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@Calderis Ill see if I can find any more compelling examples, I definitely had gotten that impression but now Im wondering if it was actually sourced in anything specific, or just an assumption. I really like your idea that some spren may well have simply sided with Odium voluntarily and without needing to be supernaturally manipulated into it. That would be very much on theme of subverting the assumed sides in this conflict, and as you say it's important to remember that spren are all basically just people, with their own priorities, loyalties, and grudges.

Im retty sure gods was the term used when Venli, Eshonai, and Demid were all talking about how the spren had turned on them in favor of the humans, but the context may have been vague enough that they could have been specifically tlaking about Honor and Cultivation, though I could have sworn they said something like "gods of sky and stone" that seemed much more like spren (even godspren) than the actual shards. One example I can find offhand is the listener Song of Secrets seems to use the terms "gods" and "spren" interchangeably.

@Child of Hodor I'd have to go back to OB when they were in Kholinar, but I thought the various corrupted lesser spren that appeared in the city had a pretty wide variety of coloring shifts from their uncorrupted counterparts, including a decent bit of green and red, no? As far as the Thundercasts, I agree they appear to be Fused that were further augmented so that they can create bodies from the stone directly rather than needing a Singer form. I am curious if there are any limitations on how they do that, for example do they need a Gem in the stone supply to act as a Gemheart, then gather the stone around them? Are they instead actually using some version of Stoneward surges that are pulling the stone around a less tangible form to create their giant stone shapes? Hell, given the resemblance to Chasmfiends, are that actually Fused that were made from something other than Singers, perhaps some intelligent crustacean like reshi islands, or maybe the Stormstriders?

I cant say specifically what the freed Parshman guiding Spren or Venli's "emissary" spren are corrupted versions of, we simply havent been shown enough of the natural spren to really be sure, but I dont know of any compelling reason to think they are qualitatively different from Glys. The Screamers were described as corrupted Windspren, I thought.

I like it. it depends on the particular spin you foresee on the Windrunner 4th. I lean toward it being more along the lines of "there are some battles I should not Fight" or maybe "I will Stand Aside to let others fight their Own Battles when I must", more than specifically "There are some people I cannot Save", but the difference is tiny.

Mostly just Odium's MO, he's been very resistant to Investing any more than absolutely necessary, as doing so further binds him tot the planet. With the caveat that "Voidspren" is often a frustratingly vague term that is used as a blanket phrase for anything Investiture-based that is on Odium's side and includes the Fused, which are just corrupted Cognitive Shadows of dead Singers, and UnMade which are implied by their Name and indications in the text (with the Midnight Mother at least) to have previously been something else that Odium Unmade and Remade for his own purposes. All the rest of the creatures called Voidspren seem to just be ordinary Rosharan Spren that have been corrupted by Doium via Sja-Anat, either the lesser spren that provide the Forms of Power, the Higher spren that were guiding the freed Parshmen and manipulating Venli, or Glys who seems to be one of those higher spren that simply managed to Bond a radiant. That would give Odium the same force without having to directly Invest as much of his own power, and would explain all the Red. To be fair I dont know if that has actually been confirmed anywhere explicitly, but that was definitely my interpretation. Agreed, that's the main reason I think there's a spren in there, it's the idea that Odium and the Everstorm are mirroring the Stormfather's previous relationship with Honor.

So far all his creations are implied to be made from pre-existing raw material investiture (Fused from dead Singers, UnMade being unmade and rebuilt from something, Voidspren being corrupted Spren) so Im guessing that he used a similar process with the Everstorm. My bet is that if there's a Spren in the Everstorm it was made by sucking up the souls/Cognitive Ghosts of all those Stormform Singers that died during its creation, and may well be eating more souls each time a Fused is reborn in it and evicts their hosts body's soul. I think (but certainly dont know for sure) that this sort of process would require less direct Investment and overreach from Odium than attacking the Stormfather directly.

