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Y'all ready for this...

Okay, let's see if this will get me caught up. Underlined things stuck out to me, the rest is mainly just summary.

Matrim's Dice:

  • D1: Excited for Hospital, poke on Bard, guessing 4 Elims. Wasn't a Doc claim but excited. Jealous of Doc, thought there could be multiple (nope) and an Elim one, notes only Elim!Quinn has self-voted (nope). Accepts Quinn's correction. Retracts from Bard upon him posting. Votes Quinn on gut. Originally missed Archer's post, doesn't like Dannex's vote, notes Quinn has only 2 votes, requests VC. Notes he wants more time to read Quinn. Notes Straw doesn't do Role Madness, finds Dannex's and Unknown Order's analysis similar and confused by it, Liranil's post feels off. Wonders about TUO then finds a contradiction, says he's sus of Liranil because of random vote after they said they don't like them, votes Liranil. Uh... that one confuses me, but confused about TUO correcting reasoning in someone they agreed with. Notes TUO's counter contradicted earlier post. Didn't notice TUO's vote on him and found it strange. Notes TUO didn't mention suspicions. Does not understand Illwei's mindset or vote. Hopes Bard isn't pocketing him. Notes mentioning suspicions only with votes will get you nowhere. Calls Liranil/Quinn e/e, perhaps jokingly?
  • D2: Notes there was only one Doc, votes Liranil. Notes that Archer is village unless Elims didn't submit kill and Trapper went after Archer D1. Says they were congratulating the Doc with "use it well" but they're not the Doc, thought Quinn's worry was a little sus, thinks e/e means one leads to the other. Wonders the Doc's alignment. States that his Liranil/Quinn e/e is more suspecting both. A lot of responses mainly to TJ. Back and forth... Wants more people to vote a lot. States they're always defensive, removes vote on Liranil and votes Illwei with a lot of question marks. Admits Illwei vote made no sense and voted Quinn. Fine with exeing Liranil. Is flimsy and wants to vote Brighteyes maybe... Removes vote on Quinn and votes Brighteyes, sus of Illwei/Quinn/Liranil for gut/prior reasons. Nearly moves to make a tie.
  • D3: Annoyed that Hospital was sabotaged. Votes for Quinn suspecting Elim-messenger-Quinn. Clarifies mostly gut read on Quinn. Switches to Illwei changing mind on Quinn. Notes that Illwei seems different this game than normal.

Quinn:

  • D1: Wonders if Mat claimed Doctor, agrees 4ish Elims. Assumed more than one Doc (nope). Suspends assumption pending more info. Self-votes for being boring. Corrects Mat about self-voting. Wonders if she can reference her alignment from other ongoing games (Straw says no). Wonders that the only people to post are Mat/Quinn/Illwei (and Archer, once, but yeah). Wonders if Biologist == Blue Ajah (more of a tracker iirc). Happy there's no vote manip but feels burned out. Notes that Archer did show up unlike what Bard thought. Thinks she's going to die after Mat's vote, follows Dannex onto Young Bard. Notes that Mat's already voting on her. Wonders if Mat has any further thoughts on non-Quinn non-Dannex. Notes TUO's vote on Mat after Mat's vote on Liranil, votes Liranil. Notes TUO's vote stuck out on skim read. Thinks TUO and Mat were somewhat disagreeing but Mat were more sus of Liranil. Says that Mat voted on Bard and not her. Moves vote to TUO. Thinks Doctors are public.
  • D2: Wants to leave Liranil alone after TUO flipped. Thought having multiple votes on her meant she should remove her joke vote on self. Has a guess to Doc identity but not alignment. Wonders about Archer's role and/or PM friend. Thinks Mat is acting odd, but more not!village than elim or Mat!elim. Back and forth... Votes Illwei. Wallpost around Liranil's suspicions, mostly believe they are overestimated, tinfoils. Another Wallpost, can't... really parse this one, it's mostly asking for clarifications, thinks Liranil is vill, votes Brighteyes. Lists Liranil as Village, Ash mild Elim, Brighteyes Elim. Guesses Doc is Gears but is positive they're not Mat, notes odd timing on the Brighteyes vote on Ash, likes doing selfpres if they think the other is sus.
  • D3: Notes there was no Archer contact. Thinks Random's post feels off, notes some of Archer's points from the Hospital especially the "PM partner". Wonders about Connie and telling the truth. Back and forth with Connie. Votes Connie. Claims non-messenger with PM evidence. Thinks a Quinn-Illwei elim team would be fun. Notes that Kings is somewhat paying attention while being inactive. Agrees that in some cases chaos is unwanted by Elims due to scrambling to change things. BUT claiming elim isn't one of those. Counters Illwei's accusations of being wishywashy because D1-2, thinks Ash is acting like AG Ash. AHHHH BIG POST, sus of Illwei and Bard, then Kings and Ash, votes Illwei.

