Halyo_Alex he/him Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, KSub said: I wonder if Lift could get supercharged by eating gems wait, yeah, what if she ate a stormlight-filled gemstone? Would it turn into Lifelight?
BenduLuke he/him Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 7 hours ago, Szmit said: You can not create gemstones with Soulcasting. You can create Aluminium with Soulcasting, but you can not Soulcast it into something else. Their situation is very much different. I'm pretty sure that Shallan used gems as focus points for illusions to make them hold longer. Many actual gems have aluminum as one of the main elements. That could also be why they are difficult if not impossible to create or change. 1 hour ago, Halyo_Alex said: wait, yeah, what if she ate a stormlight-filled gemstone? Would it turn into Lifelight? Is Lyft immune to anti-stormlight? Lyft if she saw an allomancer eating metal might be able to get investiture from metal as well? Not sure we will ever know because Lyft might think eating gems is gross. After all she didn't like all 9 varieties of pancakes, and I don't think gemstones taste good. I could be wrong. 1
KSub Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, BenduLuke said: Many actual gems have aluminum as one of the main elements. That could also be why they are difficult if not impossible to create or change. Is Lyft immune to anti-stormlight? Lyft if she saw an allomancer eating metal might be able to get investiture from metal as well? Not sure we will ever know because Lyft might think eating gems is gross. After all she didn't like all 9 varieties of pancakes, and I don't think gemstones taste good. I could be wrong. Who doesn't like pancakes? Except that tenth kind. Esoteric tastes awful. I honestly have no idea what would happen if Lift ate metal. She might convert anything she eats into investiture. I don't think she could 'burn' the metals the way allomancers do since each metal is keyed to a specific ability. Lift is weird, as Brandon would say. 1
LewsTherinTelescope Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 A relevant WoB: Quote Ted Herman (paraphrased) Can Lift convert cremling shells to Investiture? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) She can only convert what she is able to metabolize for nutrients to Investiture. Arcanum Unbounded Hoboken signing (Dec. 3, 2016) 2
+Oltux72 he/him Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 Rosharans, especially artibabrians, have been dealing with gems for millenia. Their tool set is likely to reflect that.
LewsTherinTelescope Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/28/2021 at 5:40 PM, AquaRegia said: It seems they CAN'T be the same things we think of when we say the words "diamond", "ruby" or "sapphire". They are really gemhearts, of course, grown inside native Rosharan animals. Their chemical composition is unknown. Relevant, I feel: Quote PhantomMonstrosity (paraphrased) Do synthetic gemstones work in fabrials too? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Synthetic gemstones should work. It's a combination of color and chemical structure that's important. Just like metals from off Scadrial would work for an Allomancer, synthetic gemstones should work. Steel Ministry report (Aug. 20, 2014) Quote Songstream Q1: Can synthetic diamond contain Stormlight? Q2: if yes, can a perfect gemstone that never loses Stormlight be made of synthetic material? Q3: Has anyone already tried bringing synthetic diamond to Roshar at this point? [...] Brandon Sanderson Answer to one is yes. Answer to two is, "Never is a LONG time." Three is not yet. [...] VergenceScatter Do diamonds have to be clear to hold Investiture, or can they be of any color? Brandon Sanderson On Roshar, part of the definition of a diamond would be that it's clear. Rhythm of War Preview Q&As (Oct. 1, 2020) 1
AquaRegia he/him Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 I'm a chemist, so I want answers that match my understanding of solid state geochemistry. But at this point, I'm willing to accept that we've reached (or passed) the limits of Brandon's scientific expertise, and simply agree that it's a fantasy series, not requiring rigorous "real-world" scientific realism. 2
KSub Posted February 4, 2021 Posted February 4, 2021 On 31/01/2021 at 2:11 PM, AquaRegia said: I'm a chemist, so I want answers that match my understanding of solid state geochemistry. But at this point, I'm willing to accept that we've reached (or passed) the limits of Brandon's scientific expertise, and simply agree that it's a fantasy series, not requiring rigorous "real-world" scientific realism. I don't know about solid state geochemistry but I thought the idea that stormlight replaces bonds within the crystal lattice was sciencey enough?
mathiau he/him Posted February 4, 2021 Posted February 4, 2021 Just now, KSub said: I don't know about solid state geochemistry but I thought the idea that stormlight replaces bonds within the crystal lattice was sciencey enough? Replace makes no sense. Weaken would work thought
Guest Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 Just had a possible eureka moment. We know that Stormlight, Voidlight, and presumably all (gaseous) investiture have a rhythm, that this rhythm can be both heard and felt (Navani's arm thingy), and that they respond to vibrations (tuning forks and singing). Could the presence of Stormlight as the gemstone forms be resonating the entire structure in such a way that it both encourages the formation of flaws AND weakens the crystal structure in some way? Also, the withdrawing of Stormlight could be like "turning up the volume" of the resonance, like a (earth) singer shattering a glass?
Szmit Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 25 minutes ago, LabRat said: Just had a possible eureka moment. We know that Stormlight, Voidlight, and presumably all (gaseous) investiture have a rhythm, that this rhythm can be both heard and felt (Navani's arm thingy), and that they respond to vibrations (tuning forks and singing). Could the presence of Stormlight as the gemstone forms be resonating the entire structure in such a way that it both encourages the formation of flaws AND weakens the crystal structure in some way? Also, the withdrawing of Stormlight could be like "turning up the volume" of the resonance, like a (earth) singer shattering a glass? I think that this is too deep to be probable, considering that we don't even know if gems are indeed weaker. If we knew for a fact that gems are weaker, and Sanderson needed them to be weaker for some reason, I could accept this theory as probable, but with our current state of knowledge, I think it uses too many levels of depth to be accurate.
BenduLuke he/him Posted February 27, 2021 Posted February 27, 2021 As i think about it I don't think it is the gem stones that get cracked and broken. Instead it is the glass spheres they are encased in.
AquaRegia he/him Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 20 hours ago, BenduLuke said: As i think about it I don't think it is the gem stones that get cracked and broken. Instead it is the glass spheres they are encased in. The scenes we have been discussing - Szeth breaking the gems containing Sja-Anat's children and Navani's research, for example - explicitly describe GEMSTONES, not spheres.
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