The One Who Connects

I swear that I remembered reading a WoB about how her not getting pregnant during their time together was evidence that contraceptives were known and used during Era 1, but for the life of me, I cannot find it.

Thank you for this little snippet. No idea how I missed this before, but that may very well make dgenio8's population genetics concept easier for me to handle. I decided to look into this. r/AskHistorians has a fascinating collection of info on the subject. It appears that I have underestimated both Rome and Elendel.

I looked at the WoB's, and they only say that he could have been broken in different ways. No mention of different people, but either way, I still like your motivation for Leras idea.

You should look at the WoB's I linked earlier. Hoid did not take it, nor did he swap the blades, but he may know that a swap happened.

Quoth Brandon, Misting type is determined at birth. I believe it is still largely random as Oversleep says, otherwise the Era 1 Nobility's political habit of hiding who had what powers would seem somewhat out of place if they knew. On a side note, I'm looking into combination and permutation again because genetic recombination is a bit beyond me for now

Here, Question 30 Same place, question 35

I don't mean to imply that he is the sole source, but having a Mistborn with 12 kids is a good starting place. On the subject of 5 million people however, I noticed that the Elendel map is measured in miles. It is about 7.5 "mile squares" across. A circle with a diameter of 7.5 miles has an area of 44.178 square miles. That means that the city has an area of roughly 44 sq mi, counting the canals and the Field of Rebirth. A city that small cannot easily have a population that large without quite tall buildings. 5,000,000 people / 44.178 sq mi = 113,178.5 people per square mile For reference, Manhattan had an estimated population density of 72,033.2 in 2015, and Manhattan is a vastly different city than Elendel. If Elendel could manage with the same population density, it would have a population of roughly 3.182 million people. It would still be a lot of people for Spook's bloodline to have any meaningful effect on, but anything is possible.

That takes time to do, and isn't nearly a large enough change to be counted as as Savanthood.

Source Source It's a different blade than the one Taln had in WoK. (They are even described differently iirc) Source Hoid did not switch the blades out, but he may be aware that they are switched. We don't know if his blade was real, but we assume so. There was indeed a swap, but we don't know who.

Indeed it is. Brandon has said that due to the lack of Lerasium input, Mistings are rarer, and Mistborn almost unheard of. In my opinion, the prevalence of Mistings/Twinborn in the Elendel Basin is largely due to Mistborn Spook having over a dozen children. He/they helped keep the Allomancy genes more prevalent.

It's.. kind of a mix actually. I implied that the Lerasium's "boost" was an unnatural input in the system, and the system is trying to rectify itself. I based this upon the fact that the reappearance of Mistings only happened after about 300 years into the Final Empire. (I cannot remember where I heard this from) But I'm not too surprised that it had a genetic component, but as that would be almost impossible to easily keep track of, I want to avoid involving it too heavily unless necessary. My choice of exponential decay is because the parent function graphs out nicely with the few limits that were known at the time. Polygene and QTL is a bit beyond freshman year biology, but it can't hurt to learn. I swear I'm gonna get a degree just off of what I have to learn about different subjects. It's no problem, gives me things to learn about. If you want to explain your idea in more detail, by all means do so.

Despite having participated in that topic in the past, I had forgotten that point. It would put a slight damper on the whole natural decay concept, but that's how life works. It.. could still work out smoothly, but it would either need a lot of assumptions, or take a lot of questions just to satisfy my own curiosity. The general concept that the maths tab was based on is that as a "natural" system, Allomancy would, over time, try to revert back to its natural pre-Lerasium state. As an assumption, it implies that Wax/Wayne's era is largely similar in Allomantic strength to Alendi's time. Regardless of the man-made bumps it took along the way, that should still hold, if a bit quicker than letting nature take its course. Does that assumption seem reasonable to you? Either way, I apologize for not being as clear in the starting post. Proofreading is apparently not my strong point

