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It's worth noting that she doesnt destroy all heraldic religious stuff, she is specifically destroying images of herself and usually leaves the rest intact. That could be a giult thing, but Ive seen decent theories that it is specific to her madness. The idea is that all the herald's madness is an inversion of their associated Attributes, and she was the Herald of Beauty, known for Creativity and Honesty, who is now sneaking around destroying all records of her own appearance.
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That comparison doesnt fit, the steel is just more fuel, ie more stormlight, but still using a single Shardic Connection to channel the power (a Connection to Preservation for allomancy, or a Nahel Bond to a Spren). Having a second Spren and thus a second whole Nahel bond would be more akin to when a mistborn gets extra power after receiving a Spike of allomancy on top of their own existing abilities; they're getting two separate conduits to channel the power. So long as all three (two spren and radiant) agree on their interpretation of their Order's Oaths, their wouldnt be any conflict, same as if they were of different orders.
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They can, as that's more or less what happened when creating Harmony. However doing so means having to hold/tame multiple Intents, and that can be difficult per Harmony, and changes the host which is why Odium is uninterested. The other big thing is that the other shards would have to be nearby enough to do it, but they mostly settled on separate planets and the more they Invest in a place the harder and/or more catastrophic it becomes for them to leave. There's also the matter of their apparent non-intervention pact; if one of them started going around collecting shards, it would run the risk of prompting a response from the rest, possibly even more than just going around killing them.
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What is the Cutest thing in the Cosmere? Why?
Quantus replied to Karger's topic in Cosmere Discussion
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Awesome. Honestly, that sounds to me like it's less about any quirk of her memory and/or Art and more about having a crush on Kabsal and wanting to draw a picture of the two of them together. She hasnt needed to insert herself any other time that Ive noticed, and even there she said she rarely draws herself. Regrowth definitely has a much shorter time limit, and one that doesnt seem to vary quite as much as other instances of cosmere healing. When Renarin was healing the victims of the first Everstorm he could only heal the most recent damage, and I think at that point it had only been a matter of days. If it had been purely about self-image I think is struggle would have seemed more random rather that correlating so much to time. By contrast we've seen Squires heal themselves after a much longer time-frame. I think the distinction between healing yourself vs somebody else is where the difference would be, so for the purposes of this Truthwatcher resonance theory, Im guessing they'll be able to extend that limit. On Kaladin you are right, I was combining WOBs in my head. I was thinking of this one (cut for length), and was assuming that Kaladin's chemical depression would fall into the "genetic diseases" category, which may be way off base.
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What is the Cutest thing in the Cosmere? Why?
Quantus replied to Karger's topic in Cosmere Discussion
Oh come on! They are (by Rosharan standards) Cute, they have names, personalities, and at least one likes to play Fetch. And they are even called "Hounds"! If a parrot can be a chicken, an axehound can be a dog. -
Honestly I barely remember the scene, but I think it would depend on what her intent for that drawing was. Do you recall what the context was? In general the idea for the normal case of her perfect recollection drawing is really just that she is creating a Cognitive aspect for the completed work ahead of time (or at least the part that is based on some sensory input) and then she is able to "get it out" but making a proper Physical Aspect for it to attach itself to, which is why they come out perfect but she a) cannot really examine the image while it's in her mind, and why they come out at least as accurate as reality (sometimes more in the case of Unmade or Cryptics), as opposed to my artistic limit of pre-school crayon scrawls. She is still free to then just fiddle with it the old fashioned way with her normal artistic talents, which is what Im assuming she's doing any time she draws something that is not based on a Memory. That's all true (or at least my understanding of it) but that's more of an instance where Self Image is overriding things. Im thinking more in the instance specifically with Renarin's Regrowth use, where there is a time limit after which he cannot heal somebody's injury,exactly like Dalinar's I think is related to how there is a certain amount of lag between the Physical Realm and it's reflection in the congitive. Though it's admittedly odd to me that Radiant's and Squires dont seem to have that same time limitation that Regrowth has. My best guess is that