I think the critical thing they were copying was the Nahel Bond itself, which the the honorblade do accomplish but in a much more limited and shallow way. The Godspren's historic resistance to forming a blade is (I suspect) more due to the fact that they (or at least the Stormfather for certain) already have a very specific physical manifestation, so to form a blade would be to diver t their physical aspect away from the storm itself

huh, I never considered the defection angle. I'd been mostly assuming the Sibling was bonded at the time of the Recreance and was injured in the same way as the Maya and the other eyeless shardspren.

On the topic of the number of Unmade being Fixed: that doesnt necessarily mean that there can't be any new UnMade, it could instead means that there are somehow only a Fixed number of UnMade "Slots" and to get a new one requires that Odium loose, sacrifice, and/or destroy one of his existing ones. For example, if the Everstorm is a new one, maybe he destroyed one of the ones we havent seen to use as raw materials. Or maybe one of the UnMade defecting to Team Honor would free up a slot to create a new one.

I actually dont think so in the case of Plate, as long as it's fed enough stormlight you can regenerate an entire set from a tiny single piece, so they could easily experiment on one sacrificial chunk and then regrow it.

Granted, your brain now naturally produces a cocktail of cocaine and methamphetamine. You dont sleep, but are...rather twitchy. I wish Bacon Cheese Fries where healthy.

Question: Does dismissing a Lashing (as opposed to letting it run down on its own) recover the Stormlight used? Lightweavers can recover the Stormlight used in an illusion so they dont burn through their supply as quickly, does Gravitation work similarly?

For what it's worth, the Coppermind currently describes it basically as a resonance effect using both Tension and Adhesion Surges to pull the Realms together. But I have no idea who wrote that, and the reference they use is this same Idaho Falls WOB so I think they were jumping to a few conclusions there.

Indeed, Adolin mentioned it at one point. I want to say it was in WoR when he stabbed his into the cliff to stand on it, but I cant find the passage.

Probably not, at least not without overpowering it with prohibitively huge amounts of power (as in sliver/shard levels). The Plate provides an Identity-based protection, which is why you cant lash through somebody elses Plate but you can penetrate your own. Presumably it block the other surges in the same way. EDIT: Oh wait, you are talking about a bubble made of the blade, not Plate. Hmm, I think that would still have a similar effect, since the Nahel Bond is a merging of the radiant and spren into a single being at the Spiritweb level, their Identities would likely be blended enough to not offer resistance/interference.

Nah, let's go with "Kar-Menn", who I choose to believe has a pair of friends named San-Dii and Eh-Gho

Oh, that's confirmed in OB. They migrated from Ashyn when they destroyed too much of it, and settled in Shin (as in A-shin) which was prepared for them and supported their native ecosystem; it's why things like horses, pigs, and chickens all come from Shin. For what it's worth, we also learned recently that the Heralds were alive during this exodus, though they were not yet Heralds at that point.

For what it's worth, Syl basically confirmed in the text that the Singers were on Roshar before the Humans arrived, way back at the beginning of OB: She said they have two genders now, as a result of how people view them, but mentioned in an offhand way that the oldest spren had four (like the singers) "Because humans didnt imagine those ones, silly". I thought is was a slick bit of foreshadowing when I spotted that on a reread. The Shash bit between Roshar and Nalthis at least has been asked and he confirmed it was coincidence. That being said we do know that there's been some significant worldhopping and communication between the two, at least with Nightblood and the Five Scholars, and a prophetic painting or two. And in Doylistic terms, Warbreaker was originially concieved as a backstory book for characters that where in the early Stormlight drafts, so there's likely to be more crossover than with most.

Granted. It consistently works at 10 DPI I wish for a cure to all illnesses

Im going with Willshaper on the belief that they are more likely to lean toward the technical creativity and/or engineering side of things, and because Transportation seems like a wildly interesting Surge to have. But since we know very little about them I reserve the right to change my mind later on.

