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That's, more or less, what I meant. There's a few of these things where it looks like BS started out with a sort of "maybe" attitude; you know, where he's given vague or complicated answers and then years later has, more or less, clarified the position into a solid state which is sometimes contrary, to some degree, to his initial statement(s).

Ahhh. Sorry. Hrm. Hrm. I think you're right, but I'm pretty sure the various atium shadows will change, they will disappear and alter themselves as part of the future feedback effect. Further, I'd guess that at any given time there'd be multiple atium shadows that could touch you, because there are so many things an opponent could do. But escaping from effective distance would work to keep you safe, for sure.

This seems like another of those things that BS has yet to make up his mind about. Or, rather, he had one opinion then changed it.

Please don't think I'm discounting your opinion. Your angle is valid. The thing I like about theorycraft is that so long as you don't omit data or get something you tend to have a workable and cool idea. Right on. Totally possible and I wouldn't be surprised at all if it happened thia way.

Hmmm. How is the best way to explain this. . . I think that Nale, being corrupted, will likely further lead Szeth down a dark path that might end with him being Odium's champion. In this, I think he will be inadvertently continuing the work that the Parshendi and Taravangian started by using Szeth as the Assassin in White; a path we know has compromised his sanity, possibly drawn Odium's attention and caused him to hate his victims. By the end of this next arc, Szeth might willingly accept Odium's...patronage. He will be, after all, a man who is hated across the world and who will have, possibly, destroyed the very culture whose laws he once valued over all else. Presuming that the death of the Stone Shamans does this. Presuming this. What else is there for a man like that but to give up entirely?* I don't think Nale necessarily plans this or wants this, but could facilitate it nontheless. For all I know, Szeth's next arc might end with him killing Nale and embracing his status as Odium's champion. *notably, this is just a theory. I have many more, there's really hundreds of ways this could go.

I totally agree with this Spool. Also...

They say... I will survive. ... .. . I'll just show myself out.

I don't think we know. The ultimate defeat of ruin is possible, and certainly not beyond Hoid's plans, but I don't thibk this is it. Ultimately, I think Hoid wanted The Lord Ruler dead so he could steal the atium without a fuss. I don't know if Rashek is a match for Hoid, but of all the mortals we've seen he's probably the closest. It helps, however, that he doesn't need to kill Hoid, just stop him from taking the Lerasium.

What do you call a pewter ferring who makes his own beer? A Brewt.

Excellent question, I'd answer it but it looks like cuimhne already did... So yeah. Pretty much this. Basically I follow the Corrupted Heralds theory and I think that Nale is serving Odium by his actions if not by his intent.

That could be pretty cool. Do you have the quote on hand by any chance? It does kinda make sense as Roshar seems to be the most highly invested and "different" of the worlds. Interestingly enough. Given Zahel being on Roshar it is almost certain that not only does Nalthis have a worldhopping mechanism, it might be an easier method than that of the others. Perhaps it has to do with Zahel being Returned. Unless... he just uses a shardpool.

I'd be interested in joining as Awakener if the team is still recruiting and the RP still being considered?

This makes sense to me. I think it'll take some time, if ever, for Szeth to reorient himself toward a healthy mental state. It's worth noting he was rather insane before he died, and suddenly finding out that the reason for his status as Roshar's Number One Murderer is faulty is hardly going to help that. Adding Nightblood into the equation isn't really a stabilizing element and I really don't think Nale has his (or anyone's) best interests at heart.

I don't know if the current Oathgate system could be used as such, maybe with some very heavy modding. But I think that given some advancements it should be possible to apply the same theory to make a gate between worlds. Of course, we'll all be gobsmacked when in SA 5 everyone uses the Oathgates to go to Braize.

Whoops. I was replying to someone who posted today, I don't always check the time stamp on earlier posts. So, seriously, you want to 'alert' someone, alert them. I assure you they care more than I.

Yeah, this. Either that or #1

Haha I know that. I covered it above. I just get tired of saying exhaustive stuff like "things only have one atium shadow, unless it's aluminium, then they don't have any at all, and if you also burn electrum or atium there's a heap. Also you can shadowsplit and use someone else's atium burn to respond to their future knowledge to split your shadow." See, I was responding to Life, as my impression of what he was saying was that people naturally have multiple atium shadows such that any action a person takes must follow one of them. Whereas we know that to split a shadow, you need to have some future knowledge or reaction.