there is a fundamental difference when it's your own Investiture healing yourself, vs healing someone (or something) else. In a general sense I think it's important that the Spiritual Ideal exists in the Spiritual Realm, where Time is barely a thing. This means that your Spiritual Ideal isnt just a snapshot of how you are Now, it's (theoretically) how you are at every point in your life, Past Present and Future, and it simply knows which version of you belongs to the Present. That's why (per WOB) Age and Health are separate things in metallic arts; so if a feruchemist has fiddled with his age and then heal himself, he gets healed to the new/younger template rather than his "actual" self. I figure it's also related to how cosmere healing has trouble healing age-related damage or genetic maladies, and I dont know how much Self-Image influences that side of things. Dalinar is feeling his age these days and being a Radiant isnt going to Repair that stuff, even when his Self-Image is likely still that of a much younger man. WOB has it that Kaladin isnt going to be able to heal away his Depression because it's more of a real-world depression due brain chemistry imbalance, and something he was born with. But if he became convinced that his Dark Times depression episodes where happening because something was "broken" and he rejected it strongly enough, would he be able to correct the imbalance?
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What is the Cutest thing in the Cosmere? Why?
Quantus replied to Karger's topic in Cosmere Discussion
I...think Ive lost track of your train of thought here. You said that there were no Non-Kandra Dogs in the Cosmere, which isnt true because they exist on Scadrial (and Roshar if you want to include their crustacean cousins the Axehounds). You said that none of the characters where dog people, but we have WOB of at least one that is. Then you said that there were no Named dogs. Im not sure where you are going with this. Are you just pointing out that there hasnt been a plot-relevant dog character yet? I was just making Dog-lover jokes, but Im confused now -
I like your train of though but Im not sure I like Impulse, just because it feels more of a reaction method than what Id call an Intent. To me it's like trying to call Instinct an intent, but I dont think that enough in the way of..Direction? Does that make any sense? So far he's has been described as Odium (defined in WOB as "the feeling of strong hatred, and that which provokes hatred from others"), Divine Hatred (by Frost), and Passion by himself (which I think is an example him having a blind spot for all the more positive types of Passion that wouldnt jive with Divine Hatred).
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What is the Cutest thing in the Cosmere? Why?
Quantus replied to Karger's topic in Cosmere Discussion
Impossible, all dogs have a default Name of "Good Boy", "Good Girl", or "Good Puppy" -
Awesome, thanks for the quotes. Excellent! I need the discussion to be able to get these things out properly, thanks. I think there are two different things going on there (both are arguably part of the Lightweaver resonance), but Im probably going to struggle to articulate it properly. What follows is pure theory: In the general case, A lightweaver's memory ability is an ability to create Art by Creating a Cognitive Aspect of the intended Art (usually a witnessed scene for Shallan) in the Cognitive Realm first, then they simply fill in the Physical aspect with the more mundane process of turning Paper (or a block of wood in Tien's case) into said peice of Art. So they take a Snapshot, which in the Cognitive Realm remains an internalized part of the themselves. Then they go out and find physical raw materials to anchor it to, at which point it would have it's own Bead in the cognitive realm and be a Drawing, rather than paper. This is why it is typically so photo-realistic. The Snapshot process is a realmic one though, which is why there are sometimes details that the Lightweaver wasn't consciously aware of (Cryptic stalkers, warping by an UnMade, etc). Based purely on their Name, I suspect that the normal Truthwatchers gets a more conscious version of that realmic perception from their version of Lightweaving. But we know from the in-world studies of Spren that Perception of a Thing can have implications on that Thing in a quantum sense, the way measuring those Firespren locked them to that measurement, etc. I think a Lightweaver can use this process to not just record something in the Cognitive Aspect of an Art, but use that Art to re-define the original (ie Soulcasting). So when we've seen her consciously Change a Snapshot picture of a person, she is making subtle alterations to that Cognitive Aspect record; and when the subject sees the picture and likes what they see, those changes get internalized; it literally and realmically Changes their Self Image. At that point it's basically Soulcasting being utilized in such a subtle and complex way that it's approaching Forgery, rather than the more primitive and/or brute-force Essences method. I think it is also related to how Shallan is fracturing her own Cognitive Aspect into multiple personalities, and I think it's telling that to do so she's always had to Draw