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  1. Hi friends, So... upon watching this thread for several days, discussion has been difficult. Emotions are high. But we as a community need to take deep care on such fraught issues to be kind. This thread consistently escalates tension. We recognize that there is a valid reason why tensions are high in this particular thread. Some fans feel betrayed by the silence of a person they look up to, and others feel the need to defend their personal hero. We want to be clear: there is nothing wrong with having an emotional response--positive or negative--to Brandon's work. It is also absolutely okay to be a fan of Brandon's and still be critical of things he does or does not do. The purpose of this site is to discuss Brandon and his work. That includes the things we enjoy, and the things that hurt or disappoint us. We realize people want a space to vent, and though that is very understandable, we've observed that people expressing hurt and disappointment are being told both by implication and expressly that their feelings are wrong. People who admire Brandon are feeling defensive. We're just not sure if this thread is doing anything other than making people upset at this point. With topics that are so personal, it's natural to want to convince others of your own point, but currently this seems to be putting people in the position where they feel they need to continuously defend and validate their own thoughts. Because of this, we believe keeping this thread open is going to be more detrimental to members than it will be beneficial. Please note: we are not angry at anyone in the thread currently. We're all having different emotions and different reactions to Brandon's silence, and it's difficult to talk about this in a kind way when we are processing what's going on. If you are disappointed in Brandon, as many are in this thread, we highly encourage you to use the Contact form on Brandon's site to tell him so, or tweet at him on Twitter.
  2. You are not quite accurate here, Frustration. Private entities are generally shielded from liability by Section 230. For example YouTube is not liable if people post copyright infringement stuff, and can also delete videos they seem unacceptable for their platform. (They obviously still need to comply with DMCA requests.) The absolute vast majority of sites on the internet are shielded by Section 230. Freedom of speech is about what the government can't do. Anyway, this is off topic. Everyone must abide by what I said before about being extra respectful. This topic should solely be about sharing what your own opinion on Brandon and his silence so far. There is no need to ever attack other people here. Share your thoughts and not take down others. Read the guide to contentious topics I linked above. Off topic stuff will be removed. If we cannot stay respectful and on topic, this thread will be closed.
  3. We are moderating more than usual to make sure discussion stays extra respectful. We have hidden posts and PMed several people over the last couple of days, usually for small tonal changes on posts that do have points, but the way they are written will lead to conflict. We have always stated in each PM they are welcome to repost their comment with some slight adjustment. We believe being overly respectful is extremely important for the fabric of the community, especially in contentious discussions that are very personal in nature. We need more respect when people disagree, not less. Except for one person who was deliberately trolling (who has been removed from the site), I believe everyone is very close to our ideals in our Code of Conduct. And again, I recommend reading the Guide for Contentious Discussions, particularly point 1 and 5 in it. If anyone in the thread hasn't yet read that topic, I implore you to do so.
  4. Maybe in a Google feed? By the way, this is the same preview on the product page that they have posted there, as mentioned above
  5. As Brandon said on a recent livestream, the Dark One graphic novel is done, and now its preorders are open! It's also coming really soon. The ebook is out June 26th, and the hardcovers begin shipping August 17th! It costs $29.99 for the hardcover +eBook and $19.99 for the ebook alone. The book is 224 pages long and you can already read the first 29 on the preorder page, near the bottom! It looks pretty sweet, and I think I like it quite a bit better than the White Sand graphic novels. There are a bunch of preorder goodies for ordering now. One is an exclusive invitation for a livestream Q&A with Brandonm where he will be answering questions about the book. There's also exclusive digital pre-order bonus pack, which includes an art book, bonus excerpt, author letter from Brandon, desktop and phone backgrounds, and discount codes for ebook purchases and the Dark One t-shirt. Vault also has a nifty countdown as to when preorders close and these goodies go away, which seem to be counting down to June 25th. Here's the blurb about the graphic novel: Brandon also said: "Vault will also be doing some really cool stuff with the book in the coming weeks so keep an eye on their page!" Neat, I wonder what that will involve.
  6. That's a great podcast idea! I might be a while until this one happens, though, since I haven't read Wheel of Time at all...
  7. You beat me to this, Ene! I'd love to hear your favorite memory of the Shard or the fandom as a whole is, everyone!
  8. Ten years ago today, 17th Shard opened, with myself as its first account. I can't believe our tenth anniversary is right now; 2010 feels like ten thousand years ago.Think about how many books we've gotten since that June--The Way of Kings wasn't even out yet! Now we're three massive tomes through the Stormlight Archive with the next one coming so soon. This site and community has evolved so much over this decade. So many of us were brought together through Brandon's books. If you'll excuse me for getting sentimental, I'd like to take you down memory lane now, and celebrate all of us together. I want to thank each and every one of you who have come to this community, whether you're new here, if you've been here since those first few months, or anywhere in between. This place would not exist without you. From the bottom of my heart and all of us at 17th Shard, I'm so glad you're here. Before we get too far in the weeds, I wanted to remind everyone we're doing a special, tenth anniversary Shardcast on Saturday, June 6th, from 11am to around 3pm Pacific time on our Twitch channel (https://www.twitch.tv/17th_shard). Celebrate with us! The VODs will be posted on YouTube, so don't worry about that. Origins Long ago in the mists of time--and by that I mean 2007-2009--Brandon's forums were on a site called Timewaster's Guide. Created by his brother, Jordan, this was a place where they could hang out with all of the buddies they met at BYU. It also held several boards for each of the writers in the group, which included Brandon. In 2008, I joined TWG. At that time, Brandon had been pulling away from forums (which is why you see him essentially never here, because forums are such a time sink), but Peter was there as a moderator. Peter wasn't Brandon's assistant yet, and as we'd learn when Hero of Ages came out, Peter was as surprised with some of the deeper cosmere connections as the rest of us. Peter also trolled us forumgoers consistently, and we totally deserved that. I met Mi'chelle (firstRainbowRose) at this time. Mi'ch was one of Brandon's very earliest fans, having gone to an early Elantris signing. She attended Brandon's class, and at one point I did a road trip to visit her, and Mi'chelle insisted I meet Brandon. I kept resisting because I didn't want to bother him after his class, but she said I absolutely had to meet him, and I'm sure glad I did. He's such a kind and warm person. They always say you don't want to meet your idols, but having gone to so many signings, that kindness has never gone away, even as his popularity has exploded. Mi'chelle met Josh (Rubix) at a Brandon signing in late 2009, and they were always adorable and perfect for each other. Together, we--along with another guy, Chris who exited the fandom a bit later--had the idea to make a site solely on Brandon's works. Chris wanted to name it Hoid's Compendium, but then either Josh or Mi'ch asked Brandon if there was some sort of worldhopping organization we could name ourselves after. Brandon said--before Way of Kings, mind you--there was this organization called the Seventeenth Shard, and so we named ourselves that. Well, sort of, because who was going to type out "seventeenth" all the time. We went with 17th Shard. As you can see, the initial designs weren't great. I’ve gotten a lot better over this decade: The original home page. The blogs were super hacked together. The original forum page. It should have the same background as the other one, but Wayback Machine does weird stuff. Ignore the obvious typo in the "News" line at the top. I'm real good at forgetting words. The pain, so real. I think I need to give that pain to Odium there... Also joining us at the start was Will (Shivertongue) who makes our graphics to this day, even if you don't see him much now, and Kerry (KChan) who has consistently helped me with site design, and also runs the Mistborn RPG. Matt (Comatose), an old TWG member, was soon added into our mix. We also made the Coppermind, and started the tradition of its content being woefully out of date. But things were about to get better. Site changes Late 2010, Joe ST joined the site and the Coppermind, and came with a ton of technical expertise. He has overall had the most edits on the Coppermind, and I don't know what we'd do without him. Importantly, Joe did something really special in February 2011: he helped pay for us to get some better forum software. Gone was SMF, and we were on to Invision Power Board, which we still use now. That allows us to have a single piece of software that not only lets us do the forums, but also news articles and an image gallery, which was a massive improvement. In 2011, Timewaster's Guide was hacked and its emails were leaked (I still get loads of spam to this day because of this). Jordan Sanderson wanted to take down the site since its custom modifications made it difficult to update. The site died, but we offered to host the Brandon forums and we had some subforums for some authors from TWG for a time. We also keep an archive of the TWG forums to this day. Many staples of our staff like David (Windrunner) and Ian (Weiry) joined in this time period, which feels like an eternity ago. David, for one, has the most added content to the Coppermind in full, and we'll talk about Ian's grand project down below. Of course, there's so many more, like Alyx (Feather) who I remember first joined the fandom when she was 17 and it's hard to remember a time before she was here. I went to a few release parties over the years, starting with Alloy and met a ton of our staff. I met even more at the Words of Radiance release. I have fond memories at Alloy's release doing trivia with Matt, and trivia at Words of Radiance with Alyx. Every experience with fans I've had has been wonderful, and you all are great and lovely people. The site went through a few incarnations over this time, one in 2014, and another in 2016, where we changed our logo to the one you see today. This year I think we are due for some updates, too, so stay tuned for that. We made an IRC server at some point, which eventually died, but it was good for a few years (we have a better replacement with Discord now). The Words of Radiance release led to massive expansion in our membership, and Shadows of Self, Bands of Mourning, and Mistborn: Secret History boosted it further. Still, the fandom felt tight-knit, small, and cozy, and you could still recognize most people. Things exploded even further with Oathbringer's release. Oathbringer to now The site really changed from 2017 to 2020 and the Shard evolved into its current modern incarnation. We made a Discord server, which now has over 4500 members. Discord has been great for me keeping in touch with staff members, getting to know all of you, and it's my primary chat app these days. My forum use had been declining for a while due to how busy I was, and this keeps me more involved with less of a time commitment. It does change the nature of our community, though, and I find myself not posting too much on the forums nowadays. I don't think it's a net negative. Discord is great for fast, more ephemeral discussion, and it's nice to have less structure. If I was to post a large theory or something more involved, I'd still use the forums, and I don't think Discord is particularly great for in-depth book discussion. There's another massive change: Arcanum, the Brandon Sanderson Archive. What an incredible achievement. Before this, we were using Theoryland's Interview Database to log what Brandon had said, but let's just say that interface wasn't amazing. Mestiv came to us and had the idea: what if we could get the actual audio playing next to the Word of Brandon itself? Mestiv put in so much effort to make this a reality, and Palanaeum (the software Arcanum uses) is open source, so any fandom can use it. It's unlike anything the internet quite has, and it's such a cosmere fandom thing to do. Other big thanks goes to Ian for directing this and all our Arcanists who do transcription work and review edits there. The Coppermind came into its own after Oathbringer's release in 2017. Not too long before, over half of all edits on the Coppermind were made by just individual staff members. Discord changed the way we as editors interact with others and has led us to a new Coppermind golden age. We made a new Keeper position, which is Coppermind staff, and our first ones were Grace (thegatorgirl), Joshua (jofwu), and Hadhad. We now have the most complete and reviewed articles ever on the site, and with the least stubs ever (and if you're not familiar with wiki parlance, stubs are terrible, short articles that need expansion). Over fifty percent of every content article is done, and over two-thirds of the wiki is reviewed or needs reviewing. Big thanks to some of our new Keepers (Coppermind staff) like Big Smooth, LadyLameness, Stargazer, and Rasarr, and many other editors making the wiki the best it has ever been. And Shardcast is finally a thing! It might amuse you that the first form of the forums above had a Shardcast forum. In 2010, you could say that was... optimistic. We had a short run of Shardcast in 2012 reading Elantris, which fizzled out, and the Shardcast you know today came at Oathbringer's release. Thus far we have 112 episodes, and I'm just incredibly thrilled so many of you have come to listen and watch. I've learned so much these past years about video and audio editing, and it's only going to get better from here! We'll get some non-Shardcast content on YouTube too eventually (content takes a long time to edit). Big thanks to Evgeni (Argent), Grace (thegatorgirl), Shannon (Grey) and so many other people I've already mentioned here for making this happen. Thanks also to Ben (Overlord Jebus) and Alyx (Feather) for helping me with editing on occasion. Of course, it hasn't been the smoothest ride, as there was quite a bit of forum drama regarding Oathbringer, and I think we have learned a lot about forum moderation. The community is much larger now so we need more clear expectations from all of you, and also clearer moderation guidelines. You can check out our new and improved Code of Conduct, which improves on rules made in 2011, quite nicely. We want to make the site a pleasant community for all and as we approach Rhythm of War, we intend to make this place respectful for everyone. Stats In case you're curious about how far the Shard has come in this decade, here's some fun numbers: Forum Topics: Nearly 32,000 Posts: 923,813 (whoa, I bet we'll hit a million this year!) Registered accounts: Nearly 24,000 Coppermind Content articles: 3,263 Total edits: 128,467 Arcanum Events: 392 Entries: 13,008 Audio recordings: 379 Images: 295 Total audio recordings length: 454 hours and 28 minutes! Audio snippets length (so, pure WoBs basically): 129 hours and 5 minutes Number of entries with audio snippets: 6,617 Size of our raw audio database: 39Gb You are all phenomenal. This place wouldn't exist without you. Thank you so much. Bringing people together Brandon's books and this site has brought so many people together. I've met friends here that I think I'll keep my entire life, and they are some of my closest friends of all. We live in a day and age where fandoms and the internet can really do that, so for all the bad that is in the world, it is pretty great to be alive and experience that. And for some of us, we haven't just met friends, but lifelong partners, like Josh and Mi'chelle. (Fun fact, Josh and Mi'ch are in Alloy of Law, and Wax interrupts their wedding. Brandon gave that scene to them as a wedding gift, and also attended their wedding itself.) So now I'm going to get especially sappy and talk about my wonderful, darling fiance, Jessie (LadyLameness on the forums, Discord, and the Coppermind). She joined the fandom in 2018 and edited the Coppermind, and that's how I met her. Her work was excellent and in that October, we made her a Keeper. The week of Skyward's release we began talking more--we had a huge Connection (capital-C intended) almost immediately and fell for each other fast. One slight problem: she is Australian and I'm American. She's perfect, but we really did maximize the "long-distance" aspect of our relationship. But I still remember the first weekend, after video and audio chatting for more than 24 hours in a three day period, we told each other that there was something more we could explore. You might be thinking it is a bit silly to fall so quickly for someone, and I can see that, but thinking about it, 24 solid hours talking to someone is an absurd amount of time. It felt like a week or more was packed into three days, like time dilation. We quickly realized that if we were to see each other before March, flights needed to be booked immediately for the end of December, and so two weeks into our relationship we did. Things were incredible and getting better by the day, but I still worried that when we met in person, it would be different and terrible. I've never been so pleased to be wrong. That first trip was magical, and Jess and I fell together perfectly. It was easy, like no relationship has ever been for me before. Let's fast forward some, because I could talk about this way too long. After several more trips, we knew everything was perfect, and we knew we wanted to spend the rest of our lives together. I took her out to a nice dinner and midway through me telling her how amazing, sweet, smart, and gorgeous she is, and how lucky I am to be with her, I randomly got out my phone and said, "Hey, here's a pretty crazy Coppermind edit I found." Now, before you cringe, note that we are gigantic dorks and frequently interrupt each others' conversations to discuss Coppermind edits. Before we did this, I went to the bathroom and edited the Coppermind home page like this: You know what her first response was? She read the top quote and said, "A top quote isn't supposed to be on the Coppermind home page." Dork. A Keeper through and through. She didn't quite understand who did the edit, and I told her to read further. The rest is history: I love you so much, Jessie. (She said yes, in case you're wondering.) My mom always told me to go out and do things I enjoy to meet people, well, jokes on you, I stayed inside and found the love of my life. So, of course, I have to give my personal, heartfelt thanks to Brandon who has made these wonderful worlds and stories that bring us together. Thanks for helping me meet the love of my life, and everyone else who met their partner through these worlds. And if you haven't met the love of your life, have you heard of this great dating site, the Coppermind? I highly recommend it. Get editing! Looking to the future We've gone through massive changes in the fandom over the last decade, so it's hard to say where we will be in the next ten years. We're getting a ton more books, like Rhythm of War and Stormlight 5. I imagine all of Mistborn Era 3 and Elantris sequels, and maybe we'll start the back half of Stormlight. We'll get a bunch of noncosmere books (Maybe a Rithmatist sequel, but let's not hold our breath). With all those new books, we're going to get a lot of new members, and we want to work to welcome them into this great community. One thing we might want to prepare for is if cosmere works get a movie or TV show, as that will pretty radically expand the fandom. We want this place to remain respectful (and get even kinder), and so let's all do our part to make that a reality. I'm sure some of you reading this now might fall out of touch with the Shard or the fandom. The crew of active members has shifted a lot over the years, and the people who post the most now are quite different than even just a few years ago. I wonder what things will look like a decade from now. But I know this site will be here, better than ever. Know you're welcome back here whenever. Thanks each and every one of you for making this place one of the best corners of the internet. Thanks to all our staff, past and present, for everything they have done to make this place a reality. Thank you to Emily, Peter, Karen, Isaac, and Kara, and the rest of Dragonsteel Entertainment for making these lovely books possible. And lastly, thank you, Brandon, for not giving up on writing when the time was tough before Elantris sold. You wrote what you loved, and that was what mattered. You've made such a big impact on so many people's lives. Thank you, and here's to many more years of great stories ahead. Want to share your stories from the last decade? Share them in this thread!
  9. I was reading this topic and just wanted to suggest this book to you. Full Fathom Five by Max Gladstone has its main protagonist who is transgender and used magic to transition. Maybe check it out?
  10. Glad to see you tweeted him. Here's the contact form: https://www.brandonsanderson.com/contact/ I will note that I think his staff do some of his Twitter management, so tweeting the regular news cycle stuff is more a slam dunk for his staff to do than to make statements such as this. He's pretty bad at quickly replying to emails on even important things, if I'm being honest. Maybe he'll comment on it on the stream. He didn't make a tweet about COVID but did discuss it on the streams before, so asking a question in chat there seems also like a good idea. And yeah, I totally get that, I just wanted to lower down the heat in this thread some.
  11. From an actionable standpoint, I might recommend tweeting Brandon and using the contact form. He doesn't often browse the forums, but does check Twitter, so that may be the fastest way to get a response, if you are so inclined.
  12. Hi everyone, I would just like to note that I would really like people to stay respectful. I know tensions are high in the world (and rightfully so), but I think the last few posts have been too personal. We are not here to do personal attacks. Please read our Code of Conduct: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/89568-17s-code-of-conduct/?do=findComment&comment=975374 We are not a political site, and we are not here to do political debate. Express your own feelings, and don't challenge others. Normally we would remove sociopolitical and charged posts but we believe it is totally fair for individuals to be upset with Brandon. (In fact, I would also suggest that using Brandon's contact form would be a good idea.) It's an expectation of those who use the Shard to remain respectful in discussion, and while we do not want to stop this discussion, if civility isn't possible then we will have to close this thread.
  13. Yes, though I would tend to prefer to be on a plane over the Pacific to visit my fiance in Australia
  14. Tomorrow is 17th Shard's ten year anniversary. Can you believe it? I'll have a big article on that tomorrow, but for now, in case you missed it on our last Shardcast episode, we're going to have a LIVE Shardcast on Saturday, June 6th, from 11am Pacific to about 3pm Pacific on our Twitch channel ( https://www.twitch.tv/17th_shard ). Nine different Shardcasters will be on (not all at the same time) and it should be a ton of fun! We'll be doing some Q&A with the audience, some Who's That Cosmere Character, Ship It or Rip It, and of course discussion. We'll post the VODs on YouTube around Sunday as our episode replacement. Hopefully it should be fun and not a disaster for our first livestream! If you're a Patron, you can submit questions here ahead of the stream, and we'll also answer questions live too! Thank you all for being here on this amazing little corner of the internet. Let's celebrate together!
  15. If I recall from this 2009 event correctly, this was a Q&A where he actually typed in answers, so it's not a transcription error. It's actually what Brandon typed.
  16. Here is fine! We check here too @PiedPeterPiper. So we would like to have you translate. Currently we don't have things set up where there would be a special Spanish version of each page. I will need to investigate that.
  17. I've had to remove some posts here because Grammarly and the quote boxes horrifically do not mesh. Sorry about that. Please disable Grammarly on 17S.
  18. Preorders are selling out today, but more Deluxe Editions will be made in the fall:
  19. I'm locking this thread in favor of the one in Cosmere Discussion. (I could leave this one up instead rather than the Cosmere Discussion; just let me know. All's good!)
  20. All's well, I moved the topic. Welcome!
  21. Preorders are 9am Pacific / noon Eastern: https://www.brotherwisegames.com/blog/2020/5/24/origins-and-motivations-in-stormlight
  22. This episode we're talking about characters and tropes. Let's talk about the dead spouses (mostly wives) and dead parents in the cosmere. Well, dead fathers in non-cosmere works, but hey. We talk about the Lost Lenore trope as well as fridging, and a good bit of poking fun about all the dead wives in Brandon's works. We have Eric (Chaos), Ian (WeiryWriter), Grace (thegatorgirl), Shannon (Grey), and Matt (Comatose). In two weeks we will not have our usual episode. Instead, on Saturday, June 6th, we are going to be celebrating 17th Shard's ten year anniversary. We opened our site on June 4th, 2010! Wow. So to celebrate we are going to do a live Shardcast episode on our Twitch channel ( https://www.twitch.tv/17th_shard ) at 11am Pacific. It will be an extra long time with tons of different cast members. And, if you're a Patreon supporter, you'll be able to submit questions ahead of time for the stream. Don't worry, we'll post the VODs on YouTube and we'll answer questions from chat, too, and do some fun stuff! So, if you like our content, support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/17thshard Subscribe to Shardcast: http://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:102123174/sounds.rss Send your Who's That Cosmere Characters to [email protected]
  23. Topic necromancy is not a big deal @Weltall. This is fine and we do not require people to comment here about it. Report, don't reply to topic necromancy, and then we will judge. There is a balance between not having posts on very old things vs. being welcoming to newer members. In this case, this is an older (ish) post that received little attention. There's really no reason for general members to call people out on it. As I have always said topic necromancy is not a big deal and a few people seem to think it's a very big deal. It's not. It really, really is not. Excessively old topics are locked. There hasn't been much cosmere since this thread, so that's fine. Anyway, let's just report such threads; there is absolutely no need to actually respond. (Because if we did deem it an unnecessary post on something very old, we'd just have to hide all the replies to that.) I think this one is perfectly fine.
  24. I responded to your email. The filter really shouldn't even apply to you after you have a single post. It's still giving you trouble?
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