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Also, Lift will get Lifespren Plate. The Stormfather isn't the only time we hear about Bondsmiths being Shard-free. There was another reference I spotted last night, but I'll be damned if I remember where in OB it was, other than near the start.

I'm not so sure. There are many little hints and comments that make me wonder if Shardplate is crafted out of spren that the Radiant Spren attracts, or at least controls/influences.

Unless Maya starts making the oaths. "I will remember the one that remembered me."

Only, Teft is already in a warrior type role, and when you see him in action when Kaladin is busy, he doesn't have a problem stepping up to command (WoK, rescuing Dalinar and Co from the Tower, for example. Kaladin charges, so Teft takes over command). I do agree with you about him training though, but being a good teacher, isn't that a hallmark of a good sergeant?

I'm one that believes they are the Unmade (or maybe even something to do with the Heralds, but then I also believe that the Heralds and Unmade are nearly one and the same anyways), but I disagree with it being Re-Shepir. She was trapped in Urithiru, wasn't she?

Oh, I don't think he will get out of a leadership role. He is still Kaladin's second-in-command, and that will expand across all Windrunners, I'd imagine.

First up, welcome to the Shard I got the impression that she is less interested in finding Vasher, and more so on finding Nightblood. My guess is she knows the Honourspren have information she seeks, hence the talk of a trade.

I agree with IronBars on this one. The reason Teft is second to Kaladin is because that is how it worked out in the bridge crews. Now he has sworn the same number of oaths as Kaladin, it is possible that could change. I don't think it will, but it is possible. The reason I think it will stay the same is because, A, You can only have one leader in a military unit, and the Windrunners are the closest we have seen to a military unit in the Radiants so far, B, because Kaladin is already in charge, so why would Teft want to change that, C, Teft doesn't see himself as worthy of command, and after his rather public failings in Oathbringer, would anyone else, and D, because it has already been said that Teft makes an ideal sergeant. Moving him further up the chain than he already is risks his addiction becoming worse for everyone.

I don't think I explained myself very well there. I'd like to see him resurrect the sword, but I don't want to see him swearing oaths and becoming Radiant. Maya could be his companion, but without the surges. Of course, if it does go this far, everyone will be wondering why he doesn't swear oaths and go 'Full Radiant'. The Adolin / Gallant scene I take mostly as he is in mourning for Sureblood, I just found it interesting that he is spending time with Dalinar's 'forgotten' Ryshadium, in the same book that he starts to resurrect a Spren whose order has the very oath "I will remember those who have been forgotten." I don't really see how Adolin could have felt 'left out' by that point in OB. He had just been given the job of finding Sadeas' murderer.

There is WoB that states that it easier to become a Radiant if you already associate with one, which could be one reason why the Kholins have so many Radiants, and also excuses why we may well see new Radiants spring up around Dalinar and family. Also, I'm not so sure if you could count Shallan as a Kholin Radiant. Yes, she is marrying into the family, but her powers developed long before she met any of the Kholins. On Adolin, I sort of agree with you, and sort of don't. I'd like to see him resurrect Maya, but it would be terrible if she then turns around and leaves him. At the same time, I'd like to see him continue on as a normal(-ish) character in the world of Radiants. On the other hands, Maya is an Edgedancer Blade/Spren, and out of all of the orders, Adolin fits best with the Edgedancers, or so I believe. There is even a moment of foreshadowing on this in Oathbringer - when he goes to visit Gallant, because Dalinar is too busy ("I will remember those who have been forgotten"), although this could be argued that he went to visit as much for himself as for Gallant.

Not going to try to use quotes, since they were broken last time I did, and it would only compound the problem. On Teft: I wonder if how you view the addiction is the reason you dismissed the foreshadowing, or were unimpressed by the result. If you view all drug addictions like those you see depicted most often, namely the worst ones, then yeah, I can see why you'd be surprised. But I've seen friends who have been addicted to "lesser" drugs, not heroine or cocaine, or any of the others that really do make it so you can't cope with reality without your fix, and they are quite capable of dealing with the world while sober, but as soon as they are able, they will indulge again. Without turning to crime to fund their habit. Being deprived of their source of addiction for a time, though, then being given plenty of money with which to indulge, and the freedom to do so, is it surprising Teft went off the deep end in Oathbringer? The addiction may not even be as bad as depicted in Oathbringer, for this reason. On Voidbringers: In your initial post, you say the reason for the Recreance was because the Radiants discovered Humans were the Voidbringers. You made no mention that they could destroy the planet until it is brought up by someone else. The Radiants probably could have survived if it was just the bit about being Voidbringers, but it was the knowledge that they held the power to destroy the world (and that they believed they had already saved it), that persuaded them to sacrifice it. When held up to the standards given to them in conversation between Dalinar and the Stormfather, the Recreance becomes much less of a betrayal, and a lot more of a noble but woefully misunderstood act. On Shallan: Your last reply to me about Shallan makes my point about you missing things clearly. You see it as an unsatisfying story about someone who isn't improving. I see it as someone who is badly trying to hide from their deepest secrets, fracturing herself because she is trying to hide from the Truth she swore as a Radiant, and literally coming face to face with the fact that she's not the people she is claiming to be. Pattern, along with Shallan's earlier mistakes in WoR, pretty much bullied her into speaking the 4th Truth before she was ready, I think, and this was the outcome. It's not character development as in she didn't get a massive power boost and everything was hunky-dory, but it was still the character developing in new and interesting ways. In my mind at least. Also, I should have put this into my last post really, but sorry if I came across as conceited earlier. I didn't mean to, but was a bit irked by something you had said before that and let it slip through.