Illwei:

  • D1: Think's Mat's "use it well" is strange, wonders about Quinn's assumption. Notes 'Kwinny' is not being chaotic and votes her, Edits to say she's waiting for rule speculation from Gears and Friends. Changes vote from Kwinny to Quinn. Wants to save tinfoiling for later. Notes that it's only been an hour. Proposes that D1 be entirely RNG. Notes that 4 of a role is a quarter of the player list and thinks Dannex is guessing too many roles, Terms of Service. Votes DeTess, thinks Brig is unlikely to be a target (nope), agrees Aviar Holder is low target. Doesn't like Dannex's vote on Bard but reads it as a village vote, votes Reading. Again states that 4 Docs would be unlikely in response to TUO. Notes that Aviar != Thug, finds underlined part of Liranil's post and thinks it's an attempt to seem village. Tries to find Vanilla!Dannex. Thinks Dannex was a Mistborn in LG72 ( -.- ), wonders if Dannex and TUO think it's Role Madness. Claims more PM-spidery than Quinn, solo doc solo doc pun. Notes opinions can change in games, gives village points to... TUO. Notes that it's easier to poke holes in others' arguments. Votes Matrim for... an Elimmy mindset, if A thinks there's 4 docs and B thinks there's 4 docs why would A discredit B. Clarification: why contradict someone that arrives to your conclusion with wrong reasoning. Found some reason to remove vote on Mat and votes on Reading. Moves vote from Reading to Liranil, doesn't like reasoning on TUO. Unvotes Liranil. Votes Matrim because part of her wants to...
  • D2: Wonders why brig was sabotaged, lists a few things that felt off to her including Mat's "use it well", Dannex's suspicion of Bard, Quinn being scared of two votes, Mat's... whatever that was above; votes Mat. Wonders if there's only one of each role. Thinks the likely kill group to be Ash/Gears/Archer/Illwei/TJ. States her suspicion of Mat is mostly meta? Back and forth... Notes that if Archer was killed to hide something the Elims would likely have sabotaged hospital to stop him from sharing. Notes Liranil put one mostly-inactive as Elim and one as null. Votes Liranil. Doesn't really like the emphasis on non-self-preservation voting, then countervotes Matrim. Is somewhat tired. Wallpost, thinks Quinn/Liranil e/v, votes Quinn. Hard disagree with Dannex that they should tie it. Doesn't like how low resistance the BrightEyes exe has. Thinks BE is more a counter to Quinn.
  • D3: Votes Quinn and Ash in the same post... I'm not sure here. Worried about possibly tunneling into Quinn. Agrees Quinn-Illwei Elims would be fun. Thinks that claiming Elim is NAI and that to some degree chaos is unwanted by the Elims. Says claiming Elim can be fun. Notes claiming Elim != Third Eliming. Joke about the elim doc. People missed joke. Votes Quinn. Felt like Quinn has a different attitude and flipflopped on Liranil. Would be fine killing Quinn, Gears, Ash, Matrim, maybe inactives. Still thinks Quinn's reads are wishy-washy, sus of me (is Illwei still voting me I can't remember)

Liranil:

  • D1: Notes presence but not much else. Seconds Illwei's confusion of the Dannex vote (odd but villagey vote), notes they've missed posts as well, states they don't like random voting but also don't need to tiebreak, pokes Kings. Think's TUO's vote is unrelated to them and unvotes Kings. Notes Mat and TUO disagreed. Votes TUO in self-pres.
  • D2: Has some suspicions, asks Mat for reasons for Liranil-Quinn e/e. Reads, sorted by post order?, sus of Mat and a few others, only read TJ village. Gives more reasonings, officially votes Matrim. Wallpost and removes vote from Matrim. Votes Brighteyes. Wonders if they're off because not much resistance to Brighteyes/Quinn.
  • D3: Had PM with TJ, not a lot that happened.

