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This has been noted and I've told the relevant people to watch it. I noticed this in post production.

I see your point, for sure. We didn't really have someone to truly represent that side who had sufficient microphone quality and a schedule that allowed. I'd prefer this podcast to exist than infinitely delay it to find the correct person, who would also have a good rapport with us. It certainly would've been easier if one of our staff had that point of view! I do see your point, but there are production considerations. Inviting a random forumgoer might not work well as they may not have the rapport, speaking skills, microphone to be a good guest.

The Pool is a Perpendicularity which lets you go to Shadesmar, like many other pools we have seen.

I understand. These were our opinions and I know we can't please everyone but if you listen on we go in depth on all sides of the triangle.

I read "Selective Laser Sintering" and thought this was a spam post until I read the second half

I'm curious as to why you think that. I do think we analyzed things in depth and gave things a fair shake. I thought my comments on depression were pretty relevant, for one.

I'm not sure why that one does, but just as a note, when copying, just start at the first speaker's name. Don't copy the buttons at the top because it garbles things as shown.

No because Oathbringer stuff cannot go there for another eight months. Memes are fine here.

A moderator has PMed you and you ought to respond to that, rather than just leaving the PM thread. You actively escalated the discourse in that thread, whereas others were pretty low key about it. I encourage you to take a look at your posts and have some self-reflection. You have not been bullied. People disagreed with your assessment and you got very heated about it. People don't need to be welcoming to that. Sorry. Bring up your concerns to the mod team. But it seems you just want to be upset.

Your opinion is well noted and you don't need to respond to everything. People have different opinions and if you're going to be like this, you should just not be in this thread. The quote I have here is definitely hostile. Chill out. Anything remotely close to this and you are not going to be in this thread anymore. You are escalating things for no reason, and you are not going to continue doing that. You even admit to being confrontational. You will stop now. If you think a post of yours is being confrontational, stop! It really doesn't matter what the context is. You just need to not react that way. Tons of people have opinions where other people's opinions were different. Someone disagreed with your interpretation and you feel strongly about that. Cool. It's coming across aggressively and you are acting petulantly when someone just says, "Yeah, I don't really see it that way." You won't be able to change their minds and being aggressive and pissy about it is not going to help. You can just not respond to a thing. Crazy, I know. You do not need to have the last word. This is the last time I want to see any remotely hostile, aggressive, or other such posts in this thread from you SLNC. This is a problem and it will not continue, in this thread or otherwise. It's funny how most conflict in this thread seems to involve you. I don't think that's a coincidence.

We'll see, I guess! I don't find this type of conversation very engaging, so I'll take my leave. We'll see how it goes in three years. It's not like anyone will be persuaded by anything. We both have opinions and perspectives and that's about it. I do think dealing with her personas will be a central thing in book four.

Yeah, we talked about Sja-anat and that pronunciation. Still is weird to me! I don't think I could pronounce Amaram that way, though. That's way too bizarre for me. Jebus talked a bunch in this podcast! We've had way quieter people

I personally think Shallan doesn't understand Kaladin's mental issues, and Kaladin doesn't understand Shallan's mental issues. I'm someone with depression, and I've been in a relationship where neither people really can help each other and can't understand each other's mental issues. It's massively destructive for a relationship and both member's mental states. I think Kaladin and Shallan could connect for a time but they don't have the groundwork for a longterm relationship. Them working together is not the same as them being in a deep committed relationship. Kaladin isn't ready for something like that. I dunno. I can only speak my own experience with depression, but I know depression is quite damaging on a relationship. Adolin, on the other hand, actually has the emotional capacity to support Shallan this way. I don't agree with the notion that it's "enabling". I think Adolin will immediately want to work to try and bring Shallan's personas back into herself. That feels like the logical progression. But first Adolin needs to get Shallan to open up about such things.

This is not allowed in this forum, but rather Cosmere Theories. General Brandon Discussion is a spoiler free zone.