Well, you do start off by missing pretty much all of the foreshadowing about Teft. From your OP:

Apparently not, otherwise you'd be on the same page as the rest of us, with regards to the various pieces of foreshadowing that has been seen. I'm not saying you would have spotted all of them, or even came to the same conclusions as the rest of us, but your arguments in this very thread tell us that you missed loads of stuff. Only now you're claiming you didn't miss it at all. Only, if you didn't miss it all, you wouldn't have the problems you do with Oathbringer.

Something that could just as easily be said to you with regards to the Stormlight Archives. You have all of these complaints, yet you also seemed to have missed a lot of the little bits in the earlier books.

I think we're also going to see flashbacks to during the time of the first series of books as well as the characters' personal histories. I'm not going to tell you what scenes I think we'll see, as you've not yet read Oathbringer and I don't want to include spoilers.

I think the knowledge that the humans were the original Voidbringers and that they had destroyed their previous homeworld were part of the same parcel, not two separate facts dropped on them with a huge time gap. Might I suggest you reread the end of WoR? In particular the scene where Shallan admits the truth about her mother. She is kinda pushed into it by Pattern and by circumstance and situation. Also, you replied before my edits were complete, but if you check my last post again, I've touched on your problems with Teft, and yes, it is entirely possible to be a fully functional addict. Maybe not with the likes of heroin, but I took firemoss to be more like cannabis.

Just to touch on these to points - destroying Roshar wouldn't necessarily be a deliberate act. The implications are that surgebinding, like the Radiants did, is what was responsible, somehow, for the destruction of their previous homeworld. In order to protect Roshar from the same fate, the Radiants of the time set aside their powers. Don't forget, at the time, it was believed that the final Desolation had been won, so giving up their powers to protect the world from the same fate as the one before? I can see that being a sacrifice they would make. I even think we've already seen what happened to the Humans' previous homeworld in looking at the Shattered Plains, albeit on a much smaller scale. Secondly, with Shallan, I see a difference between an oath and a truth. Lightweavers make no oath past the first, and speak truths instead. Shallan admitted the truth that was her 4th Ideal, but hasn't accepted it in her heart yet, and the splintering of her personalities we see in OB is her trying not to face up to the truth she spoke, trying to hide from it. Yes, she said the words, admitted the truth, spoke the Ideal, but was she ready to do so? Arguably not, given how it went. Yes, she is the same person, with the same frailties. The same can be said for all of the Radiants. We see this in Kaladin. Even in his WoK flashback chapters, his father keeps telling him he needs to learn when to care, and when to let go, and here, three books later, we see him fail to progress as a Radiant, because he still hasn't learned his lesson. It was, even back in WoK, starting with how he tells Kaladin he will end up betraying his trust, and lo and behold, members of bridge Four die in OB, because Teft was an idiot and sold his coat for firemoss. Also, in WoR with Teft disappearing immediately after their patrol, and 'losing track of time' at the market. Even this is explained. While a Bridgeman, Teft didn't have the resources to fund his habit. It even mentions that he was able to keep a handle on it for a time in Dalinar's warcamp, but as apparently always happens to him sooner or later, he keeps crawling back. By the time OB rolls around, Teft is earning a hell of a lot more than used to, and so the firemoss is just more and more tempting.

Didn't Renarin have something to do with broken Dalinar going to the Nightwatcher? Edit: Oops, sorry for double post.

I'm pretty sure that he'll be able to read it.

This is why I think the Unmade are made out of part of the Heralds. Look at Jezrien and flashback Dalinar. The similarities between them are blatantly obvious, especially in the scene where they end up drinking together. And what is the most common thing they have there? They are lost without the touch of the Thrill. I think this is because Nergaoul was part of Jezrien until Jezrien first broke under Odium's tortures. I also think this is why Jezrien was killed when he was, because if Dalinar had united Jezrien and The Thrill, I think that would have healed him.

I think the way for the Heralds to regain their sanity is by bonding with the Unmade. There's a link to my theory in my signature.

But if you play checkers against someone who is playing chess against a third player, you might distract your opponent enough for the third player to win.

Perhaps it has been infused long enough that Bridge Four's spren is now the 4th Bondsmith spren.

I hope we see more of the Horneater Peaks, in particular, King Rock's triumphant return home as their new Shardbearer (that said, I hope Rock becomes Radiant regardless of his Shards). Possibly in part 5, leading an army of Radiants to free Cultivation's Perpendicularity. And I think Lopen will make a pass at Jasnah. Bridge Four is, after all, the royal bodyguard.

Note, we do not know if RADIANT Shardplate interferes with surges. It is almost guaranteed that it doesn't, otherwise what is the point of any Radiant wearing it? I think the reason 'dead' Plate interferes is because of the same reason Plate requires gemstones to function. The Plate consumes the Stormlight to keep itself healed.