discarded one, but it's new to me. Id long been a fan of the Shardplate=Lesser Spren theory, it made sense after we learned what Shards were, and it sure seemed like the indication we were being given in OB. From this discussion it sounds like the main points that run counter to that are that 1)Plate can Heal, and Via stormlight 2)Syl doesnt care like she does for Fabrial Spren, 3)dead plate doesnt scream like dead shardblades do, and 4)they kept that shape post-recreance. Did I miss anything? I think I have a theory that does not run afoul of any of those, and it feels encouragingly simple: The forth Ideal allows the Spren to summon Plate as the Spren-equivalent to Squires. Now, per WOB the blades scream because they remember what it is to be alive, but the defining trait of the lesser spren is that they do not have that sort of lasting memory and/or Self. They wouldnt be as detrimentally effected by the Recreance because they werent Bonded directly. However, we know that Spren, for example, have no set size until you Measure one, after which they hold that size thereafter; this indicates that they are very easily affected by outside Perception, and will maintain the imposed Changes until acted on again (Somehow both Newtonian and Quantum, I enjoy it). So if the last "form they were given was that of Shardplate, but the Spren responsible "disappeared" via the Recreance, it would make sense that the plate-spren, absent new "orders" from their radiant Spren, would just maintain the forms they'd solidified into, instinctively pulling Stormlight to maintain said form when needed. Not because they were killed and it's a screaming zombie-corpse, but just because they were never told to do anything else after they were Changed into these forms that have more specific Physical Aspects.

One thing to keep in Mind (I say because I struggle to do so) is that the Cosmere is Finite, it is not the typical Infinite universe/Multiverse idea of Endless Space. Per WOB there is a Finite amount of Matter and Energy in the Cosmere,

Depends on how much of the Shardblade functionality you are after. Any reasonably invested Spike or Metalmind will function as a Half-shard and be able to block shardblade attacks. Unkeyed/Unsealed Metalminds could reasonably approximate the Honorblades for all but the Shardic Spirit Attack. For that the closest thing that exists in the Metallic Arts is a Hemalurgic spike, but that would have as much to do with where you hit them as with what you are using to attack. And then if you are going for full sentient Sprenblade levels, I really think that will be outside the Metallic Arts as both Shards involved wouldnt be all that compatible with that sort of original Creation (Preservation likes what already exists, and Ruin doesnt make new things); the closest you might get is some sort of Kandra-Blade, but I think they'd still need biological components.

I think the Connection question could be answered depending on how it behaves with only one. My first reaction was to equate it to the metallic arts Compounding hack which has the concept that there is an internal "machine" that does the work, and a separate piece that is the Power Feed; so here is would be a matter of needing to Spike the actual Elantrian-ness (as distinct from Forgery or any other Selish magic), and separately spike a Connection to the world that would let you access the Dor. So what happens if you only have the Enlantrianism without the Connection? Would you get transformed into an Elantrian but only have access to the Door while on Sel? Or would the Spiked spiritweb Reject you because it requires Selish sDNA more specifically than most? That doesnt feel right, in comparison to Scadrial that's also inborn, but then that's a living hexadiety, not the selish zombiegodcorpsestorm that has it's own location rules. Would you get stuck half-way as we saw in the novel, which in many ways was an Elantrian without batteries? I think Id lean toward that, the scarred sigil mirrors the lack of energy access to me, though I think they described it less as a lack of energy and more as a partial transformation that was interrupted, so I couldnt say where the line would fall.

Im trying to wrap my head around how feruchemical healing would operate on a Kandra (having an innately more Fluid physical aspect than a human) and if it would be noticeably different ion any ways. For example, healing of pure physical trauma (the sort that doesnt actually threaten a Kandra, yes?) would need to be mimicked more than say chemical effects like Wayne using it to get sober real quick. Any such functional distinctions me might use as a litmus test? I personally dont think Wayne is a Kandra, though I find myself hoping he is the future father of the Half-Kandra race.

OK, so one Spike to reWrite your spirit-web to properly use the Dor, and a second Spike to provide the Connection actually access it?