The idea was that it took a Bondsmith/godspren to charge the whole thing directly, but any old radiant that can breath Stormlight into and out of gems could power individual sub-systems from a supply of Infised gems the way Shallan did initially to get the Oathgate going. Otherwise the design horribly inefficient to me to have the Core buried so deep underground and not close enough to be charged by the storms directly. It would still need a huge supply of infused gems to keep the whole place running and make regular use of all ten Oathgates, and it would still shut down during the Weepings which are longer than most Gems' storage duration. Which is why I think it's actually two separate abilities, even though his response made a lot of people think that all Bondsmiths were capable of the Unity perpendicularity that he pulled of at Thaylen Field.

If designed in a perfect world with no constraints or limitations, sure, nobody wants to design a system with obvious weaknesses or limitations. They may not have had that luxury. Regarding the possibility that it was originally designed with the Heralds in mind, for all we know it was originally intended as purely a Desolation Outpost, not some big seat of secular power during peacetime, and also by the end of the desolations they were coming ever ten years or so, meaning it would not have gone long without that power source, and we have no idea when they figured out that the Bondsmiths worked as a substitute (assuming that theory is accurate, anyway). And again, it is clear that they can run some and perhaps all of the cities systems without a resident Bondsmith and/or godspren by infusing that subsystem's gems individually, which takes a lot of effort and gems, and requires active Radiants to transfer the stormlight from gem to gem, and in the case of the Oathgates also requires a living Sprenblade.

They may not have had a choice in the matter, but like I said they seem to be able to power individual subsystems independently without that resident Bondsmith doing something specific, so it appears that it's not an all or nothing proposition. For that matter, that final generation with a single Bondsmith was long after the Last Desolation when the Heralds went into hiding. I think it's equally possible that urithiru was originally designed to be powered by a Herald (who where originally more directly fueled by Honor) and the Bondsmiths were simply the closest thing the Radiant's had when that resource was lost.

Hard to say, he just said "Dalinar had been able to summon the strength to overcharge him with Stormlight, though it was obviously exhausting to do so." That to me sounded different, both more exhausting and more targeted. So in light of WoB I suspect he's learned the more traditional version that Bondsmiths past have been able to do, one that isnt flirting so close to Ascension, whereas the UNity moment created a far bigger and more lasting effect, holding the gateway open to give everyone around a temporary but basically unlimited amount of stormlight. The bigger hang-up I had was that he'd previously asked the Stormfather if it was possible for him to charge gems without the storm and the Stormfather wasnt sure. But then, the Stormfather has an odd perspective when it comes to Memory, saying things like "Once you did it, I always knew" regarding the healing stone power. When Dalinar asked the stormfather if he knew what else he was capable of, the stormfather said he would know once Dalinar did it. I think this is the Stormfahter's version of the cognitive decline that other spren experience when the gain & loose the Bond, he doesnt regress as far as Pattern or Syl, but he does loose the specific memories relating to being a Bondsmith's spren. So he has the memory but cant access them until the Bondsmith firgures it out on their own and unlocks it, like some sort of suppressed memory. You arent wrong, thought any lynchpin position is going to be risky in that regard, even Generals and/or Kings, and especially in wartime. I think it would depend on whether one of the other godspren had a candidate in mind, since it would all come down to how quickly they can be replaced. At least for short periods I suspect the other radiants could feed individual subsystems with stormlight manually, the way they are doing now. Makes me wonder how the three used to go about Choosing their candidates. This time around the Stormfather had a specific duty/promise to fulfill in delivering the Visions that Tanavast had prepared, even though he was clearly not enthusiastic about the Bond, and presumably that wasnt a factor in the past. I curious how his previous MO would differ from the other two. For example, I wonder if the Nightwatcher likes to meddle with her candidate first, granting some Boon/Curse combo that she feels would make them a better Bondsmith.