her new Self first. Progression grants two powers that, at least over in the Metallic Arts, are separate things. Growth is about moving forward, it's basically accelerated Aging (ie Feruchemical Atium), while ReGrowth is about restoration of what was (ie Feruchemcial Gold) before it has settled into a given Change that has redefined it and becomes the new Truth of a thing. So under theory that Lightweaving is granting Lightweavers a certain amount of Realmic Perception (supported by the Truthwatcher moniker if nothing else), the idea is that when it's combined with Soulcasting it grants an increased subtly in Changing somebody, but when combined with Regrowth it grants an increased ability to restore the thing by being able to see deeper into their past. Though I should say that Regrowth has so far been pretty specific to Living things, so calling it "Object" reading is likely inacurrate
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fused [OB] Let’s discuss. How the Fused use Voidlight
Quantus replied to SzethIsBadAsHell's topic in Stormlight Archive
Not necessarily. Singers start hearing the Void rhythms after they take on any of the Forms of Power which come about by bonding to a corrupted/voids-spren, they dont actually have to be hosting a Fused Cognitive Shadow. By that data-point Id be guessing that things liek Stormform as being fueled by Voidlight, thought there would then be a bit of a Chicken Vs Egg question on the Everstorm.- 67 replies
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What is the Cutest thing in the Cosmere? Why?
Quantus replied to Karger's topic in Cosmere Discussion
Then they arent real Hero's! Also, Marsh is a Dog Person: And just to beat this horse to death in the name of our furry friends: -
What is the Cutest thing in the Cosmere? Why?
Quantus replied to Karger's topic in Cosmere Discussion
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Gemhearts coalesce inside Rosharan species in the same general way as Atium did on Scadrial. If such a species (say a Singer or a Greatshell) where born and raised on Scadrial, would their Gemheart still be a gem, or would Scadrial make it crystallize as a metal?
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By the WOB that @Elegy posted we know that he has indeed been stapled to his current body via a Spike, and we know that it is specifically not Spook's body. I think his clarification of "current Body" also implies pretty heavily that it is not his original body, but Ive seen that theory kicked around (his bones at least might have survived, for example). Another popular theory is that he's been stapled to a Mistwraith and is/was operating as some sort of pseudo-Kandra, which would be one way to explain why he looks like himself, scars and all. Or that he's been stapled to some random schmuck and his spiritweb is simply projecting his self-image the way Investiture healing does (ie like Kaladin's slave brands).
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The most recent published Hemalurgic Chart says aluminum "Removes all Powers", and it's worth noting that it says "Removes" where literally ever other metal says "Steals"
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fused [OB] Let’s discuss. How the Fused use Voidlight
Quantus replied to SzethIsBadAsHell's topic in Stormlight Archive
Woof, 2018 thread necro.. There's another possibility that I dont think has been mentioned: What if the Gem itself needs to be realigned to Odium before it can hold Voidlight. We know that the Everstorm did not recharge gems with Stormlight or Voidlight, but only per the Radiant's observations. We know the Fused are getting it somehow. And we know it is possible to get Voidlight into a Gem, since Galivar had one. And per the message in the Drawer, the Recreance-era Radiants had seen Odium supply it directly and later saw Ba-Ado-Mishram supplying it to the void forces. We also know that Gemhearts themselves represent a direct tap to the Spiritual Realm, which crystallizes Investiture into a Gem (per WOB its a similar mechanism to Atium bead formation). I suspect having that physiological Connection to the Spiritual Realm is what lets Singers naturally hear the Rhythms. So Maybe the gems (or perhaps their pre-harvest hosts) need to be re-attuned closer to Odium before they operate for Voidlight. So a Singer's Gemheart can utilize Voidlight only after they have been re-attuned and start hearing the Void-ish Rhythms. It would make some amount of sense for Odium to be taking the existing Investiture and re-calibrating it for his own use, the way he seems to be doing with the spren themselves.- 67 replies
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Here you go: As far as I understand it the changes that would grant you Allomancy or Feruchemy are both Spiritweb sDNA things, even though they are hereditary. Given how many things get their bodies grossly transformed by Spiritweb changes (kandra, Kolos, Returned, Singers) I think that if he changed his web the Body would follow, and the fact that his new body looks like him supports that (unless he's stapled to a Kandra/Mistwraith, I suppose)/ We do know per another WOB that the, or at least A Spike is what is holding his Spirit onto that Body (and that the body is not Spooks).