I think there is a qualitative difference between Spiritual Damage and Spiritual Cracks needed for the Bond (or most any other Investiture). Damage is relative to your own (current) self-image, as evidenced by how it may or may not Heal away scars (depending on how much you incorporate them into your identity). Cracks, but contrast, have more to do with the overall Shape of the spiritweb, and per WOB is a much more abstract philosophic definition. Kaladin's "crack" is more or less a case of chronic Depression, but per WOB it becomes more a philosophic question of whether that is "damage" or just a feature of his personality. I think the short answer is that it Cant work that way, or else Gold Compounding would risk "healing" away your allowmancy.

My understanding is that the Elantrian upgrade involves a decent sized addition to your SpiritWeb (based on the WOB that there is more for a Spike to get from them than most). So that being the case, how much of all that can you temporarily "Store" before you'd actually have to carve the whole thing off via Hemalurgy?

I dunno, when that method/connection was broken they still didnt age, they just also didnt get the rest of their enhancement Package. To the OP: Short answer is that I think it would work, but only if the Soulbearer had first actually managed, separately and on their own, to get access to the other planet's Magic. In that I think it would be far easier to get to Roshar and obtain a Nahel Bond than to qualify for any of the Dor magics (Unless Spikes), which all seem to require you to be an actual native just like Scadrial (if for different reasons).

The term "Force" is both generic enough and descriptive enough that you be "allowed' to use it. I would personally avoid literally calling it "The Force" absent any of the modifier terms you mentioned (Elemental, Physical, etc); with them it becomes a descriptive school of magic, without it you risk the audience making unwanted connections (even if Lawyers arent going to come after you). But as long as you avoid the specific Jedi trappings (no opposing Light and Dark Sides as a good&evil allegory, for example) I think you'd be fine. The trick I think is that it you want to make sure the Audience doesnt think it feels too similar; even if the lawyers are appeased if the audience thinks it's too close (without being obvious satire/parody), you'll risk loosing them.

I think the Binder Of Gods is a reference to the fact that he is the prototypical Bondsmith which is itself a package of markedly godlike powers. That being said I would not be surprised if he were also more directly responsible for the emergence of the Radiant Orders via that BondSmith fiddling. Though it would be something that would have come after the cycle of Desolations began, I dont see it as predating Odium's binding.

Not something my brain is well wired to do but this could be good, so consider me a spectator.

Based on the OB letters, For me the question is whether the avatars are all created Equal. If they are equal chunks that are being scattered then Id anticipate them having full Autonomy from the rest. If on the other hand there remains a Prime hexadiety (Bavadin Id assume) then Id suspect that their Power could still be countered (either revoked/reclaimed or at least shut down) if they challenged the Prime directly.

OK, I can get behind that. I was considering it a practical distinction that wouldnt really matter because the more hostile method had clearly been used on more advanced Spren too (well, on an UnMade), but I can accept that the "subspren" are too animalistic, so the distinction between a hostile trap and loving domestication is more a matter of outside perspective. Especially with that Stormfather quote if they see that as the guiding distinction. That helps me with my Shardplate ruminations.

Honestly neither am I, Im more exploring the topic that presenting a cohesive theory, these are all new discussions for me. On the 9vs10 for Braize, you arent wrong at all but there's enough other Ten-ness everywhere else (as @DracostarA mentioned) that Im willing to entertain that the significance of 9 is more of a Odium Corruption of the Ten (especially with how it was a bit of an afterthought in that WOB). Spren are both, but Id argue they are still just imitating the function of the Honorblades, so I tend to consider the Radiant surges to be Honor's system. Oh wow, I did not know about that at ALL but I now see that The Silence Divine exists. I thought Ashyn was still just a big Mysteryball. So ya, that's my clear favorite for the "more esoteric" magic system in greater Roshar. Do we know When that was set? Would that have been before the Rosharan migration, or something more contemporary? I wonder if that disease-magic came with any of them, I could see Cultivation loving that sort of toy.