Dannex:

  • D1: Feels good to be back after [REDACTED I'M SORRY I DIDN'T KNOW], guessed role distribution: 2-4 Docs with one Elim Doc, 1-2 Trappers with 0 Elim, 1 Security Officer with 0 Elim, 3-4 Aviar Holders with one Elim Holder, no guess for Biologists, 2-3 Bookkeepers with 1 Elim, states confusion about Messengers, predicts 4 person Elim team with Aviar / Doc / Book / Vanilla. Notes there could be an Elim!Biologist. Notes Aviar Holders != extra lives so less likely for an Elim!Aviar but still possible, Town of Salem. Votes Young Bard for missing Archer's post on a fairly large post, would not be surprised by Archer-Bard e/e. Mildly suspicious that TUO's analysis mirrors his, jokingly wonders if Mat and Bard are e/e (?). Notes 1-2 Docs in a Doc doesn't make much sense. XD. 
  • D2: Wonders if the inactive Orlok is a Doc (nope), expresses surprise that TUO didn't go to Hospital. Contests that he's fixated with Bard and reads them null now that Archer is dead. Thinks most of the Elims are lying low.
  • D3: Votes Connie. Says there's not real reason for a Villager to claim Elim.

Gears:

  • D1: Ohhhh this will be loooong; thinks likely Sabotage priority order to be Hospital> Office> Brig> Lab> Mess> Trapper> Holding Area (close to what we see); some role analysis, recursion. ... I think I missed a post here. 
  • D2: Examination of Archer, believes they were killed for lack of info. Believes 1-2 of each role, wants more reasoning.
  • D3: Claims not Doctor, more recursion and post analysis.

Young Bard:

  • D1: Notes that this wasn't exactly his ruleset, pokes inactive!Archer (who had one prior post), suspects any role is fair game for the Elims besides probably Trapper or Aviar Holder, thinks Sabatoge priority order to be Lab=Brig> Hospital=Office=Trapper> Mess>Aviar. Shifts vote from Archer to Random Bystander. Thinks they wouldn't try and distance from Archer in that way, sus of Quinn for vote swapping but could also see it as chaotic, votes TUO for odd reaction and possible TUO/Liranil e/e. 
  • D2: Had hoped that there would be more analysis done by others, trust Mat but not really the other 3 speakerpeople, votes Quinn.
  • D3: 

Random Bystander:

  • D1: Notes presence. Missed Bard's vote on them.
  • D2: Notes Archer could have been Trapper!Killed.
  • D3: States "Dang it! We lost 2 more." Votes Kings_Way.

Kings_Way:

  • D1: Notes presence. Post but no substance (notes Reading is inactive).
  • D2: Nothing.
  • D3: Notes that Orlok shifted off.

Shard of Reading:

  • D1: Notes presence, doesn't think TUO and Dannex are e/e.
  • D2: Nothing.
  • D3: 

Connie:

  • D2: Orlok desires a pinch hitter.
  • D3: Claims elim (huh), says hello. Likes pinch hitting. "Doesn't lie, is only sarcastic." Back and forth with Quinn. Votes self after Quinn votes her. Banter, unvotes self. Votes Random Bystander.

 

Okay I can't shorten wallposts into sentences and stay sane so I'll leave it here. Posting actual results later after I give my eyes a break, but underlines give some idea. I trust Mat and that's about it. And that's a lot of average-one-post-a-cycle people.


... I have no idea if that helped me at all, but I've gone through the thread so I'm out of excuses :P

Posted (edited)

 

15 minutes ago, Illwei said:

You don't address why you think it's interesting? you just say it is, because it is. that's...not an answer???

That's... not the question you asked? You asked me why I didn't address the Ash/Liranil/Matrim thing on its own. 

To clarify, I find it interesting because A. there are only two of you, not three, so that's easy enough to analyze and B. both of your votes the previous cycle were odd too (imo that is). Sorry if I didn't make that clearer. 

15 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Where did you address this?

In this post. You only acknowledged the last thing I said, and not the rest of it.

15 minutes ago, Illwei said:

1) the train on him was started by striker, An Elim
2) at least my vote had nothing to do with that? it's that there was v/e between you two because something felt fake, and i misinterpreted that as him. Nothing to do with inactivity/not helping, because he did analysis in that game.

1) yes and there were four other people voting on him, three of them vil. Besides, I guess my point is that he did act that way in QF50, even if it wasn't why he was exed.
2) This isn't actually relevant to anything so idk why I'm responding to it but the cycle ended in a v/v tie?

15 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Suspicions have to start somewhere, so the fact that you're just like "where did this suspicion come from, huh?" is like ??? to me because >..I read the thread, and then was like, Ash kinda suspicious here. And that's where suspicions come from :P.

: P k so I'm gonna assume you talked about it with TJ but I definitely never saw anything about Ash. Ever. And yeah, my point is that suspicions have to come from somewhere, and yours on Ash doesn't seem to have from what we mere mortals can see in the thread. Actually, I'm curious about your suspicion on Gears too?

15 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Yeah I sussed you for having him in your Elim reads, but that was legit like a few hours ago, no? and it was wishy washy reasoning. and. all. your. reads. I'm not the one fixating on the Ash read, you are. all of your reads were flimsy, Ash was just your only Elim read.

You mentioned Ash by name and no one else (in that post that I was responding to with the post I linked to). That's why I'm fixating on him. : P And, cool, all my reads are flimsy. I still intend to vote someone, since I can't imagine anyone else's reads are all that much better than mine--except for the elims, we're all working off the same source material.

...also isn't it kind of a contradiction to inform me that all my reads are flimsy and then tell me I should have voted on my (wishy washy) elim read at the start of the cycle, all in the same breath?

I know Ash and Mat have posted since I started writing this so I'll edit in responses if I think they're necessary ig

Edit: @Ashbringer can you explain to my why everyone thinks that I was being serious in my response to Mat's vote on me halfway through C1? Since apparently this hasn't been obvious to anyone, allow me to clarify: the :) next to me saying I was going to die was supposed to indicate that I happen to be aware that votes usually shift dramatically between 24 hours into C1/D1 and the end of C1/D1 (unless it's a QF ig?) and that I was not overly concerned about having the most votes, especially since one of them was a joke vote that I'd put on myself? I mean. How is that not clear to everyone. Further, my vote on Bard was never intended to stay there--it was just me moving my joke-vote off of myself in a way that created a temporary tie.

So can we please just drop that? I was literally not being serious in any of that post. And yet people keep bringing it up over and over and over again.

Also yes I've since realized that I did vote on Bard but at the time that I said Bard must have been thinking of Mat, I genuinely didn't remember that I had voted on Bard too, because it was a joke.

 

Edited by Quintessential
Posted
Just now, Quintessential said:

1) yes and there were four other people voting on him, three of them vil. Besides, I guess my point is that he did act that way in QF50, even if it wasn't why he was exed.

My point is that he didn't act that way- he did things. I will go back- no I won't :P. I implore you to go back and look. he didn't :P.

1 minute ago, Quintessential said:

2) This isn't actually relevant to anything so idk why I'm responding to it but the cycle ended in a v/v tie?

you/ash e/v because how much you were tying yourself to him that game. Not v/e votes.

2 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

: P k so I'm gonna assume you talked about it with TJ but I definitely never saw anything about Ash. Ever. And yeah, my point is that suspicions have to come from somewhere, and yours on Ash doesn't seem to have from what we mere mortals can see in the thread. Actually, I'm curious about your suspicion on Gears too?

He's done two analysis of the same thing, and not really anything else. You could make the argument that he would be more active as an Elim but there's nothing to back that up with, and lurking benefits the elims more as long as they're not called out for lurking.

4 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

...also isn't it kind of a contradiction to inform me that all my reads are flimsy and then tell me I should have voted on my (wishy washy) elim read at the start of the cycle, all in the same breath?

:headdesk:

No, no it's not, because I'd like to see something. If you have hedgy reads but are willing to put your vote behind them, that's one thing. You had a mild elim read on Ash- a pretty solid Elim read, and yet you didn't vote on him. hedgy + not voting on top suspicion is like... why? you voted on Kings, who you had as null. I can see a world in which there's an Ash/Quinn/Kings team, you voting on Kings for distancing because you're worried of something. Idk. I'm not fully here. hope that answered your question.

Posted
Just now, Illwei said:

No, no it's not, because I'd like to see something. If you have hedgy reads but are willing to put your vote behind them, that's one thing.

*cough* QF49 *cough*

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

You had a mild elim read on Ash- a pretty solid Elim read, and yet you didn't vote on him.

...okay please make up your mind, was my read on him wishy washy or was it pretty solid? I will say that I don't think it was (or even still is) at all solid. I don't know where you got that impression. I listed him as null elim, not even mild.

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

you voted on Kings, who you had as null.

I had Kings as null because when I composted that reads list, they had done exactly nothing to distinguish themself. I've never played a game where Kings has been active, so that didn't feel off to me. I'm voting on them now because as of this cycle, they've demonstrated that they've been paying more attention than their participation would otherwise suggest.

Posted
39 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

Edit: @Ashbringer can you explain to my why everyone thinks that I was being serious in my response to Mat's vote on me halfway through C1? Since apparently this hasn't been obvious to anyone, allow me to clarify: the :) next to me saying I was going to die was supposed to indicate that I happen to be aware that votes usually shift dramatically between 24 hours into C1/D1 and the end of C1/D1 (unless it's a QF ig?) and that I was not overly concerned about having the most votes, especially since one of them was a joke vote that I'd put on myself? I mean. How is that not clear to everyone. Further, my vote on Bard was never intended to stay there--it was just me moving my joke-vote off of myself in a way that created a temporary tie.

So can we please just drop that? I was literally not being serious in any of that post. And yet people keep bringing it up over and over and over again.

Also yes I've since realized that I did vote on Bard but at the time that I said Bard must have been thinking of Mat, I genuinely didn't remember that I had voted on Bard too, because it was a joke.

I'm... quite bad at telling people are joking. See all the "back and forth" that I had to condense posts into; I can't tell if people are serious so I just eh leave it. But that was drawn attention to, and still felt... like an odd joke. I'm not really a big fan of all the joke-votes-on-selves either, because I don't know what to make of it.

But, fair enough.

Also... I may have to drop out for a pinch hitter. Not sure yet. On one hand my busyness is being a problem, and something else just came up that may be something bigger... I don't know. I'll PM Straw if I need to fully step out.

Posted
50 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

...okay please make up your mind, was my read on him wishy washy or was it pretty solid? I will say that I don't think it was (or even still is) at all solid. I don't know where you got that impression. I listed him as null elim, not even mild.

by solid i mean i see red color it was red therefore solid

also definitely thought that you had him down as mild glas i didn't say that that woulda been wonderfully embarrassing :P.

52 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

*cough* QF49 *cough*

??? Also I'm not going to trust your self-meta here.

53 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

I had Kings as null because when I composted that reads list, they had done exactly nothing to distinguish themself. I've never played a game where Kings has been active, so that didn't feel off to me. I'm voting on them now because as of this cycle, they've demonstrated that they've been paying more attention than their participation would otherwise suggest.

This feels like the last game, where people were voting on me because they thought other people were scummy, and then teammates with me :)))).

Posted (edited)

Mist says she's willing to pinch-hit if need be.

Edit: No she can't, I've told her all my strategies.

Edited by Condensation
Posted
Just now, Dannex said:

I am in favor of condensing, but I’m not really sus of Illwei.

And you're somehow more sus of Connie?

Posted
4 minutes ago, Dannex said:

I am in favor of condensing, but I’m not really sus of Illwei.

Hah.

I understand if you feel like you want to keep a sort of protest vote on Connie, but I don't think she's an Elim here.

Posted
4 minutes ago, Dannex said:

I am in favor of condensing, but I’m not really sus of Illwei.