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Honestly this is a very new theory so I havent really explored it yet. Could you tell me what doesnt feel right to you? It the perspective would help. Do you happen to have a link to that WOB? I couldnt find it and Im curious to see the wording. It doesnt surprise me though, the Honorblades are supposed to band far less deep and thus be far less efficient. Oh, cool. I honestly couldnt remember if we'd seen it on-stage after Jezrien was killed.
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I suspect it has to do with the fact that singers have a Gemheart, which is itself a point of leakage directly from the spiritual realm that crystalizes into a chemically pure gem
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Shallan's photographic memory isnt the normal tropey sort, it has some specific quirks. She takes a Mental Snapshot, and can remember it in detail until she draws it, after which she no longer has it in her memory. I think the resonance at play here is that as a Lightweaver she is able to actually Create a new Cognitive Aspect of her future piece of Art, using her Lightweaving senses along with Soulcasting mechanisms. Then she comes back and uses her art to create a Physical aspect to anchor that Cognitive aspect, after which she looses most (but apparently not all) of her cognitive connection to it. I see this as a similar (if inanimate) version of how the Spren can Exist in the Cognitive Realm, but need something extra (a Radiant, a similar emotion or physical manifestation, etc) to pull them fully into the Physical Realm. Extending that (almost entirely unfounded) theory to a similar situation with Illumination and Regrowth, I think it could grant Psychometry (ie Object Reading), and possibly let the radiant restore that object past the normal time-limit. The biggest difference is that Soulcasting Defines a New Cognitive Self of a given target, whereas Regrowth Restores it's current True Self. So if Illumination+Soulcasting lets you define a wholly new Cognitive Aspect and then give it Form, Illumination+Regrowth look back and more directly perceive the true History of an object and restore it to that older "lost" Self. Just spitballing though, I have nothing specific to point to for support on any of that, and Renarin is a terrible case study anyway. Im not convinced there is that sort of absolute "Max" efficiency when you are talking about actual multiple Bonds. Per WOB, as you progress in the Oaths you get more efficient as "Consuming Stormlight" but "never as efficient as the Voidbringers, since humans leak too much." But two separate Bonds should still double (or at least increase) the overall bandwidth, regardless of the efficiency of the individual Bonds. Especially given how the Bonds are described as actually blending the two/three entities Spirtweb's together. I think it's a lot like Allomancy, which is throttled by a similar Bond to Preservation: A Spike of the same ability as your natural will always make you stronger at that power, regardless of your relative strength without it. I guess we'll have to keep a close eye on Nale, having both a Spren and the corresponding Honorblade is likely the closest we'll get to a dual Bond any time soon. Unless we see a Windrunner dual-wielding with the Honorblade. On that note, anyone know if Jezrien's Honorblade still works?
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What is the Cutest thing in the Cosmere? Why?
Quantus replied to Karger's topic in Cosmere Discussion
Oh, Dear god. Thank you for this, I needed it this week -
Per WOB That's how the Lord Ruler did it initially:
