Kasimir

Sir Hmm. Ngl I think it's possible depending on the profile (reactivity) but I'm willing to accept the boldness issue for the moment and push elsewhere. Will fix vote when I am not hopping trains

Any chance you can link me to the interaction? I might need to read again. Sry crossing train platforms atm. Wrt Aeo — wary null. Liked ease of posts. Feels unconcerned with how perceived. No real credit however for interaction with the voting issue. Probably townlean atm and would not C1. Usually good to pressure test Aeo but sometimes just feels cruel ngl

The retaliatory vote I mis-credited to Wierdo was from Weaver. On assumption of a new Elim profile, it's one of the votes that caught my attention. I'll try to get it in in time as I gtg rn

Let me put it this way. Ties are great until EoD. The bigger a tie, the worse it is because unless you think majority of the tie candidates are Elim, this just implies a bad result for Village and Elim complacency. On re-reading, I've discovered I conflated Wierdo with Weaver and am now considering a cheeky Weaver pivot. EDIT: Kas and Aet not E/E ig wtaf is this chaos I'm not certain, no. Ripple effect exists for a reason but I can try to do the multi-quote. Part of my mentioning it in thread is precisely to get thoughts

My personal Wierdo take is that I normally wouldn't D1 them for what reads like new player sheeping but this D1 being the way it is, I'm less concerned about pushing for what read like a kneejerk retaliatory vote—which falls within the boundaries of a new Elim sort of profile. I am not too willing to go for Cash but this has to do with Cash pushing for a Villager exe on the misunderstanding of the Lover rules, which doesn't feel like a push an Elim intuitively wants to be caught making. The misunderstanding felt genuine. My issue with Kidpen is that this is the second time Kidpen has made a slightly odd comment: A. wincon, B. "we automatically lose" if a Heretic gets exed D1. I shrugged at Kidpen's explanation for the first point (technically correct but uncommon way of thinking for many V imo, fair enough) but the second time makes me squint harder. I'm aware Drake detests slip arguments because it's easy to Ripple effect a player but it's worth making the murderpuppy scream I'm not willing to vote Aet, Archer, TUA, Cash D1. I can probably be persuaded into others.

No strong feeling about Spark. If forced, I'm inclined to switch to Wierdo. I go back and forth about how I feel wrt Cash's derp. Agree it is possible E!Cash could misunderstand too but I still kinda like it. The misunderstanding feels genuine and I think pushing to murder a Villager on that basis is a little bold?

EDIT: Raven feels unusually timid at this point. I need to do a comparison to confirm my thoughts on this but feel that this is something to keep an eye on going forwards.

I was waiting for more people to chime in to talk about this. Largely, it's because I believe pushing to exe an Elim D1 in this ruleset comes more from a Villager mindset, but I didn't want to make my view clear before seeing if it was possible to get more people to sound off. I do think TUA's suggestion probably emerges from a Village mindset as well due to situationality (weakly; re-evaluate if TUA's voting is suspect subsequently.) Exeing a Villager deliberately D1 cedes pressure and tempo to the Elims in a 12-player QF. While we usually don't expect D1 exes to be successful, setting them up for failure by choosing a Villager does the Elims' work for them. In light of that, I am inclined to give Village credit to the players who prefer to keep pushing. I feel Elims would be content to allow Village a self-pwn here. This should include Archer, though I'll re-read in transit. @Kidpen I don't really understand your response and multi-quoting across pages on mobile ain't great. Basically I don't feel your response addresses my question RE: why you would say it makes it harder for us to win. This is the second time you've made a weird statement that feels like it's coming from an Elim perspective. Kidpen. RE: Apology salmon — what is this depravity WHY are we cooking Dawntrue's sacred animal y'all smhhhhhh

I just glanced before trying to go back to sleep and I cannot even Is this an Elim slip Why the heck is the first vote being for a Heretic in any way a loss for the Village Who is this us here Why.

Sorry, I don't like you that much (j/k) This seems to tacitly imply a degree of credence in my alignment I'm sceptical of, particularly given you just mentioned you wanted to force me to burn my PM. It could, which is why I don't want to overcredence, yes. I still am comfortable with the current mild lean. For everyone: Remember you can get a vote tally from Tallybot here! Drake has updated the bot AFAICT. (Not running it rn because I need to get actual sleep.)

Beats me. I can't help you if it's a theory we're E/E, and I think I'm willing to see as plausible a theory E!TUA just suggests it because he has some decent risk tolerance and suggesting is cheap, but apart from that, I also am not sure E!TUA commits to wanting to wrestle me in the thread for the rest of the game. You could argue the LG might give him confidence, sure, but I also kinda think preferences tend to be a bit stronger than that. Either way I don't ascribe high confidence to the read. I just note it's where my brain is at at this particular point in time. Singular. Still interested in your reasoning here, s'il vous plaît!

Works for me, thanks! I'm downgrading my personal confidence in early TUA reads since the last LG, but this feels like it emerges from V!TUA psychology rather than E!TUA given his predilection for using the NK on me. I agree with the V!Aet read. Like a husky I will scream if asked to share my reasoning

Any chance you can clarify this element of your thought process then? Thanks!

Edited to add: I guess what I'm asking is - if at the time of your recommending Archer, you figured it would give him special powers, why not vote him then? What's the timeline between your interaction with TUA and realising the impact of the D1 exe? Why? You and me both... -.-

Lemme just get this straight. You initially agreed because you thought it gave Archer special powers. Then, you presumably went to read the rules and discovered that it just sorta soft-kills Archer, and figured, nah, you'd pass?

So how does this detrimentally interact with your wincon?

So if you are not voting out a Villager, then why are you suggesting making Archer a Returned?

I'm just curious why you'd poke rather than stab. Knowing it's a poke dilutes the vote's utility and creates expectations. Uhhhhhhh what? Why do we need to identify all three Heretics? @DrakeMarshall Doesn't the flipped heretic no longer count to wincon, therefore the last two are still Lovers? I was considering giving some Village points for the suggestion, but I actually think it might be just slightly in your Elim range, so I'm conflicted. I have further thoughts on the issue but am considering keeping them to myself for the moment. This is weighted by the fact I have an appointment in the morning so might not be available as readily as I'd like to drop them. But you don't vote Archer. Interesting. Considering an Elim lean here. I like contested votes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ They usually are more indicative than if we just kinda agree. Sure we can say get a good pivot-free margin, but I'm usually a fan of contestation and having to persuade others because it shows where your priorities are. Edited to add: @Cash67 Is there any reason you assume we have three Heretics?

Add a *screams* here and it may well be a husky meme. How do you feel about achieving vampiric immortality and godhood? Edited to add: Is there a reason you're tacitly ascribing a positive read valence, however mild, to conflict avoidance?

What kind of Sinkie are you to not know your Singlish? Did you make a new account? I seem to remember seeing this username around on the Shard before.

Archer welcome back In honour of our esteemed GM Ias sighed and wondered if he had made the right decision in joining Dawntrue's priesthood. All of them, corralled up because someone had undoubtedly committed heresy and murdered their god. He should've gone for Redcross, he thought crossly, even though Redcross was known to be a bit of a character. At least Dawntrue had particularly good opinions on salmon, having adopted the entire pond as his sacred animal. Of course, Ias was certain the heretics would also do great harm to his god's salmon. That was not to be brooked.

Sure ornot?

Now we just need Wiz to sign up so we can wagon him in your honour What utter depravity is this Get your own salmon! I was gonna take a break and sit this one out as I'm tired of you telling me I win when I outnumber the Elims but I'll sign up to punish you for this I'll figure out a name later you unholy blasphemer

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