I had an idea in Discord tonight, upon discussing the Recreance. We ended up talking about spren and Shadesmar, of course, and it got me thinking about deadeye spren. Remember in Way of Kings, in the first vision of the Recreance? There's a huge amount of missing Shardblades. That's not even close to all the Windrunners (this wasn't the main front of the war), and that's just one of the orders. Granted, Skybreakers didn't betray their oaths, and there was only one Bondsmith in that generation, but there's still seven other orders full of Radiants who would have broke their oaths. This is to say that there is a metric truckload of missing Blades and this has never come up in the text again. But we do get more information on Shardblades in Oathbringer. They are deadeyes in Shadesmar and they are common enough in Shadesmar that they have a common term for them. Now, some background. It seems that deadeye spren are actually separate from their Blades in Shadesmar: This suggests that deadeyes are always in Shadesmar, regardless of the state of the Blade (summoned or unsummoned) in the Physical Realm. But if deadeye spren are separate entities, isn't that a bit strange? Adolin cannot summon Maya in Shadesmar. So these two entities are linked intrinsically. That's obvious, because in the Physical Realm, the Blade is the spren after all, but is a curious split between the dead spren in Shadesmar and the "corpse" in the Physical. (It seems highly unlikely that the deadeye would vanish when the user of the Blade summoned it to the Physical Realm. I certainly don't get that impression from Ico. Additionally, it isn't like when Syl is dismissed she goes back to Shadesmar.) Anyway. Here's my idea: what if somehow some spren, or other entities took Shardblades--which were unbonded, of course--through a Perpendicularity into Shadesmar, in an effort to revive some deadeyes? I don't know what would happen if you actually take a Shardblade into Shadesmar. There's a lot of possibilities. I don't think the Blades could manifest as Blades in Shadesmar, so maybe they'd just... go back "into" their deadeye spren? That's my idea. A lot of deadeyes in Shadesmar already "have" their Shardblades inside them. It didn't fix them, but it did prevent them from being found in the Physical Realm. Not all deadeyes would be like this--the ones we've seen, from Ico, tend to wander to the person "holding" their corpse--but for the Blades that are unbonded? They wouldn't wander around at all. I realize this is a pretty crackpot theory, but I think if you asked, "where are the missing Shardblades?" the answer being "in Shadesmar, as some of the deadeyes" seems reasonable. Previous hypotheses were things like, "Maybe there's a giant cache of them somewhere!" or "Maybe the Skybreakers collected them!" But they'd probably be found in two millennia since the Recreance if it was a cache, and I think the Skybreakers having a cache of somewhere like a thousand Shardblades seems crazy. Wouldn't there have been a situation where you'd use one of your thousand extra Blades? But you know where absolutely no Rosharan would have found the Blades since the Recreance? In Shadesmar. They'd probably be pretty difficult to separate from the deadeye who metabolized that Physical part of them... That's my midnight theory for you all. It's probably wrong, but at least you all remembered that there's a crapload of missing Blades around. I'd like to hear your ideas for where they might be.

I'll put this in Cosmere Theories so you guys can discuss Liar, but that's generally fair game as it is publicly available.

@NamelessThirteenth make sure your topic title prefixes with [OB], as stated in the spoiler policy.

I don't agree. Any bookseller selling physical Oathbringers at 15 is making a straight up loss. That shouldn't be the price point in your mind. To be perfectly honest, books have value. The text has value. $7 for Oathbringer, in my opinion, is absurdly cheap for the amount of content you get. People would buy digital movies for $17 and you get way more hours of entertainment out of it. Just because there's no print costs doesn't mean the price shouldn't be reasonable as Dragonsteel Entertainment still put in a ton of effort into the text, as did Tor. That is what you are paying for. Books really don't sell that spectacularly compared to other media and a lot of people need to get paid. The mass market paperback of Words of Radiance has an MSRP of $10. Its ebook is $10. That's a fine price. Additionally, consider this period before the mass market paperback comes out like a movie theater and a new movie. It's the most expensive then because it is desirable. Those prices do go down eventually but we are in the release window. I do think $17 for the ebook is a really good deal. I'm very leery about e-stores. It makes people think, "yes, the price for a game should be free or a dollar." What! That is insane! At some point people need to pay for art or else it's not going to be made. Sure, Brandon surely would write even if he made no money, but I'm resistant to the idea that all writers should be shortchanged on ebooks with very low prices. That will eventually mean less books are made. I would like books to be written. I cannot agree that a 430,000 word tome like Oathbringer should ever be $7. That feels very wrong to me. Seriously, $30 feels like a way better deal for Oathbringer than any movie, if you think entertainment per hour. I'll be honest. I'd rather pay more for an ebook for its convenience. That has value to me.

Time for you both to chill the hell out, @Ookla the Obtuse and @insert_anagram_here. EDIT: Going to be honest, this thread would be a great discussion of Adolin's morality. I think everyone has valid opinions on the matter. For the most part, despite people generally reacting negatively to the OP, it was a pretty cogent discussion. As always, if people attack an opinion, one should not take that as a reflection on you. Those are different things. Take it with grace, anagram. People's emotional reactions aren't always going to fit with a pure logical stance, and most people aren't trained mathematicians. (I say this as a mathematician.) You could also take your own advice, too, and also chill. As for you, @Ookla the Obtuse, you really ought to tone your indignation way down in the future and chill the hell out. Your tone sure didn't help, so I guess I'll have to watch both of you.

We're mostly at the behest of IPS for this sort of software thing. I do hope the gallery improves in future versions.

That almost works! But who knows is Chemoarish fits that. Pretty cool idea though.