Forewarning... this thread serves multiple purposes. (Unless I get persuaded to split them up later, you never know) As anyone who took an interest in the mechanics of Allomancy would know, someone who burns Lerasium becomes a powerful Mistborn. But that power weakens across the generations up to a point. This point, at which average Allomantic power will not get any weaker, has been reached by Era 2. This thread is designed to serve both as a chart comparing the relative power of Allomancers over the generations, and as a mathematical discussion of the weakening of average Allomantic power as it drifts away from Lerasium. Maths Tab Originally, I speculated that the power loss between generations was a steady, even decline each generation. This presented several problems, and one of them led to that equation (y=mx+b) being scrapped. The issue with that equation is that the decline does not stop and level out like it has on Scadrial. Now, I am considering an exponential decay equation, as the slope will even out eventually. If someone has a different base formula that works as well, please suggest it. Now, onto the other important markers on the final graph. As the power weakens over the generations, it seemed logical to figure out how many generations had passed from Lerasium to Wax/Wayne. The Lord Ruler died in 1022 FE. I assumed he needed a year to set everything up and select the original Allomancers after using the Well. The Empire fell a year before the Well refilled (1024 total), hence 1022 yrs of Final Empire. Sazed ascends shortly after Vin's death in 1025 FE. Assuming that since Wax is part of the weakest generation, we only need the time gap to his birth date, which is 299 PC. This makes the total time-gap from Lerasium to Wax roughly 1324 years. I leave people to theorize while I read up on exponential decay and come up with an equation that I can easily explain and/or understand. Power Level Chart To be added, formatted and updated later Base Rules for now: Era 1(Vin) is stronger than Era 2(Wax/Wayne) Era 2 Flaring may be stronger than Era 1 Baseline Duralumin Burn beats Lerasium Baseline (Elend) Elend with Duralumin is more or less The Lord Ruler Baseline Both a Spiked individual and a Savant can pierce a Coppercloud, while Flaring cannot. Assumptions: (Until Brandon says yes or no on the subject) Savant Baseline is stronger than Flaring (hasn't been expressly confirmed yet) Mist-Fueled Elend/Marsh equates to Mistpoint Mistpoint is the strongest that an Allomancer can be Source Tab Since I cannot use superscript, things that are sourced to a WoB will have the number in parentheses. Final Notes Credit goes to Robardin for creating the original list that spawned this idea. I'm sorry Jondesu, but they're still just called Power levels for now.

Reminds me of a plot point of a different Sanderson Book. Makes me feel that it's less likely, but it's well within his writing ability to make it vastly different from one series to another.

You linked a different user Yata. The Shard doesn't let us only link first names, we have to do the full name

If I understand that right, you are thinking that since Investiture will become sentient if it spends enough time on its own, he has a "vessel" for the sole purpose of consolidating all of his power in one place, rather than a physical person ascending to extreme power. Maybe that's just my interpretation

If you can find some form of reasoning that makes those abilities fit into "expanded temporal and/or spiritual effects", then I see little reason to dispute the idea unless I come up with my own later on

I may be playing devils advocate on a small scale, but I don't think it would be that difficult to lash something so that it exits orbit. Largely because needing enough understanding to exit orbit requires enough understanding of "orbit" to begin with. Currently, there is no easy way that they could be holding enough Stormlight to lash something out of orbit, but if they did have enough? All that they would need is for them to envision lashing an object "towards the sky" or any visualization that is "not downwards."

I have 2 ideas for why not. 1st being that it isn't finished yet so we are waiting to see how it ends. (We have Stormlight casting when it isn't done so probably not. The 2nd idea is more likely: Era 1 has been out longer so it's more likely to be made into a movie first.

Theoryland on Chronology. Jan 21, 2015 Oct 9, 2015 (1) (2) There may be others on reddit or somewhere else, but this is what I can find with the Cosmere Chronology tag. Edit: the point of this is that they are from a year and a half to 2 years ago. If you find something more recent, point it out as it overwrites older predictions

Thank you for this. I knew I remembered reading that somewhere

To everyone on this thread, make of this old confirmation statement as you will... again. There's a physical picture of the book inscription near the bottom of the page. I feel that it implies he had a host vessel, but that's just my opinion.

As per Brandon, you could store the strength granted by F-Pewter in a Pewtermind, but at that point you may as well compound. So.. I think you could store some of the speed granted instead of pewter-dragging, maybe the health too but that I am unsure about. On the other subject, I largely agree with Yata. I think that the only difference between Feruchemists has to do with their physical qualities. A sick person can't store as much health as a healthy person, a heavier person gets a "larger" storage out of storing 100% of their weight than a lighter person, perhaps a sprinter might have some minuscule edge at storing speed than the average person.

I feel like this one was something of a trust exercise. The Unmade/their gods showed them how to attain this form to kind of set up positive relations. When the Parshendi "defied," they moved to more controllable forms, as demonstrated with Stormform. Their gods would get to maintain a "we're being merciful and still helping" standpoint even if they really aren't helping. And as a form that let them resist, perhaps they marked that down somewhere in their songs. There is still enough unknown space for them to have made a second stanza on something that important. Considering how few of the forms they can currently find and get reliably, there should be a good reason for remembering Nimbleform beyond just "stand-in scholars."

And here I was thinking it'd be different events/challenges for each power, but your idea sounds kinda fun to watch.