I'm not either. I'm not changing my vote to vote for someone who I'm not suspicious of. Even if that person will probably be lynched anyway. That just doesn't make sense to me.

Posted
1 minute ago, Random Bystander said:

I'm not either. I'm not changing my vote to vote for someone who I'm not suspicious of. Even if that person will probably be lynched anyway. That just doesn't make sense to me.

I mean, I suppose that's fair. Normally I'd argue that the elims could vote-manip to change the result but there's no vote-manip in this game so that's not a concern : P

Posted
10 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

Current VC, because why not : P

Quinn (1): Illwei
Connie (1): Dannex
Kings (1): Random
Illwei (2): Matrim, Quinn
Random (1): Connie

So uh... can we condense a bit? @Dannex@Random Bystander@Condensation would any of you consider moving your votes to Illwei? 

Hmm... I RNGed and it said no. I got two. Sorry.

Also, nice word choice.

3 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I understand if you feel like you want to keep a sort of protest vote on Connie, but I don't think she's an Elim here.

:(

Maybe I should claim elim more often, if it convinces everyone I'm village. ;)

Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, Condensation said:

Maybe I should claim elim more often, if it convinces everyone I'm village. ;)

You've never said that you're an elim explicitly, you've just said "I'm claiming Elim". Honestly I think you're in Troll mode so I'm just mostly ignoring you rn :P.

5 minutes ago, Quintessential said:

I mean, I suppose that's fair. Normally I'd argue that the elims could vote-manip to change the result but there's no vote-manip in this game so that's not a concern : P

So why even bring up the point then?

@Shard of Reading I see you lurking there :P.

Edited by Illwei
Posted

I’m... yeah. I’m gonna have to drop out of this one. My eye does not like looking at anything like a screen right now and I’d prefer to just give myself a break than try to get out a post a day here. Plus it’s only C3 so I don’t think it will break too much. I’ll stay through the LG for now but who knows.

So... @Straw, can I get a pinch hitter to take my spot?

Posted
1 minute ago, Illwei said:

You've never said that you're an elim explicitly, you've just said "I'm claiming Elim". Honestly I think you're in Troll mode so I'm just mostly ignoring you rn :P.

Yeah, I am kind of in Troll mode. Sorry 'bout that.

And that is an elim claim in itself, is it not?

Posted
2 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

I’m... yeah. I’m gonna have to drop out of this one. My eye does not like looking at anything like a screen right now and I’d prefer to just give myself a break than try to get out a post a day here. Plus it’s only C3 so I don’t think it will break too much. I’ll stay through the LG for now but who knows.

So... @Straw, can I get a pinch hitter to take my spot?

:/

Hope you're okay?

Posted
4 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

I’m... yeah. I’m gonna have to drop out of this one. My eye does not like looking at anything like a screen right now and I’d prefer to just give myself a break than try to get out a post a day here. Plus it’s only C3 so I don’t think it will break too much. I’ll stay through the LG for now but who knows.

So... @Straw, can I get a pinch hitter to take my spot?

:( Hope you're okay! Good luck with life, that always should come first.

Posted
11 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

I’m... yeah. I’m gonna have to drop out of this one. My eye does not like looking at anything like a screen right now and I’d prefer to just give myself a break than try to get out a post a day here. Plus it’s only C3 so I don’t think it will break too much. I’ll stay through the LG for now but who knows.

So... @Straw, can I get a pinch hitter to take my spot?

Okay, I'll find a pinch hitter.

Posted

I’m okay-ish. This isn’t... new, exactly, so I know how to deal with it / treat it but I’m fairly certain staring at a phone/laptop for hours and hours a day makes it worse. And if it gets worse I won’t be able to post here to sign out for a few days anyway.

Thanks everyone!

(Searches for correct emoji for mixed feelings) (Fails utterly) 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Posted
8 minutes ago, Condensation said:

*waves*

So, Random, got any reason why I should take my RNGed vote off of you? I'll still listen to reason.

Because I'm reading them as vil :P 

Posted
Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

Because I'm reading them as vil :P 

Yeah, well, I'm reading everyone so far as village. Guess I might be the only elim. Does that mean I'm the one making the doc go crazy? Maybe. Probably.

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