I think if they did this like, say, the Marvel universe it'd work. Go SA1 MB1 WARBREAKER SA2 MB2 Elantris MB3 Etc. Especially given the rate Sanderson writes at, new books would be available pretty much as they were made into movies. Take into account stuff that is unpublished right now, and we've a really robust skeleton.

Your definition is more or less what I took it to mean. TOtC is right though, so far as I know this hasn't been the topic of discussion so there hasn't been a consensus yet.

I'm pretty sure people only have one atium shadow unless they, themselves, are burning atium or electrum.

I think we sort of already know this, There's (1) using aluminium. Which we know can't be predicted. There's (2) brute force, or super speed, or throw grenades around someone such that they couldn't escape the blast, etc. Basically, overwhelm the limits of either the atium's ability or the human's body. There's (3) Vin's trick, react to the atium user. There's (4) use electrum. There's (5) catch the atium user unawares, sleeping, or by surprise. Remove the atium from the equation. There's a final (6) of using a weapon that gives no visual cue. I'd say (7) as well, put the atium burner in a position where burning atium doesn't allow an advantage. We see this with Yomen, he only burns atium after Elend releases him. To weigh in on this; I think the issue here is that for the purposes of atium, a path is set unless someone uses atium, uses a response to the atium (Vin's trick) or burns electrum (also a form of future-sight). To clarify, under normal circumstances, an atium shadow is not a prediction, it is a fact. If you see someone raise their hand, every time this future will occur, they will raise it. If you see a bullet fly through your chest, you know someone has shot you. Now physics isn't my specialty, chemistry is closer, so forgive me hijacking your metaphor, but I'll use halflives instead, but my understanding is that, for instance, in radioactive decay you know that half the radioactive particles will decay in a given unit of time, and half of these will decay in the same amount of time again. You do not know, however, which particles this will be. If you were to link each atom to a gun, somehow, such that each time an atom decays the gun fires, an atium user could still predict them because they know the future. It doesn't matter that it hasn't happened yet, because it will. So I don't think probability or randomness matter, the only things that do matter are capacity to see the future on the behalf of the opponent, or if the object is realmatically complex (such as aluminium). We even get an idea of this from SA where we know that seeing the future is like watching a mirror breaking, the near can be foreseen to an extent, the very far is a conditional guess, or mere possibility. Atium is the super-near, and thus it's concrete unless countered by an appropriate force. Yes.

Well, I didn't say they did so I'd guess we'll have to agree to disagree. To clarify, I think Statham does a better conman than killer.

You're not mistaken, it happens. Also overall I don't mind this Kal. He's a little too clean and too...noble? To me Kal should lool like a killer, it's not what he is, but it is how he is perceived and perhaps more importantly hos he sees himself. There should be a hardness, a grim anger and a vulnerability.

Not at all, this was a tired Vin with extremely limited metals fighting a dozen of the most dangerous combat creatures on Scadrial, maybe in the whole Cosmere, at the time. She does an extremely reasonable job considering just how outgunned and outmatched she is. Basically, if she survived a fight like that for more than a few seconds, she's achieving something, something that pretty much no one else we've seen could have done. It's a pretty good look at just how good Vin is that she's not immediately torn to pieces, and she even lands a few good hits. Indeed, the real 'defeat' happens once her metals run out. Most people, Kelsier included, struggle to fight a few Hazekillers, let alone a team of Allomancers (which Vin does twice in WoA), let alone what amounts to a team of superpowered Mistborn. Don't get me wrong, I like Kaladin, but unless you start to weigh things in his favour (like making them fight in a stormlight rich environment, depleting the area of metal) it's pretty hard to see him winning this. I'd guess that in a completely depowered setting Kal would likely have the edge, he's relatively strong and probably better in a stand-up fight, but this assumes maximum will-to-kill. Failing this, I think Vin would win, because Kal hates to kill people and Vin can justify it to herself more easily. Yus.

Realistically, I don't know who beats Vin. She's supremely skilled among even mistborn, and quick witted enough to pick up things and capitalize on new opportunities in a way most Sanderson characters aren't. Like, by TFE she killed mistborn as a rookie, even in WoA she fights a Zane burning Atium and wins and in HoA she fights a dozen Inquisitors at once. Plus she's ruthless, pragmatic and opportunistic in a way that most other Sanderson characters just aren't. Kel would be a fairer fight for Kal, but even then, there's too much that boils down to where and how much investiture are available.